Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kingdom of Kurdistan

Kingdom of Kurdistan

According to the article two "kingdom of kurdistans" exist.

Both existed for a very brief period of time (one being only two months).
Article has very very little coverage and portrays what appears to be "rebellions" as independent nations.

First choice: delete

Second choice: broken into two articles with a better title

--Cool Cat^Talk|@ 17:35, 1 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding the second choice, what would you have the articles be named? Kingdom of Kurdistan (1922-1924) and Kingdom of Kurdistan (1925) with Kingdom of Kurdistan as a disambiguation page? - FrancisTyers 18:21, 2 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The suggestion is good, only I would recommend teritorial, rather than temporal disambiguation: Kingdom of Kurdistan (Sulaymaniyah) and Kingdom of Kurdistan (Palu), because the time way may misleadingly say that it was one and the same, only at different time periods. Mukadderat 19:24, 2 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I really think perhaps a merge in to History of the Kurds may be better (a recent suggestion below). The two entities did not last 3 years combined, there really inst much, articles cant develop much. I am not trying to delete information, but this "article" can't develop. --Cool Cat^Talk|@ 23:00, 2 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy keep The article is cited and whilst only a stub has the potential for improvement - I would be amenable to a disambiguation page upon completion of two separate articles, but I think for the time being that one will do. I will assume good faith, but this nomination does seem suspect, Cool Cat hasn't discussed this on the talk page at all. - FrancisTyers 18:49, 1 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Cited or not this articles real content already exists under history of kurds, stand alone there isnt much to write about as countries did not exist long enough for anything interesting. --Cool Cat^Talk|@ 20:13, 1 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
keep Fad (ix) 21:37, 1 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Heja Helweda 02:10, 2 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep a real historical thing. I expanded it a bit, giving correct names and places, to make further searches easier.Mukadderat 05:44, 2 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Indeed, I am not suggesting it isnt notable however the entities did not last long enought to be article worthy. One "country" lasted 2 months (with no recognition) another only 2 years with british occupation until British decided they didn't want this country. There isn't much else to say about them aside from who their only leader was. History of the Kurds explains the matter and this article alone cant grow beyond a stub. This article could redirect to History of the Kurds. --Cool Cat^Talk|@ 15:40, 2 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  - Please aloow me to respectfully disagree. "History of Kurds" is a big topic, with potentially a very big article. "Kingdom of Kurdistan" is a small but a separate topic. It is in wikipedia tradition to create separate articles by cutting fdrom big ones, not vice versa. The statement "can't grow" is also probably made in polemic haste. I am sure that in due time Allah will guide a Kurdish editor to expand the article. I am not an expert in this historic time and place, so I added only some basic details, but in fact I've already seen much more in the internet. Mukadderat 19:12, 2 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete no need for this poor quality article when History of the Kurds exists and is a high quality article. MLA 09:57, 2 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- I am afraid this opinion is made with poor judgement. History of the Kurds, as good as it is, does not say a single word about the topic you want to delete. And this is reasonable: such a general topic cannot be contained in a single article. History of the Kurds must be a broad overview, with details scattered in subpages. Mukadderat 19:17, 2 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  - My judgement is based on the following: - there exists an article called History of the Kurds and in this article is a section called History_of_the_Kurds#Modern_History_of_the_Kurds with a link to a main article called Modern history of the Kurds which is currently redlinked. The section in question covers the period 1828-present day. There currently isn't any reference to the two items of information in Kingdom of Kurdistan which are an attempt at independence from the British mandate which did not last long and an attempt at independence from Turkey which did not last long. These two pieces of information are part of the modern history of the Kurds and should be referenced there. An article about independence struggles in Kurdistan would have more than just two basic pieces of information and would not be called Kingdom of Kurdistan. There should in my view be an article on the modern history of Kurdistan and at most, the information presented in Kingdom of Kurdistan would be a small section within that. MLA 19:32, 2 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    - The key words in your kind reply are "redlinked" and "should", which only confirm my opinion that the nomination for deletion was a bit of misunderstanding. You just don't delete information from wikipedia just because it should be a part of the article which does not exist yet. I am not in a position to evaluate the validity of the term "Kingdom of Kurdistan"; I may understand the position that if someone proclaims himself King, this does not necessarily mean that there is a "Kingdom". But this is a different issue, and again, you just don't delete a correct and significant information from wikipedia. We already have an article about Republic of Mahabad, which was just as shortlived. Mukadderat 22:19, 2 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and let develop. --dcabrilo 18:16, 2 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]