Talk:Joseph Zen

Can someone correct the English in this article. I would but,to be honest, I don't understand it properly —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 212.248.225.148 (talk • contribs) . 12:30, December 22, 2005

Not yet a cardinal?

Joseph Cardinal Zen is already a cardinal. According to the Canon Law of the Roman Catholic Church, he has already been a cardinal once the pope announced his appointment. Can. 351 §2 states that "Cardinals are created by a decree of the Roman Pontiff which is made public in the presence of the college of cardinals. From the moment of the announcement they are bound by the duties and possess the rights defined by law." For further information, please refer to: http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/__P19.HTM — Preceding unsigned comment added by Patrickleungnufc (talk • contribs) 11:28, 26 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I was initially going to post here as to why and then move the page back. However after doing some specific research Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(Western_clergy)#Cardinals it seems that this is the correct title for this person. I was unaware of this particular guideline, but instead I thought that the basic Wikipedia:Naming conventions (people) was inline and that the title should be just "Joseph Zen". But now I see you are correct. -- malo (tlk) (cntrbtns) 16:23, 26 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

According to Can. 351 §2, he is a cardinal as soon as the Pope reads his name to the college of cardinals. The college meets during a consistory, so the cardinalate of bishop Zen becomes effective then, not now. If Zen or Benedict were to die before March 24, Zen would not be a cardinal, because he's not one yet. In the announcement from the vatican, the pope specifically nominates the fifteen new cardinals, who will be elevated in the consistory of March 24, and have been invited to concelebrate thier first mass as a cardinal with the pontiff on the 25.Gentgeen 02:17, 27 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Coat of arms

Where can I get an image of Zen's coat of arms? Thank you. — Insta ntnood 21:48, 20 February 2006 (UTC) Biography of Zen User:TonySapphire 10:11, 21 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. — Insta ntnood 09:24, 25 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Too pro-Beijing

I can feel that this article is too pro-Beijing! Should I add the NPOV tag? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pro-democracy (talk • contribs) 05:00, February 25, 2006 (UTC)

May be besides criticisms, someone should add a paragraph talking about his contributions. User:TonySapphire 05:38, 26 February, 2006 (UTC)

Serious Vandalism in the article

Should the administrators semi-protect this article?User:TonySapphire 06:44, 27 February, 2006 (UTC)