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Highland Capital has brought an adversary proceeding within the U.S. bankruptcy court, New York, in regard to the Lyondell reorganization, against the securities unit of UBS AG for third-party inferenece with a contract between Highland and Lyondell. (BusinessWeek)
Japan is hit by a magnitude 6.6 aftershock one month after the main earthquake, knocking out power to Fukushima I for nearly an hour. (Washington Post)
British Prime Minister David Cameron is criticised by the University of Oxford for an "incorrect and highly misleading" claim that only one black student was enrolled there in 2009. During a question and answer session on the effect of higher tuition fees on poorer students, Cameron had called the figures "disgraceful". The University says that at least 26 black students started there that year. (BBC)
Oppose. Individual aftershocks are, like all other earthquakes, not ITN material unless they result in lasting effects/impacts. Any article should be redirected to the main article's aftershock section for now. Note that there is an active tsunami warning so the situation might change. Nothing happened in the end, onshore quake so no tsunami, no apparent impact, so sticking to oppose. StrPby (talk) 08:50, 11 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The French ban on face covering is met with severe protests on the first day of its implementation. Women appeared with their faces covered in front of Notre Dame cathedral in Paris. Parisian police arrest 61 including 19 women. Veiled women risk a 150 euro (£133) fine or having to attend special citizenship classes, but not jail. Those who force women to wear a veil are subject to up to a year in prison and a 30,000 euro fine. Although only a small minority of France's five million Muslims wear the veil, many see the ban as a stigma against the country's second biggest religion. The ban affects women who wear the niqab, which has just a slit for the eyes, and the burka which has a mesh screen over the eyes. Refrences:
Support: While the above is obviously an unhelpful, POV comment, what is happening in France is certainly of interest to many elsewhere. HiLo48 (talk) 15:30, 11 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Procedural comment In light of the previous comments I strongly suggest to avoid posting before it has been made clear that the article and the blurb have no WP:NPOV issues. The blurb seems POV, I've not seen any evidence of RS reporting severe protests on the first day of implementation. The 61 arrests were made regarding a protest on Saturday, not today. A neutral blurb like: "The French ban on face covering has entered into force." would be acceptable, but not the proposed one. Cenarium (talk) 15:46, 11 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Early results have shown that the Icelandic people have rejected an offer to repay (over a period of 30 years) the British and Dutch governments 4 billion euros that they paid to guarantee savings lost in the collapse of the Icelandic banking system. This follows the referendum last year where a scheme with a higher level of interest and a shorter repayment period was rejected. Finance Minister Steingrimur Sigfusson has ruled out a third referendum with the matter to be referred to the court of the European Free Trade Association Surveillance Authority. (BBC) Article needs some work and obviously we should wait for final results - Dumelow (talk) 06:27, 10 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support. $4 billion is a big deal, especially for Iceland, and the follow-up to the banking crisis is an interesting context. Thue | talk10:36, 10 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
While referenda are not ITNR a case can be made for this. but id say wait till final results. it looks liek a rejection but nothing is confirmed jus tyet.Lihaas (talk) 12:42, 10 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
This item is good to go. Can I get some help with the blurb? Icelanders reject another proposal to repay guarantees in a referendum? --Tone09:07, 11 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
per HTD "whole results were in but were certified by the authorities " the whole results are NOT in thus it cannot be wholly certified. the page needs the update, so it can be ready to go.Lihaas (talk) 14:29, 11 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Clarification on my comment as Lihaas didn't understand it: In some cases, the authorities declare a winner (in this case announce the result), despite not all ballots being counted. For example, the lead is too wide and the remaining ballots would not overturn the result. –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 15:59, 11 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
While this is an ITNR event, the article has no sources or references for any of its prose. Seems like it's been updated by people who followed the event in an OR style without sourcing. Therefore, unless this issue is rectified, I have to strongly oppose. StrPby (talk) 00:53, 11 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
HJ, of course, is right. It's golf! (A fun game is to look for articles on the sports pages of newspapers, that never name the sport being discussed. They are remarkably common.) HiLo48 (talk) 01:15, 11 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Administrator note Just a point of order, opposes based on the article's quality aren't absolutely necessary, since neither I nor any other admin would post it without issues like sourcing being addressed first. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 02:02, 11 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I find such opposes to be distracting. When it comes time to judge consensus, I have to just assume they'd support the nomination because they don't comment on anything but the article quality. -- tariqabjotu02:09, 11 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I think I've posted a couple opposes due to article quality before, but I now agree with HJ and Tari above – if there are quite a few comments on a nomination, they get really distracting. If the article is later updated, they can create the illusion of no consensus when there really is. Ed[talk][majestic titan]02:15, 11 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think there's anything wrong with pointing out an article is in poor shape, but perhaps we could dissuade people from using the bold oppose for those items. Maybe they could write something like comment article lack references, poor prose, etc. WhiteKongMan (talk) 02:25, 11 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support I've done some referencing work and some cleanup. Not sure if I'll have time to do a lot more but most of the prose is referenced and some details are filled in. RxS (talk) 02:44, 11 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The Egyptian Army initiates a fatal crackdown in Tahrir Square, Cairo, on people protesting that ousted president Hosni Mubarak be prosecuted for corruption. (BBC)
Women's groups protest outside the Oireachtas after police are filmed discussing raping women after their arrest. (The Guardian)
The Police Service of Northern Ireland says that a "sophisticated and substantial" 500lb bomb left in a van under the main Belfast to Dublin road near Newry had the potential to cause huge loss of life and devastation, and may have been destined for a town centre. (BBC)
72-year-old Indian social activist Anna Hazare is to end a four-day hunger strike after the government agrees to his wishes for tougher anti-corruption laws which have gained widespread public support. (BBC)
BBC Seems interesting. The media coverage has been sparse, but it surely is of interest to thousands of potential pilgrims to the site worldwide. A good chance for a history posting as well. An update is needed.--Johnsemlak (talk) 05:07, 10 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Is that the response of the classic Wikipedia editor? The young, male, geek who needs to get a life? Sorry. Some humour is intended there but really, that's a very silly post. I'd suggest a short study of what films are regarded as classics historically, not just this century. HiLo48 (talk) 23:08, 9 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I very much contest your presumption that 12 Angry Men is not notable. What standard do we use for determining death postings on ITN if not something as prestigious as multiple Academy Awards?--WaltCip (talk) 19:57, 9 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
A lot of the movies he directed are now classics. I'd say the quote in the New York Times obituary about why he got his honorary Oscar is apropos: a "consolation prize for a lifetime of neglect." Still, I agree with the others that he's not quite notable enough.--Chaser (talk) 20:51, 9 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
A lot of classic movies that are certainly of note, but his golden age was decades ago and he was in his 80's, so... In the interest of getting more stories, however, weak support. Nightw21:09, 9 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Not groundbreakingly notable. Died at a very old age, so not unexpected. No longer active. Minimal impact on current events. Recent deaths material. --Mkativerata (talk) 23:02, 9 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment To those saying "not notable", how many Academy Award nominations make a director notable? Lumet had four. Does one need five? If not, how many? This is a classic example of a discussion where numbers of comments (voting) must NOT count. All comments that say a person with four Oscar nominations is not notable should be disregarded as being written in ignorance. HiLo48 (talk) 03:09, 10 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
A little clarification on his oscars. Lumet 'won' one Oscar, a lifetime achievement award. He never won the Oscar for best director himself, though he was nominated 4 times. His films have been nominated for about 50 Oscars in total, a notable achievement. His film Network (not 12 Angry Men) won four Academy Awards (actor, actress, supporting actress, and screenplay). Generally, his films were noted for strong acting performances, and garnered many acting awards.--Johnsemlak (talk) 04:22, 10 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support the lifetime achievement award until 2009 was only given to one person a year, and so if we posted every film person who had received that award - and any similar award in India, we would only be posting 2 film deaths a year (as some people are clearly notable enough but haven't won this award - e.g. Elizabeth Taylor) I think we can post this guy (even though I personally haven't heard of him). -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 10:06, 10 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Now that there's an update I'd like to add some more reasons that I think this deserves posting. The film 12 Angry Men, while as I noted did not win Lumet an Oscer for directing, was awarded the Golden Bear at the Berlin Film Festival. It is now widely regarded as a classic. It is #7 at the IMDB all time best films list and has a 100% critics rating at Rotten Tomatoes. It is listed by US critic Roger Ebert as one of the 'great films' (and receives similar praise from other critics). Also, appropriately, it is about a group of 12 men attempting to arrive at a consensus. The film has been remade many times, including an Indian version and a Russian version which won the Golden Lion at Venice. Overall, as noted above, his films earned over 50 Oscar nominations. The Guardian's obituary called him 'one of the most significant film directors of his time, a man dedicated to the cinema as an art form and to the pursuit of truth and social justice as a dramatic theme.'1. Lumet easily qualifies for death criterion #2:The deceased was a very important figure in their field of expertise, and was recognised as such.--Johnsemlak (talk) 11:46, 10 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I would also like to further comment that the New York Mayor, Woody Allen and Martin Scorsese have made tribute after his death. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 12:41, 10 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Marking [Ready?] as the argument above by Johnsemlak is highly persuasive and we judge on consensus not vote counting. I would like an uninvolved administrator to check however. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 12:41, 10 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support very prolific and excellent director with multiple Oscar nominations, last film was released recently (2007). at very apex of his field.--Wikireader41 (talk) 15:37, 10 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support Director of many really iconic films. Highly successful both artistically and commercially, and recognized by his peers as a very notable director. In addition, the articles involved linked are fully formed and mature and are perfect for linking to on the main page. RxS (talk) 15:42, 10 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Given HJ Mitchell's statement saying that the useful comments were 50:50 and that Johnsemlak's comment was persuasive then given the additional two support !votes I think the consensus was clear enough here. Additionally the instructions make it quite clear that the posting admin is supposed to judge consensus anyhow. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 16:21, 10 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
There are certain things that require an involved editor or admin to do, such as closing an AfD discussion. I'm not sure that marking and ITN blurb 'ready', which is just meant to help admins who still must judge consensus, really requires an uninvolved editor.--Johnsemlak (talk) 17:28, 10 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
i only meant for discussions where consensus is not clear. the ready system is useless if admins cant use it to post items that are ready to be posted. which should also mean consensus has been reached. and IMO i dont think an involved editor who supported should decide if consensus is clear... HJ said it needs more discussion and according to Eraserhead Johnsemlak comment was persuasive... not something an involved editor can use to decide on consensus. should be atleast an admin -- Ashish-g5518:16, 10 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The thing was after HJ Mitchell made his comment there were two more good supports from Wikireader41 and RxS, that's why I marked it [Ready]. However I think you have a point, in future I'll mark a similar case [Ready?]. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 22:17, 10 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
pull it. on what reasoning was it posted? mitchell said "basically 50:50-" we hardly have stronfg support for it. what people have already said here is that thsi is too american-centric. if its because of the timer then we have the st francis tomb thats unanimous in support.Lihaas (talk) 18:20, 10 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The arguments against seem to be able to be summarised as 1) I'm young and have only watched movies made in the past 20 years, so I've never heard of this guy, so he cannot be important, and 2) Old people cannot be important. HiLo48 (talk) 21:35, 10 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Consensus is not built by vote counting. Every nomination here is presumed to be "itn material" that comment doesnt constitue any reason to include it.Lihaas (talk) 14:17, 9 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose such attacks are not uncommon unfortunately. If this was in the US it would likely not be nominated ever. death toll is relatively small.--Wikireader41 (talk) 16:32, 9 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support It sounds cynical that "location counts", but this is a unique event in the Netherlands. I have no recollection of any such shooting with multiple deaths outside the criminal environment (let alone with an automatic weapon). L.tak (talk) 18:10, 9 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
... and the 8 pm News, the best viewed News-programme in the Netherlands just spend 17 of its 25 minutes on the issue; so there is at least no doubt on what the impact is inside NL... L.tak (talk) 18:21, 9 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support In my opinion, location does count. Mass shootings are much rarer in Europe than the United States, hence why I would generally support putting up European shootings and not American shootings. In this instance, it's even rarer for an event like this to happen in the Netherlands. Fair amount of casualties, so support. Franklinville (talk) 00:25, 10 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - In response to the "Death toll is small", well what does that have to do with it being ITN worthy. You have to look at the context in which the incident occurs and the amount of subsequent coverage it gains in reliable news sources. IMO this is a rare thing for the Kingdom of the Netherlands and there are sources to back the claim up. It's got world coverage, so it is not limited to national attention.Rain the 1BAM01:04, 10 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Posted. Discounting the two support !votes which add nothing to the discussion, it's 5:3. That's not the strongest consensus we've ever seen, but we are 24 hours without an update and there is a case to be made that these events are rare in Western Europe and especially so in the Netherlands. We also have another shooting with comparable casualties currently working its way down the template. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 01:17, 10 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Post-post oppose. To me it's simple. If this happened anywhere else in the world, would we post it? If this was the US, probably not. If this was Fiji or Samoa, probably not. If this was Africa, probably not. If this was Indonesia or Singapore, probably not. Western Europe shouldn't be "special" just because "it doesn't happen". "It doesn't happen" in a lot of places which we wouldn't post anyway. Strange Passerby (talk • cont) 02:00, 10 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Error in post The posted indicates 7+killer, while it is "7 including killer" (I have seen no reports of an update of the death yet; posted some time ago to ITN/errors as well, but am not sure how well that is watched) L.tak (talk) 08:37, 10 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
[Needs update] Atifete Jahjaga first female Kosovo President
I have re-nominated this historic political event as the original hook wasnt correct and by that those in favour /or not in favour didnt get the correct information.--BabbaQ (talk) 12:53, 9 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support – First female president is a significant milestone for any society, but it's also a development that interests women globally.—Biosketch (talk) 13:40, 9 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
we dont need to move it up just to get more responses. At anyrate, with the new article now its more warranted to get posted.Lihaas (talk) 14:08, 9 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
disagree with blurbing but support posting May I point out under Kosovo current constitution she is only the third offical president thus not really as big a deal about being the first woman. Since 33% of Kosovo's presidents have been female, that not really too big a deal to emphasize in my book The Resident Anthropologist(talk)•(contribs) 15:53, 9 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support: I must point out that this is not covered under ITN/R, since the criteria explicitly rules: "Disputed states ... should be discussed at WP:ITN/C and judged on their own merits." But since I disagree with this clause, I'm supporting. Nightw18:06, 9 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
And one more thing, neither the president article or her article are in anywhere near decent state to deserve posting. Nergaal (talk) 19:34, 9 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Please dont accuse users of doing bad faith edits just because you happen to disagree with them. The president article is OK for ITN.--BabbaQ (talk) 19:36, 9 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
NEITHER article says why there was an early election. To a complete outsider this could as well be something like "hey guys look at us we have randomly chosen a new president ONLY 6 weeks after we chose the last one."Nergaal (talk) 19:48, 9 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support new head of state- not necessarily a fan of emphasising her as the first woman to hold the post, but the change itself is enough. Courcelles23:10, 9 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I find both the President and Jahjaga's articles to be in very poor condition. I am still confused as to how/why this woman became President of Kosovo, which is the main point of this item, is it not? --PlasmaTwa200:24, 10 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support new head of state; the confusion on how or why she became president articulated above would also apply in many minds to George W. Bush, the confusion which after 10 years remains.... Carlossuarez46 (talk) 03:01, 10 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Administrator note Jahjaga's article is in a terrible state—the vast majority of it is totally unsourced and there's no explanation of how she came to be a candidate or any background information. The consensus is leaning in favour of posting, but the article needs serious work before it can go up. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 20:46, 10 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Prominent religious leader Maulvi Showkat Ahmed Shah is killed when explosives attached to a bicycle are detonated outside a mosque in Srinagar, Kashmir, thought to be the first attack of its kind in about two years. The capital's shops shut down and traffic is suspended. (BBC)
At least 25 people are killed and at least 320 others are wounded at Camp Ashraf. (Al Jazeera)
At least two people are killed and hundreds more are injured, including 30 critically, as security forces open fire on people in Ta'izz during protests against the Saleh regime. (Al Jazeera)
Thousands of people gather in Tahrir Square in Cairo for a "Day of Trial and Cleansing", calling for ousted president Hosni Mubarak and his regime to be prosecuted. (Al Jazeera)
A crew member shoots two of his crew mates on board the nuclear submarine HMS Astute at Southampton in Hampshire, England, killing one and sending the other into a life-threatening condition; police dismiss any link to terrorism. (BBC)(Al Jazeera)
Eight people are killed and 130 injured in a massive car pile-up caused by a sandstorm on the German autobahn A 19 near Rostock. The pile-up involves about 80 vehicles and causes at least 30 of them to catch fire, making it the worst accident in the state of Mecklenburg-Vorpommern. (BBC)(TheLocal)
Three children die after drinking suspected nitrite- (as opposed to 2008's melamine-) tainted milk in China; 35 others are hospitalized. (BBC)(China.org.cn)
Passed after 6 months of delays, during which the US govt was funded by the 2010 budget while Congress fought over this year's budget. The deal has resulted in 38 billion dollars in spending cuts, and avoided a shutdown of the federal government.--Johnsemlak (talk) 06:43, 9 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
This is somewhat confused. We haven't passed a budget. The parties reached an agreement, in principle, on what the budget should be and then passed a 6-day temporary extension to allow the government to continue functioning while they work out the details. The budget negotiations could still fall apart during the next week, or one of the houses of Congress could balk and fail to pass the resulting budget. We avoided a shutdown (for now), but its not really a done deal yet. Dragons flight (talk) 07:10, 9 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose -I'm not sure what we would be reporting.... "The US budget has not been blocked, for now"? Not really an event. HiLo48 (talk) 07:19, 9 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I wouldn't say nothing happened. A deal on a budget was reached, that's something. $38 Billion dollars in cuts and significant political ramifications (though exactly what those are are to be determined). We certainly dont' post every time a government passes a budget but last year we did post the UK Spending Review, although those were much more historic cuts for Britain. While Dragon's flight is correct that the budget hasn't been passed, the media is reporting it as a 'deal' and the way the parties are talking it really appears unlikely that it won't go through.--Johnsemlak (talk) 09:40, 9 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sorry. I really abhor statements like "People are interested in the deal." Any thinking person instantly asks "Which people?", "How many people?", etc. Not a sound argument. Ever. HiLo48 (talk) 10:19, 9 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Nothing's actually been passed yet. Only an agreement in principle which, as has been noted, has the potential to still fall apart before anything is passed - we shouldn't play WP:CRYSTAL and assume it will definitely hold together. Franklinville (talk) 10:22, 9 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Are there any reliable sources reporting that there's a real chance the budget won't be passed? From what I've read it seems pretty definite, though of course it hasn't been passed officially yet.--Johnsemlak (talk) 10:29, 9 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose What is the story? That a budget has been agreed? That happens in every economy, annually in most. That a budget catastrophe didn't happen? Lots of planes didn't crash yesterday, and Paraguay didn't declare war against Malawi: we won't be posting either of these facts. That politicians negotiated and compromised? We may as well publish that bus drivers sat down and co-ordinated the movement of pedals and a steering wheel. Kevin McE (talk) 11:05, 9 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
oppose did something major change? passing a budget happens every year (in every country) as far as i understand. this time they were just a bit fussy about it... politics as usual -- Ashish-g5514:01, 9 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose though clearly the bickering was of interest to Americans the shutdown was averted. That American political system is deeply polarized is not exactly news. That said I would have supported if a shutdown had occurred as that is a relatively unusual and rare event.--Wikireader41 (talk) 16:37, 9 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I've updated the corresponding section of the article with some additional information about the march of the protesters and the clashes with the security forces.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 16:52, 8 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Although the April 8 section looks decent, the sections for other days look a bit sparse. This is not a conditional support, but I would prefer if there was a little more than one-line updates about each day. Especially on April 7, where it says "Protesters prepared for large demonstrations planned for Friday." Obviously that's what happens before a big protest, and I would prefer it either removed or updated. But Support. SpencerT♦C21:01, 8 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Then nominate Yemen; we can post them both. Combining blurbs on recent protests in Middle Eastern countries has not gained consensus before because they are distinct stories. The same is true here. It's not a monolithic region.--Chaser (talk) 23:56, 8 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
"Australian Treasurer Wayne Swan officially blocked the proposed merger of the Australian and Singapore stock exchanges, branding it a takeover that would damage national interests." [3] The article Singapore Exchange needs some more update, but it should be easy enough. Any thoughts? --BorgQueen (talk) 01:46, 8 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
As an Australian I need to tell others elsewhere that it is big news here, with some "big money" people doing a lot of complaining about it. I'm not saying that this makes it a big event on a global scale. I have no idea, and I'd suggest the same is true for most others. It needs to be put in context of how it compares to how the governments of other "free market" western democracies have behaved on such matters. Does anybody know? HiLo48 (talk) 22:50, 8 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
BTW, I grew up in Sydney. If the merger happened, it would have been huge news, and would have my full support. But it didn't. So, it's basically a non-event. – SMasters (talk) 01:14, 9 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose (like SMasters, I'm an Australian). This was fairly big news here, but I don't think it is ITN worthy. It has little international significance and there was no suggestion of any change in the nature of the ASX's regulatory responsibilities. --Mkativerata (talk) 22:58, 8 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
A Mexican Drug War-related march inspired by the killing of seven people, one of whom was the son of prominent poet and journalist Javier Sicilia, occur in more than 20 Mexican cities, with marchers chanting "No more blood!". (BBC)(LA Times)
Médecins Sans Frontières releases a report accusing Bahrain's military of deliberately targeting doctors and hospitals, "paralyzing" them, and turning them into "places to be feared". (Al Jazeera)
Libya:
NATO kills at least 13 Libyan rebels and injures many more in an air raid near Ajdabiya after rebels reportedly fired on NATO planes, though there is speculation that the air-strike may have come from Gaddafi's fighter jets evading the no fly zone. (BBC)(Al Jazeera)
The United States considers putting troops on the ground. (CBS)
Syria:
The Assad regime grants nationality to thousands of Kurds in al-Hasaka in a bid to appease protesters. (Al Jazeera)
The Iron Dome mobile air defense system successfully intercepted a Grad rocket launched from the Gaza Strip at the Israeli city Ashkelon, marking the first time in history a short-range rocket was ever intercepted.(Haaretz)
China's foreign ministry confirms police are investigating artist and government critic Ai Weiwei, who disappeared over the weekend, for suspected economic crimes amid reports that he has been force-fed milk powder while on hunger strike in prison in reference to his campaigns against the 2008 Chinese milk scandal. (BBC)(AFP via Jakarta Globe)(Al Jazeera)
General Electric Co. announces that it is investing $600 million to construct a facility for the manufacture of thin-film solar panels, and says it hopes and expects to drive the price of solar energy down. (Reuters)
Injections of nitrogen into one of the reactors at Japan's stricken Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant begins in an effort to stop further hydrogen blasts. (BBC)
Calls increase for an independent international investigation into the recently released tape recording of police in the Republic of Ireland discussing the rape of two female protesters, one of whom is from North America. One of the women discusses her experience in public after police leak the identities of the women. (Irish Examiner)(TV3)
The case of a group of elderly Kenyans - 3 men and 1 woman in their 70s and 80s - reaches London's High Court, with the group seeking compensation and apology for their torture by British officers during the 1950s Mau Mau Uprising, including castration, sexual abuse, forced labour and beatings. (Al Jazeera)
Support as soon as there is an update - this is highly, highly significant. The biggest challenge may well be to come up with a non-partisan blurb. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 20:48, 7 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral This kind of news does attract huge media coverage, but the standoff will probably not last (because it would be against the interests of both parties involved), and it will soon end with some kind of petty bargaining. Crnorizec (talk) 20:55, 7 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment it should be pointed out that this happened 10 times during the Reagan and Carter administrations. I still support due to the high level media coverage. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 21:01, 7 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Isn't this basically equivalent to a public sector strike? The only strikes we usually cover in ITN are general strikes, and this would probably be of lesser scale, wouldn't it? Nanobear (talk) 21:09, 7 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, but some of that says "The Washington Monument was closed to tourists in the 1996 shutdown" - so what? If we "blurb" this, then tell us what it really means to the US and the rest of the world.... The Rambling Man (talk) 21:24, 7 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, I don't understand this point. Surely, it's clear that this has significance beyond the Washington Monument closing. (as I state below, amongst other things, all US national parks/monuments would close, such as Grand Canyon National Park and Yellowstone National Park.) A blurb hasn't been suggested yet, so its hard to debate it, but I imagine the words 'government shutdown' will convey a fair bit of significance and will link to an article explaining the details.--Johnsemlak (talk) 05:53, 8 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support if a shutdown happens and if there's the required update. A shutdown means that the government ceases to provide any non-essential services it normally provides (bear in mind the US's federal system where many day to day services are provided by the state and local government which will not be affected, notably schools). A good article on the details would be the United States federal government shutdown of 1995. I'll copy a key part fo the text from that article which details many of the services which are stopped:
health and welfare services for military veterans were curtailed; the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention stopped disease surveillance; new clinical research patients were not accepted at the National Institutes of Health; and toxic waste clean-up work at 609 sites was halted. Other impacts included: the closure of 368 National Park sites resulted in the loss of some seven million visitors; 200,000 applications for passports and 20,000 to 30,000 applications for visas by foreigners went unprocessed; U.S. tourism and airline industries incurred millions of dollars in losses; more than 20% of federal contracts, representing $3.7 billion in spending, were affected adversely.
The shutdown will also have a very signficant political impact. The 1995 shutdown is widely believed to have increased Clinton's popularity (because the public blamed the republicans) and contributed to his reelection in 1996.--Johnsemlak (talk) 02:23, 8 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I've seen a lot of news reports that this time will be different than 1995. The internet makes everything go (or not go) faster. We now have a homeland security department and counterterrorism has shot up the priority list. We're in the midst of tax season, so tax returns are due, but unless you e-file, return checks won't go out until after the shutdown ends. This is a good place to start, although their politics index has other good stories, including one on the effect on the economy.--Chaser (talk) 03:50, 8 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support, on the condition that the shutdown does occur. They've still got about a day left to figure things out, but it looks like the shutdown will occur. Bcperson89 (talk) 04:09, 8 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
its one thing to say support, etc. but if it is up for chosen what will be posted. were not going to paste this trail of debate on the main page.Lihaas (talk) 12:53, 8 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Fair point but given that fact that the shutdown hasn't happened yet this debate is a bit theoretical still. I've assumed were just discussing the general possibility of whether the govt shutdown is newsworthy, which I believe there is a consensus for. However, we still need to see if it actually happens, and then suggest a blurb and arrive at a consensus on that. I personally haven't suggested a blurb because I think it's best to wait until the event actually happens.--Johnsemlak (talk) 13:06, 8 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
one can add it to the curremt vcongress article (i dont know whcih it is).
Comment Given the media attention that this has gotten, it might be appropriate to mention on the front page that a deal has been made. Truthsort (talk) 03:20, 9 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, since it never happened (like the Aussie-Singapore merger above). John's nomination is a little better I guess. Nightw07:15, 9 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose let's be serious here. The last president of Kosovo was posted less than 1.5 months ago. The limitedly-recognized state does not have sufficient significance abroad to deserve such a post more than every 4ish years. Plus, the first female, when there were only 2 before her, is hilariously notable at best. Nergaal (talk) 20:34, 7 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I think "hilariously notable" is a little unfair. I think the concept of such states in general having female presidents is key here, not that Kosovo itself has had only three presidents. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:38, 7 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Yes first female president..an historic event. Also she has been elected in a more official manor than the previous one. Shes here to stay for a long time it seems.--BabbaQ (talk) 22:23, 7 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
oppose until there is an election article with details as to why there was a n early prez election (last one was some 2 (?) years ago)Lihaas (talk) 23:26, 8 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
It wasnt an election. it was a decision by members in the parliament. so get the fact straight. have you even read the article i wonder?--BabbaQ (talk) 23:34, 8 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Withdrawn nomination. Have re-nominated this article, as the hook was wrong obviously. It was a decision by parliament which was unclear here.--BabbaQ (talk) 13:29, 9 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
[Posted] Ai Weiwei detained
Article:Ai Weiwei (talk·history·tag) Blurb: Chinese artist and dissident Ai Weiwei is detained in Beijing as China's Communist Party’s six-week crackdown continues. (Post)
A huge movement currently going on at Jantar Mantar at Delhi for more than 60 hours. The movement is against corruption in India and the leader Anna Hazare is on a fast-unto-death. Anna is supported by various celebrities and sports-persons. Deserves to be on the In-the-news section of Wikipedia. References for further reading:
Oppose It is going to be so amusing to see all the support votes when the guy will stop fasting without the government having done anything. Nergaal (talk) 23:38, 7 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
if government lets him die that would be a news in iteslf. but i think it should be posted now regardless of result given the support its getting (not ITN supports). -- Ashish-g5500:21, 8 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
If he dies this will be worth posting. If the government concedes it will also be worth posting. But the cat-and-mouse game is NOT worth posting. Nergaal (talk) 00:36, 8 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support With the lot of news around and national channels in India running this live, IMHO it is notable to be featured on ITN -- TinuCherian - 02:44, 8 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
DailyEditor/others, Can you expand the blurb a bit more , like who he is ? Will be helpful to an international audience if posted on ITN on main page -- TinuCherian - 07:15, 8 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Anna has supposedly won the battle against corruption after a fast-unto-death. This is the talk of the town in the sub-continent. If facts and opinions are to be believed, instead of watching the IPL (Season 4), people are watching the rally of Anna, a formal announcement on the victory is anticipated to be held soon, i.e., within 30-40 minutes. Request editors to edit and expand related articles so that the news can be posted in the WP:ITN section without a glitch. JustinSpringer (talk) 15:06, 8 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
It's in a much better shape than the shipwreck article that currently graces the mainpage. Once again, it's one rule for one, and one rule for everyone else. Lugnuts (talk) 09:41, 8 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, it's expanded quite a bit in the last twelve hours, although take out the verbatim copy and image of the suicide note and notice that there's a {{fact}} tag there, and you're really not that much better than the shipwreck article. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:47, 8 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
When I commented last night, the shipwreck article had almost twice the prose. This article ahs been much improved since I last looked at it. If someone can sort that fact tag out, I'll post it. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 10:03, 8 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
This has gotten no support other than the nominator's. If you want to support this, then please re-open the discussion. Otherwise, it has run its course.--Chaser (talk) 03:56, 8 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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You're correct, Larry King wasn't posted. And Larry King's retirement was far more notable than the resignation of some right-wing nutjob who's really only made a name for himself in the US. Oppose. StrPby (talk) 11:06, 7 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Minor clarification: the Grauniad front page header has "Too far out for Fox Glenn Beck ousted This section Page 24" as the second teaser, after "How Anne the elephant became a cause célèbre" which features on page 3. . . . dave souza, talk14:25, 7 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Also note: despite the article heading "network ditches Tea Party icon", the article says the joint statement put a "face-saving spin on the decision to end Beck's show" and mentioned "unnamed future 'television projects for air on the Fox News Channel'" without giving any detail. Since the statement also says "Glenn intends to transition off his daily programme" not sure if that's immediate termination or if we can state baldly "leaving Fox News". . . dave souza, talk14:34, 7 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I think a section teaser right at the top of the newspaper counts as being on the front page - though obviously that doesn't make it the top story. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 17:33, 7 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose This hasn't really been a top story even within the United States. Only one way of spinning it is it even close to ITN: that his stupid comments killed his own show--BLP anyone? The other narrative about how it got cancelled is that the ratings dropped and advertisers deserted him and it got cancelled. That's not really ITN-worthy, even with the advertiser boycott.--Chaser (talk) 11:55, 7 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as not significant to the majority of readership (or even a significant minority, most likely) and per StrPby. Ks0stm(T•C•G)13:45, 7 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I don't care one way or another but wanted to make 2 points. Not having heard of, or seen a show isn't a good basis for opposing a nomination. Lot's of stuff get's posted that you may not have heard of. Secondly, he's a big story here, (here being the US which makes up half the readership at the English Wikipedia). If the idea is to draw people into our articles, there's nothing to be gained by ignoring that fact. Again, this isn't a support but some of the opposes don't make much sense. RxS (talk) 14:00, 7 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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And we're sure to solve the BIAS issue if we keep pretending that Wikipedia exists to serve US readers, or that the US is where we are lacking in recruiting new editors. Yes, while it's true that this is probably as important in the US as the NCAA was, that's actually a reason to oppose, not support, if the goal of ITN is to actually recruit editors, rather than act as American's cornflakes fodder. As ever, ITN's failings are obvious, and hard-wired. MickMacNee (talk) 15:24, 7 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Cornflakes fodder? No one is suggesting that Wikipedia exists to serve US readers. But the fact is the a significant number of our readers some from the US (see above). The goal of ITN is not to recruit new editors it's, and I quote:
The In the news (ITN) section on the main page serves to direct readers to articles that have been substantially updated to reflect recent or current events of wide interest.
So, there's little to be gained by ignoring or depreciating half our readers (except to serve some obvious anti-US bias). That bias is the only thing hard-wired here. The comment pretending that Wikipedia exists to serve US readers is an incredible straw man and is remarkably off the mark. RxS (talk) 15:33, 7 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The idea that the above sentence justifies ITN favouring American readers/topics is an invention entirely of your own making. BIAS makes it pretty clear that holding such a view is completely and utterly wrong. MickMacNee (talk) 15:43, 7 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
It's only wrong if you accept the premise that people will click on articles they are not interested in. That's obviously not the case. The fact is that people click on articles they have interest in. And half the people reading our articles are Americans (as much as that annoys you). So it follows that it serves ITNs purpose to include articles of interest to Americans...even if folks from the UK or where ever are not familiar with the topic. We post plenty of items that have limited international interest. You need to accept that fact that we have lot's of American reading En-Wikipedia and this ongoing anti-American bias does damage to ITN and our readership.
Is there a reason why this should be posted? I can't find any in the above. I've never heard of this and all I can tell is that someone from the radio has left their show. Perhaps it is important but nobody has given a reason why so it is very difficult to tell. --candle•wicke15:03, 7 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
ITN/C is not the place to throw shit at the wall and see if it sticks. I wasn't aware we were the Guardian, because since we aren't, what they have on their front page (and I suspect they have a lot on their front page, more than 4 stories maybe?) has zero bearing on us. I expect much better from someone with an infobox saying they've submitted 19 successful nominations to ITN. --Golbez (talk) 15:47, 7 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I not particularly strong in my support for this item, but I thought getting an article update would be easy, and I was curious to see what everyone else's views on it were. Not every nomination needs to be cast iron. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 17:37, 7 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Let's lighten up here a bit :). @Golbez, headlines from major news outlets are often used as evidence of notability here, I don't know why that makes you 'expect more' from someone. @Candlewicke, I can't really say 'why' this should be posted to you--you'll have to judge this on your own. But I'll say that Glen Beck is a relatively well-known American conservative pundit who with a highly successful radio program that became a tv program on FOX NEWS. He was considered somewhat influential. I listen to several news podcasts that cover US politics and he is mentioned now and then. He is to stop his daily program on FOX later this year, according to our article, but he is planning to continue projects with FOX. He has not been fired. The update is only a couple of sentences long. So I'd say oppose.--Johnsemlak (talk) 16:52, 7 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose c'mon personnel changes in the news biz/show biz/corporate world are generally not that notable. Now if he was going to NPR become an atheist and change his tune altogether, well.... wishful thinking. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 18:23, 7 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I'm perfectly content with this not going up, however I don't like this reasoning as the criteria have been significantly loosened since, and not posting King wasn't exactly a landslide decision. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 19:49, 7 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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