Talk:Beatification of Pope John Paul II

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Deletion

This article is exactly the same as what is in the article about the person himself. I would put the deletion template up if I knew how. Spartan S58 (talk) 14:50, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's not exactly the same. This article is a lot longer and contains more information and references than the corresponding section in the main Pope John Paul II article (which is supposed to be a summary of this page)

This daughter page was created, because the main article, Pope John Paul II, was getting very long.

The idea was to add any extra information to this page (in full) and keep a summary of this page in the corresponding section of the main article, keeping it short.

Regards Marek.69 ^talk 15:26, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm in agreement with Marek69. Keep it. User:doctorwho295 —Preceding undated comment added 19:19, 25 November 2009 (UTC).[reply]

could we at least delete the section about the DVD? It's completely irrelevant to the canonisation process 123.243.174.95 (talk) 13:17, 1 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Bad, Unsourced Polemics

The following is wholly out of place with the rest of the article.

"Also, the Pope has been especially criticized (more than perhaps any other issue, including the bans on birth control and on women priests) for not recognizing the full severity of the sexual abuse crises until they erupted in America in 2002. This is related to the criticism he has faced because of the fact that he was Pope for many of the years that diocesan bishops- who all answered to him despite the fact that they are the heads of their regional churches- allowed those pedophile priest molesters to be transferred from parish to parish. The late Pope took a good degree of heat for not recognizing the dual life of the late Father Marcial Maciel Degollado, founder and then-head of the Legionairies of Christ, who had abused seminarians, among his other misdeeds. His successor, Pope Benedict XVI, is having to deal with these issues and much remains to be done."

There's a complete disjoint in this paragraph, listing rambling, unsourced charges against John Paul the Great; does the sexual abuse crisis really affect the beatification bid, or is this wishful thinking from those who dislike his stance on abortion and sexuality?

I'd do it myself, but I don't have a Wikipedia login and don't care to create one for just one edit. That would look suspicious and would likely result in the changes getting undone. 67.181.184.247 (talk) 05:46, 17 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

We do have a whole article on Criticism of Pope John Paul II, with sources. It seems like it would be a good idea to summarize some of that material here, at least insofar as the sources explicitly comment on his canonization prospects. For example, here is a Newsweek article that explicitly discussion criticism of JP-II's rapid beatification in light of the emerging sexual-abuse scandals. I agree that the current one-paragraph summary in the article is inadequate, however, and is especially lacking citations. — Steven G. Johnson (talk) 06:24, 1 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]