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Please see non-copyvio at Rachael_Heyhoe-Flint/Temp. -- ALoan (Talk) 12:52, 2 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Temp page moved to main article. RedWolf 07:28, 5 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the move request was: No move Orlady (talk) 04:56, 26 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Rachael Heyhoe Flint → Rachael Heyhoe Flint, Baroness Heyhoe Flint.

Oppose - Known widley as a Cricketer and not as a Peer. Known widely by her untitled name and no disambiguation for the article title is required.--Lucy-marie (talk) 14:54, 1 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Support. WP:NCPEER is quite clear. This peeress is no longer wholly or exclusively known by her pre-peerage nomenclature. Kittybrewster ☎ 15:15, 1 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, this proposed title sounds quite nonsensical and pointless. Again, as with all of these proposed changes (and it's disappointing to see Kitty making these kinds of moves unilaterally knowing them to be controversial, without proposing them first), if WP:NCPEER is telling us to do them like this, it simply shows that there's something wrong with WP:NCPEER, it doesn't carry any weight as an argument.--Kotniski (talk) 16:25, 1 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose in the strongest possible terms for consistency in naming per policy and guidelines like WP:COMMONNAME, WP:TITLE, WP:D and WP:PRECISION that apply to all Wikipedia article titles. The subject is most commonly known by the current title; adding peerage information is additional precision that is completely unnecessary, all good reasons to ignore WP:NCPEER. --Born2cycle (talk) 20:15, 1 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Rachael Heyhoe Flint → Rachael Heyhoe-Flint —

It's with a hyphen Mr. D. E. Mophon (talk) 20:04, 1 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - needs discussion, from 1/27 move summary: surname and peerage title both unhyphenated, according to London Gazette and House of Lords. – ukexpat (talk) 20:51, 1 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I see it, and I'm flabbergasted! According to the London Gazette (the official newspaper for announcing new titles) she received indeed the title Baroness Heyhoe Flint (without the hyphen) by the surname Heyhoe Flint! See: [1]. That's rather bizarre... because double surnames are allways hyphenated in the peerage titles according to protocol! Believe me when I say that I have checked all other titles on Wikipedia, until I stumbled on the site Rachael Heyhoe Flint. As far as I know, she would be rather unique in recent history to be the only one whose double surname is not hyphenated in a peerage title, as far as I know! Did they make an error in the gazette? Concerning her surname: when she received her OBE, her surname is hyphened again in the same London Gazette ("Rachael, Mrs. Heyhoe-Flint")!! See: [2]. Number 10 and the House of Lords also show her surname with a hyphen, see [3] and [4]. What's going on here? Mr. D. E. Mophon (talk) 05:11, 2 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. I suspect it's a mistake in the London Gazette (certainly not uncommon). Andrew Lloyd Webber (without a hyphen) became Lord Lloyd-Webber (with a hyphen) for that very reason - peerage titles are always hyphenated if they include more than one word (unless they're "of Foo"). -- Necrothesp (talk) 22:07, 3 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Interestingly, her name is not hyphenated in Who's Who. The latest edition came out before she was elevated to the peerage, so her title obviously isn't listed, although that by convention should be hyphenated. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:07, 4 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I don't now how trustworthy it is, but according to cricketarchive.com the name of her husband is Derrick Flint; however, the name of her son is Ben G Heyhoe-Flint! Thus also with the double-barrelled and hyphenated surname "Heyhoe-Flint"!! That is rather peculiar, see: [5]. She and her son must have changed their surnames... or is it in the UK possible as child to take the surname of the father and mother combined? Mr. D. E. Mophon (talk) 13:17, 4 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Well, you can call yourself what you like! The name on your birth certificate, however, and therefore your name for official purposes, will be either your father's (usually) or your mother's (usually only if illegitimate and the mother wants nothing to do with the father) surname. The only way to officially change it thereafter is by deed poll. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:04, 4 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]