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Edits by User:Namiba

User:Namiba, please explain your edits on these two occasions (but particularly the second one) as they do not appear to agree with what you wrote in your edit summaries.

12 March 2011, 8:53 – removal of text recounting the June 2002 massacre of the Shabo family. Your edit summary indicated "cleanup," and indeed some of the changes you made qualify as cleanup; however, you removed the June 2002 paragraph despite its being sourced in the next paragraph. Assuming good faith on your part, I would advise that in the future you indicate in your edit summary something to the effect of "removed unsourced material" and also that you more thoroughly review the sources provided before concluding that nearby material is unsourced.
12 March 2011, 14:20 – removal of text relating to victims' ages. Your edit summary indicated "expansion," and indeed some of the changes you made qualify as expansion; however, your removal of the victims' ages most certainly does not qualify as expansion. Pending a clearer explanation for your edit, the changes you made to the Violence section have been reverted.—Biosketch (talk) 15:06, 12 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Terrorist

Regarding this edit: [1], per WP:LABEL the term is better to be avoided. --ElComandanteChe (talk) 16:12, 12 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

While a valid point, in this case the text in question isn't about an organization or an individual. No identifiable person is being labeled a terrorist but rather the perpetrator of a terrorist act. So I have to question the applicability of WP:LABEL in this instance, though I'm certainly open to other ideas.—Biosketch (talk) 16:35, 12 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It is a value-laden label and the spirit of th guideline would still apply if your reading of it was spot on. However, your reading of it seems off since it says nothing about an identifiable person. Not using "terrorist" but instead something similar to "assailant" would improve NPOV but a fine addition might be putting in something like "The event was described as a terrorist act by x,y, and z." or even "The attacker has been called a terrorist".Cptnono (talk) 05:40, 13 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Do not know yet whether it is a single or multiple attacker(s), or whether or not he/they are part of any terrorist organization (in fact, according to JP, the IDF thinks not because of the weapons used). "Assailant", "attacker" or "murderer" is more appropriate until identity is established. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MizzR (talk • contribs) 08:33, 13 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Per User:Cptnono's reply re WP:LABEL and pending consensus on the matter, I have seen fit to revert 93.172.10.100's change of the text from "assailants" to "arab [sic] terrorists." The Jerusalem Post reference cited by the IP contributor also does not label the attackers "terrorists." It variously uses the expressions "perpetrators," "suspected terrorists," "attackers," "people," and "killers." Only at the end does it use the word "terrorists," but then it is attributed to a Major General in the IDF, not to the Jerusalem Post reporter.—Biosketch (talk) 12:24, 13 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting, very, very interesting

When Israel attacks on Gaza in 2008-2009 resulted in 300+ children dead, no one referred to them as terrorists, yet a Palestinian committing the same exact thing, HE IS ALREADY A TERRORIST .