User talk:Jerry Cornelius

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Metal Thunder 16:46, 19 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

STDs and swingers

Hi. Some of the stuff you have added to the swinging article (on the "Objections" section) seems to me like it would be better placed on the page about STDs or safer sex. I'm not sure that getting into a detailed list of what may or may not be the risks of safe or safer sex is appropriate, as they are not exclusively related to swinging. In fact, some of the risks you mention are not valid to many swingers, but they are valid to those having simple casual sex, for example. If they are important, why only mention them on the swinging page?

How would you feel about taking some of the material to another page and linking there instead? Inkwell 00:37, 25 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Having talked to some members of the sweingers lifestyle, they were the ones who pointed out the risks associated with swinging. Granted they are similr to the risks axxociated with casual sex, However, the risks are significantly greater within the swinging lifestyle. This is primarliy due to the sheer statistical numbers of people invlolved. People having casual sex often have sex with peole who themselves have had a limited number of partners. Where in the swinging lifestyle, you could be having sex with somoene who has had dozens if not hundreds of sex partners, each of whom may also have had a like number of partners. J.C. Feb 27 2006

I have to disagree with your generalisations. There has never been a statistical study that showed that swingers are more at risk than the general population and statistics show that they do not have higher rates of STIs.

A lot of swinging is safer than single casual sex. Not all swingers go in for "full swap": many keep penetration or even all fluid-swapping activity to their partner, so the risks are quite low. "Full swap" is actually quite rare, and that is where the majority of the risks are.

You've probably guessed by now that I am one of those swingers, and I take issue with your implications of the "sheer statistical numbers of people involved". Not all swingers have group sex every week, or even very often at all. For some it is very often, and for some it's more of an annual holiday, and for others, the activities they indulge in are extremely low risk (kissing, massage, watching, dancing etc). The number of sexual partners I have had over the last five years is much lower than most of my single friends!

In any case, numbers isn't the only factor that contributes to infection - the types of activity and what precautions are taken are much larger factors. Most swingers are risk aware, which makes them safer.

I hold that detailed information about STIs does not really have a place on the Swinging article. A brief note about the risks of STIs and how condoms do not prevent them all is sufficient. There is so much that could be argued on both sides that it would become an article about safe sex, and there already is one elsewhere. Inkwell 17:53, 27 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ihave no objection to it not being part of the Swinging lifestyle article.

As for the swinging lifestyle, my partner has been a part of that scene, and although I have not been, I have had several times the number of partners she has had without so much as catching a cold. However, she acquired Hep-B, Chlamydia and HPV through her swinging. THe regulartests for cervical cancer leave her quite upset. Her ex is HIV + also acquired through the lifestyle.

Have a nice day.... J. Cornelius Feb 27 2006