Talk:Mary Renault

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Demosthenes

I've corrected an obvious error in the new paragraph about Demosthenes (Renault couldn't read Greek – see her entry in the old DNB) and have re-punctuated what appears to be a quotation. This needs to be checked and a source added. Wilus 13:21, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Speaking of that, do her "theories" about Demosthenes' relations with Philip and Alexander appear in her non-fiction or only in The Fire from Heaven? If the latter, they're not theories she proposed, but an imaginative recreation that she may have believed was consistent with Demosthenes' character but not necessarily true. —JerryFriedman 20:34, 27 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Seems like there's a bit too much about Demosthenes in this article--he's a minor character in one of her books, when the major characters (real and fictional) of most of her books aren't even mentioned. Nareek 05:44, 3 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Demosthenes seems to have crept back in, as has the incorrect assertion that Renault read him in the original. I've deleted both. If you want to write about Renault and Demosthenes, please provide references and get your facts right. Wilus (talk) 10:28, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Quintus Curtius Rufus

Does anyone want to weigh in on the problem at Quintus Curtius Rufus? It's a conflict that started out as a revert war and has moved anywhere since--we need more input. Nareek 14:17, 5 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The Renault name

Mary adopted the name Renault when she published her first book, apparently to keep her identity secret from her nursing employers. I have heard from more than one reasonable source that she pronounced the name "renolt", not in the French fashion, and would like some input on this from someone who knows her history better than I do. (Passing reader, 5 July 2006.)

Not that I know her better, but I actually came to this page to see whether they had a pronunciation here because I have heard it is pronounced "Renalt" too. → JARED ^(t) 01:47, 15 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It is pronounced 'Ren-olt.' I added and cited this, but I don't know how to convert it to IPA. —Cel ithemis 02:23, 15 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Renault biography

Hello everyone. I hope this is the right place to explain my addition. I recently read the Theseus novels following glowing reccomendations, and was shocked at the veiled contempt shown by the author towards women in general. I am not so ahistorical as to suppose a partiarchal ruler from Ancient Greece would not regard women as second class citizens, see them as 'war prizes' etc or that Renault wouldn't reflect the sexist views of her times; still, Theseus' attitude seems to go beyond that into brutality and even a sort of disgust and I began to think that while Theseus is supposed to be 'a man for women' these views expressed the author's own. I did some research on Renault (reading the David Sweetman book, Caroline Heilbrun's, etc) and found that my suspicions were correct and she did admit to despising women. I felt quite degraded after reading these books and feel that because Renault was a woman writer who acquired such a reputation amongst the gay community this defect has gone undetected. I have accordingly added a couple of sentences to her biograhy mentioning her hostility to women. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jessica Holsgrove (talk • contribs) 10:43, 22 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Please add the references for your additions see WP:CITE. Wikipedia aims for the presentation of a neutral point of view - that is to say not loaded or taking a partisan perspective. It also requires no original research, which means that secondary sources are cited rather than personal opinion. It sounds like it would be useful to add Sweetman and Helibrun's perspectives with refs. Other scholars of Renault's work might strongly disagree with their critique. Best wishes Span (talk) 12:10, 22 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Span, I have added page numbers. I would be delighted if only other scholars of Renault's work did put forward arguments that she strongly admired women!

Jessica Holsgrove (talk) 15:42, 11 February 2011 (UTC) Jessica Holsgrove (talk) 15:41, 11 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]