Talk:Tupac Shakur

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• Archive 1 (Through December 2005)

Place of Birth

Please provide a source per WP:CITE and WP:V for location. We can discuss reliability of differing reported sources here and determine the best-referenced location. Please do not modify the place of birth until this has been done. No more edit warring between Brooklyn, Bronx, Manhatten please. KillerChihuahua^?!? 12:24, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Suggested: Enter birthplace as Manhatten per the driver's license in the book Tupac: Resurrection and add this to ref:

^ Tupac: Resurrection Atria, 2003 ISBN 0743474341

Some sources place Tupac's birth in the Bronx, while other sources such as IMDB have had both Brooklyn and the Bronx in the past. Most published sources, however, place his birth in Manhattan (Harlem to be precise), as is confirmed on his drivers license in the book Tupac: Resurrection, approved by Afeni Shakur. KillerChihuahua^?!? 12:44, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

I got Brooklyn from the book From Totems to Hip-Hop by Ishmael Reed, [1] who is a pretty well respected source, I believe (I am implying that Jacob Hoye is less respected than Reed). Also note Google's "place of birth" featurette [2]. When I get a chance, I'll look for Hoye's book. I guess I have two questions, one, can you find a picture of a new york driver's license (or any american license) that has a spot for "place of birth" on it and two, can you reference any published source which can be viewed on the internet which places his birth in Harlam (or anywhere outside of Brooklyn and the Bronx). Respectfully, Smmurphy^(Talk) 05:11, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Good point. I found an image of a NY drivers license [3] and just like my Florida one, it has DOB but not place of birth. I will go by the library and see what I can find there (I was planning to double check this anyway), but it will have to wait until after the holidays. I found that ref in the page history, but now that you've brought it up, it sounds very fishy. I guess I wasn't thinking - good catch. It would be nice if the recent move to get Tupac's records released[4] is successful, then we can just look at his birth certificate (I am sure someone will publish it.) KillerChihuahua^?!? 09:05, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Film/Acting career

Per Pinko1977 and Richard Corey, this needs to be researched, expanded, and generally improved. Remember to cite your sources.

Add information

Can someone explain how he died better (Shabbir Bokhari)

WELL BETTER WELL BASICLY ON THE 7TH OF SEPTEMBER 1996 HE WAS FIRED AT 12 TIMES FIVE HIT HIM (12-5=7) THEN 7 DAYS LATER ON FRIDAY THE 13 OF SEPTEMBER HE WAS PRONUNCED DEAD, PEOPLE SAID HE WOULD RETURN IN 2003(7 YEARS AFTER) THEN 2005(2+5=7) NOW FOR SOME REASON PEOPLE ARE SAYIN 2007 MAYBE TO KEEP THE SUSSPISSION ALIVE LOL Bobo6balde66

                          GEO

Second shooting: Wallace

An addition was made to the second shooting: By the time the newspaper made this contention, Wallace himself had been murderd, however Wallace's family and associates have claimed that Wallace was not in Las Vegas on that night and denied that Wallace had anything to do with the incident.

Is there a source for this information? KillerChihuahua^?!? 01:52, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Death

I'd like to see some information focusing on the popular belief that Tupac faked his own death. Yes, it's highly implausible, but it deserves some coverage in this article.

some of that information i've compiled at User:Kingturtle/2Pac. maybe someone could write a short summary in Tupac Shakur and the start an article called Tupac Shakur conspiracy theory. Kingturtle 19:53, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Strongly advise not starting a fork to a conspiracy article. KillerChihuahua^?!? 21:13, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Bad idea, people get angry when they see stuff like this written down. I do not like it, I strongly believe that it is all false. --Taurus8 sam 04:32, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Birth Name Dispute

I just removed this passage "also known as Lesane Parish Crooks" from the introduction, because Pac is not known as Lesane Crooks, not at all. In fact, I haven't seen any authoritative evidence that this was ever his first legal name. If some can point us to a verifiable authoritative source about his birth name, PLEASE do so. Until someone provides this source, we cannot be stating this assertion as fact.--Pinko1977 01:30, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

And before someone brings it up, the Thug Angel DVD booklet and the Before I Wake DVD are NOT authoritative sources. A verifiable source would be information directly from Afeni Shakur or Pac's family/representatives.--Pinko1977 02:29, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Mutulu Shakur

The article states Mutulu was a drug dealer, I'm not sure this was true; Mutulu fashions himself a political prisoner. Are we sure he was a drug dealer? If not I don't think the article should so carelessly state that.

weasel words

Wikipedia:Avoid weasel words Here are some weasel words that are often found in Wikipedia articles:

• "Some people say..."
• "Research has shown..."
• "...is widely regarded as..."
• "It is believed that..."
• "It has been suggested/noticed/decided..."
• "Some people believe..."
• "Many people say..."
• "Critics/Experts say that..."
• "Some historians argue..."
• "Considered by many..."
• "Accusations..."
• "Apparently..."
• "Allegedly..."
• "Serious scholars/scientists/researchers..."
• "Mainstream scholars/scientists/researchers..."
• "The (mainstream) scientific community"

And don't even think about adding an "arguably." That does not factualize a weasely sentence.

"tupac alive" section, etc.

Fixed the text of the Tupac Alive section to meet wikipedia standards. The section needs a lot of formating to make it pretty, but I'm to drunk now to edit responsibly :o.

Also, were 12, 13, or 7 shots fired?? Someone want to clear this up, or add something saying that it's unclear how many were fired?

Birth name STILL Unverified.

To all who assert that Shakur was born "Lesane Parish Crooks," please cite a reputable source attesting to this fact. Until you do, I ask that you stop adding the statement that he was "born Lesane Parish Crooks" to this article. On Wikipedia, if we cannot provide a REPUTABLE source to support an assertion, we CANNOT state it as fact. Please refer to Wikipedia:Verifiability. Thank you everyone.--Pinko1977 19:47, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

FYI - I am contacting the Amaru Entertainment with these and a few other questions that seem to be un-verifiable (what borough was he born in, etc.) I've already contacted the NYC Vital Statistics office and have been given the run-around on obtaining a birth certificate, so this will probably be the best source available. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.117.149.83 (talk • contribs) 20:41, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

If these references are not published in a reliable source per WP:V, they will not be usable. Please familiarize yourself with WP:V, WP:CITE, and related policies if you have any questions. KillerChihuahua^?!? 20:57, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Got it. Afenie Shakur is "not a reliable source" concerning where her son was born, or what his name was at birth. One would think that, with appropriate qualifiers, information about the birthplace of a son would be acceptable from the mother or her representatives and could be used as a reliable source. Would Tupac Shakur's Official Biography, published by the foundation which his mother founded in his name, also not qualify as a reliable source? I've already emailed Miss Shakur's representative and informed them that due to the official Wikipedia policies, as stated in WP:V and WP:CITE, I am no longer interested in her opinion in the matter of where her son was born or what her son's name was at birth.