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Penarth is lovely

LOL...Penarth lovely??? The image that immediately springs to my mind after 25 years of being away from the town was the period during the 1970s when some bright wag added graffito to the sign on the edge of town, so that it read ' Welcome to Penarth - the last resort' 21stCenturyGreenstuff (talk) 07:18, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Billybanks?

18 February 2008 I am more than a little stunned by the reference to the (soon to be demolished) 'Billybanks' development being named after its builder's foreman. To my recollection the bank, upon which the 1960s housing block was built, was known locally as the Bilibanks way way before the building was even conceived. My father and grandfather both told me that it was a shortened version of the Bilberry Banks and had been named after the 'Bilberry' (or blueberry) bushes that grew there naturally on the slopes from pre-Victorian times and were annually raided for the berries by local residents to make fruit pies each autumn. I remember as a child standing amoung the bushes with metal bowls, helping my mother and grandmother harvesting the sticky fruit. Are there any older Penarth residents that can confirm this? Or is there any actual written provenence for this rather peculiar and unlikely 'named after foreman William Banks' story? 21stCenturyGreenstuff (talk) 16:21, 19 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Having spoken to several older Penarth residents regarding the 'Billibanks' history over a hundred years or more I have now reverted the incorrect statement that it was called after a builder's foreman called William Banks in recent years.21stCenturyGreenstuff (talk) 17:20, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Cogan Coronation AFC 'Peacock Words'

I have removed several paragraphs of information relating to Cogan Coronation. It was full of 'Point of View', flowery 'peacock words' and unsubstantiated statements, none of which had any references. It was written in a style totally unsuited to wikipedia and would be more suited on the teams own website. 21stCenturyGreenstuff (talk) 17:20, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Old Cogan Church

Old Cogan Church is noted as being "generally believed to be a saxon church". Is this St Peter's? I didn't know the Saxons settled in Penarth. There's no mention of it in the History section - and it's pretty notable. Does anyone have a source for that? I couldn't find anything on Google. Cheers, Daicaregos (talk) 11:15, 22 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I wondered the same thing. I tidied the line up because it was all in bold, but left the wording as it was. Saxon is hard to swallow...Norman would be unsurprising. Needs more investigation and I will have a nose around when I visit Penarth in the New Year. 21stCenturyGreenstuff (talk) 12:58, 22 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I look forward to that. Pretty intriguing stuff, eh? Enjoy the holidays, 'till next year. Daicaregos (talk) 13:51, 22 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Economy section

This whole section as it stands is almost laughably POV, full of random uncited statements and namechecks - even apart from the fact that most of it has precious little to do with 'economy' as it is generally understood.

"Shoppers are finally being lured back to the town centre, but although local politicians of all parties have been keen to claim the credit for this, it is more likely to be due to the application of local traders and a general civic pride."

Completely POV

"A local delicatessen owner, Mrs Sian Fox, won the 2008 Vale businesswoman of the year award."

Well good for Mrs Sian Fox, but is this (unsourced) bit of trivia really encyclopedia-worthy? Will anyone read this in the future and think, wow, I never knew that crucial piece of Penarth information!

"The town centre also serves Penarth's many retired residents with a variety of high quality cafes and coffee houses."

So anyone under the age of 65 daring to venture into one of these high quality establishments is liable to be thrown out in short order?

"...contributing to Penarth being established as a fair trade town after an initiative by previous mayor Councillor Mark Wilson..."
"...the chair, Councillor Mark Wilson, expressed determination to consult with many interested groups..."

Not one but two namechecks for this guy! Kind of makes you wonder who wrote....but hey, let's not go there!

"However, despite town centre improvements, the past thirty years has seen many attractive and imposing seafront Victorian hotels and houses demolished in favour of bland 1960s and 1970s style apartment blocks."

Unsourced POV

"Many of the town's residents and prominent developers have voiced frustration and anger at the apparent neglect of the seafront area and steer much criticism for this at the Conservative-controlled Vale of Glamorgan local authority..."

Unsourced political agenda-pushing

Needs sorting out! Draggleduck (talk) 04:00, 12 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I couldn't agree more, that whole section has always wrankled with me. I have tried searching for valid economy based facts to replace the current content with but have so far failed to find anything germain. There are several anonymous IPs from all political party standpoints that frequently push party lines and attempt point scoring - the most blatent cases of which have been reverted. Hopefully someone with more knowledge and a wider access to cites and references can improve the section. 21st CENTURY GREENSTUFF 08:49, 12 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If it's a vanity project then delete and renew, even if the majority of the work could be referenced it was still not worthy of inclusion. I've pruned the section back heavily. FruitMonkey (talk) 18:12, 12 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Tides at Penarth

I grew up in Penarth and was very pleased to read the entry, telling me several things I was unaware of (like the abandoned Normandy landing barges on dock beach). The quote about Penarth having the second highest tide range in the world is not how I remember it - it was the Bay of Fundy first and Barry Dock (a couple of miles down river) second. I do not have any facts to quote and the citation given is not explicit.Ppeetteerr (talk) 08:29, 1 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]