Talk:Born This Way (song)/Archive 1

leave page

plz leave this page the way it is I will update it regularly

No, it's not notable at this time. –anemoneprojectors– 20:42, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

will I create it next week as it comes out Sunday 13 February —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.40.154.60 (talk) 17:56, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

It'll be created when it's charted (or notable for some other reason), not when it's released. –anemoneprojectors– 20:22, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Its notability is its level of hype even pre-release! It's getting a Glee episode, it had an Ellen parody, it's talked about all over the news as if it were an upcoming film by a good director (blech).~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 14:16, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Redirect

I don't want to just redirect the page with no discussion. It is not notable per WP:NSONGS or even hardly WP:GNG. Choose redirect or keep below and why. --ĈÞЯİŒ 1ооо 23:50, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

I don't see the point, seeing that the song is being released next week, as well as radio adds. This will only lead to further work on our part, as after 2/13 it will invariably be created. If, this would have been released in May or April, I would have personally redirected it. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 03:31, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

True. I have seen "future notability" win many AfD discussions. --ĈÞЯİŒ 1ооо 04:01, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

There was page blanking vandalism and I have undone. The anon has a long history of vandalism so I blocked. I can't understand how anyone that can say that this isn't notable with VERY reliable sources like MTV being cited from articles directly talking about this song and its controversial video. It's not like there's a chance that this article will ever be deleted in a deletion discussion. Royalbroil 05:24, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks a lot Royalbroil, truly appreciated. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 07:02, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Single Cover Art

The official single artwork has been released by Lady Gaga via Twitter, but I'm not sure how to upload it without violating a rule or term. Can someone help me out with this? Jpagan09 (talk) 19:35, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Date

The date for the uk release is it friday the 11th or saturday the 13th? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tom54430 (talk • contribs) 15:45, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

iTunes Release

http://www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/industry/record-labels/will-next-week-bring-the-billboard-hot-100-1005030472.story

This says that Born will be released on the 11th three hours after radio add. Should it be add ed to release history? Microwave09 (talk) 05:36, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Not to the release history but perhaps to the background section? — Lil_℧niquℇ №1 ^[talk] 05:39, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Should we add that the song broke the itunes record? It was the fastest to number one... breaking Taylor Swift's "Mine". — Preceding unsigned comment added by GagaLittleMonster (talk • contribs) 18:59, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Reviews

Reviews have been amazing. Rolling Stone gave the song 4 stars, saying that it is an instant-classic club http://www.rollingstone.com/music/songreviews/born-this-way-20110211

Mtv gave a possitive review as well, saying "Fun, empowering and over-the-top. Those are the first adjectives that come to mind upon hearing Lady Gaga's "Born This Way." Between Gaga's empowering lyrics and the music's heavy club influences, the song is set to appease her fans and pop lovers..." http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1657726/lady-gaga-born-this-way.jhtml --West231 (talk) 16:35, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the link West231. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 17:04, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Why "initial reviews"???? Almost every major magazine gave it a positive review (Rolling Stone, The Guardian, Billboard..etc.) I think we should omit "initial"... shouldn't we?--GagaLittleMonster (talk) 17:35, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

No, that's WP:RECENTISM. The song hasn't been out one day. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 17:40, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

I think it should be mentioned that digital spy actually gave the song five stars (out of five). In the same way the article mentions the four stars given by Rolling Stone magazine, this five star critics shoud be mentioned. Look at the reference.[[ http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/music/singlesreviews/a303179/lady-gaga-born-this-way.html] --West231 (talk) 20:19, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Well, great reviews continue to come. This time is Billboard Magazine that gives props to Born This Way: http://www.billboard.com/#/news/single-review-lady-gaga-born-this-way-1005032432.story --West231 (talk) 20:51, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Another great review from NYMAG http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2011/02/lady_gaga_stops_being_smart_on.html , the reception by critics it's amazing. --West231 (talk) 23:01, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Also, Forbes gave the song a great review saying "For real, Born This Way had better be the biggest, best anthem every written—it follows the recipe precisely. An anthem that speaks to every person on the planet..." http://blogs.forbes.com/meghancasserly/2011/02/11/lady-gagas-born-this-way-gay-anthems-and-girl-power/ --West231 (talk) 20:33, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

I hope Wikipedia includes all this reviews in the respective section. If a song deserves credit, credit should be given.--West231 (talk) 23:01, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Please can we mention more reviews... like Forbes for instance?--GagaLittleMonster (talk) 00:19, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

I have changes the reviews section, early reviews have been almost all positive, 8 out of 10 have been positive, with only 2 reviews being negative. That is not mixed. not when the 80% of the reviews are positive. --StephenG (talk) 03:43, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

In response of the Express Yourself comparissons

In response to the comparissons some people have made, Rolling Stone Magazine went to say that even Express Yourself is nothing more than "just Madonna’s knock-off of the Staple Singers’ "Respect Yourself."". The article even say that Born This Way is a better song than Express Yourself. Reference: http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/blogs/pop-life/lady-gagas-born-this-way-much-better-than-express-yourself-20110211 --West231 (talk) 20:25, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Every other mainstream song had it mentioned in their articles if they sound similar to another song. I know it's Lady Gaga, but we shouldn't make even more special exceptions for her. At the end of the day, it's a song, and a lot of people think they're similar. Even the likes of Rolling Stone Magazine have had to comment on it. It's very notable. Ridin' Solo by Jason Derulo sounds like Bittersweet Symphony, and that is mentioned on the article, despite the fact that Bittersweet Syphony sounds like The Last Time by the Rolling Stones.

Infact, if we make this exception for Lady Gaga, we'd have to go and edit the articles of most other RnB and hip hop songs too, to keep it consistent. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.154.239.92 (talk) 21:42, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Audio sample

The audio sample had been removed with an edit summary that stated that WP:NFCC required a composition section. The page does not, but requires contextual significance. If additional discussion is necessary, the file should be nominated for a deletion discussion. Hekerui (talk) 20:54, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Single Breaking Records.

Perez Hilton- Yes, I know, not a reliable source- reported that within 5 hours of the single being released it has already debuted at #1 on itunes in over 20 countries and is breaking Itunes records. This is worth mentioning because there's a screen shot that proves it. http://perezhilton.com/2011-02-11-born-this-way-number-one-in-20-countries-on-itunes-lady-gaga/?feat=yes —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.138.22.141 (talk) 01:55, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Ya, it's true, but we need to wait a reliable source.--NicolásTM (talk) 07:08, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Well.. it's perez and Gaga daily and itunes itself.... anything more reliable?--GagaLittleMonster (talk) 09:44, 12 February 2011 (UTC)