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Archival

Due to current events, I have manually archived all comments prior to 1 May, to Talk:Osama bin Laden/Archive 17.  Chzz  ►  05:01, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Death

Can we give some credence to the fact that he might be dead? It has been speculated a few times and the main dates are pinned down to July or December 2001, with a few other dates suggested. Angelo Codevilla, of the American Spectator, says that there has not been a credible sighting of OBL since 2001 and that all the subsequent video and audio are very clearly not him (due to voice and appearance). Then, professor David Ray Griffin wrote a book entitled Osama Bin Laden: Dead or Alive, which provides a strong case and a date of death: 13 December 2001. And then there is the fact that OBL denied involvement four times* after 9/11, before suddenly arising to claim responsibility (on Griffins asserted death date). He appears very differently in the video published on that date, and unlike his [wahhabism|religious beliefs]]. Pervez Musharraf and Benazir Bhutto both claimed he died years ago, for kidney failure (2001) and assassination (2004?), respectively.

I would like to take the example of Alois Brunner, who is believed dead (he would be 99 now), but its unknown when. Here we have some dates and can then note that these are speculated or unconfirmed, but have some shadows of evidence to ground them. At some point, it will have to be recognized that he is dead. Why wait until 2057, when he would be 100 and the odds are ridiculous? I am willing to do the work on this, but I would like some support and comments from others to see if I am thinking realistically.

Please put a talkback on my talkpage if you reply. I tend to forget that I posted on a talk page.

*These articles I cited also make the case that OBL wasnt even involved in 9/11 and Codevilla suggests it was Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. I would love to get that more prominence in this and the 9/11 article, but there is so limited citing on it. I dont know why people dont even think of this possibility. The government cant because they would have to admit they were wrong, but independent sources certainly could speculate more about it.

Metallurgist (talk) 01:17, 1 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I suppose he might be dead, seeing as the US military and its Commander in Chief are both saying he was killed. — Rickyrab | Talk 04:30, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Live blogged, death was after 1AM 2 May 2011, need's updating. Here and Usama bin Laden page. http://twitter.com/#!/ReallyVirtual

Awaiting President Obama to possibly confirm his death

President Obama is about to speak on TV, possibly to announce Osama's death. Will update as soon as the announcement is official. Safiel (talk) 02:46, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

CNN is saying they have outside confirmation. But I agree we should wait for the President's statement. 75.93.212.49 (talk) 02:53, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

MSNBC has confirmed it... Piandcompany (talk) 02:54, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

According to the burlington free press, the United States Government has his dead body and president Barck Obama will adress the nation on Sunday, May 1.Mrwaco29 (talk) 03:06, 2 May 2011 (UTC)Page text.[1][reply]


Practically all media sources report and confirm his death, but an official confirmation would be nice. JorgeGuberte (talk) 03:17, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]


Osama Bin Laden was killed one week ago today; 5/01/2011, which put his death at April 24, 2011. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wannabeme22 (talk • contribs) 04:03, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request from Ki4mor, 2 May 2011

{{edit semi-protected}} He has been killed, all over the news add a death date.

Ki4mor (talk) 02:55, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Understood Moxy (talk) 02:59, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The comma between 1 and 2011 in his death date at the top of his InfoBox needs to have a space after it.

Small thing, but it's kind of annoying. Can someone fix that? 96.232.165.52 (talk) 02:56, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request from 161.253.105.39, 2 May 2011

Please change the age of Osama bin Laden to reflect that he died at age 54, instead of it saying that he was born at age 54 and died at age 0 (code error). 161.253.105.39 (talk) 03:01, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Fixed by another admin. –MuZemike 03:19, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request by Marlith

Please add a {{current}} to the page header. Marlith (Talk)  03:02, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Steven Walling 03:06, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request from CaesarGermanicus, 2 May 2011


CaesarGermanicus (talk) 03:03, 2 May 2011 (UTC) Um...... Osama's death was reported last night. Why hasnt this signifigant event been written yet? This seriously concerns my trust and support of Wikipedia.[reply]

Sincerely, CaesarGermanicus

Edit request from Rockclaw1030, 2 May 2011

I have seen the news and would like to post on the fact that Osama is now officially dead.


Rockclaw1030 (talk) 03:05, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Osama bin Laden is confirmed dead, per ABC News, NY Times, WSJ, and oddly TMZ. It's official! —Terrence and Phillip 03:10, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Full protection reduced to semi. —DoRD (talk) 03:34, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I propose we lock it

In light of the current media happenings, I think we should lock this before it starts getting vandalized. 98.26.81.41 (talk) 03:05, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Appears that the article was protected a few minutes ago. --joe deckertalk to me 03:06, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Agree, at least move to semi protection so we can update it. —Charles Edward (Talk | Contribs) 03:11, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Semi protection would be fine. The admins are obviously not keeping pace here. Per FOX, US has the body, confirmed using DNA from family member. Per AP, Place of death was islamabad, he was living in a mansion. Cause of death is a bomb per CNN —Charles Edward (Talk | Contribs) 03:16, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Wrong place; this request belongs on WP:RPP. Thanks,  Chzz  ►  05:26, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

another source for Bin Laden's death

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/05/01/usama-bin-laden-dead-say-sources/ says he was killed by a bomb

CNN is reporting he was killed outside a mansion in Islamabad, Pakistan--L1A1 FAL (talk) 03:19, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]


BBC is reporting it too.

UPDATE http://twitter.com/#!/ReallyVirtual

Remove section

I suggest that this section be removed: Reports of his current whereabouts. Thoughts? Jujutacular talk 03:13, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Or just rename it. Rklawton (talk) 03:14, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Rename it, yeah. Don't delete it -- it's useful because that information had an impact on political discussions of the time. The historical significance of where people thought he was hasn't disappeared with his death. --Aquillion (talk) 03:16, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I'm in shock. I found out playing Millionaire on Facebook of all places, one of my fellow players was watching NBC when they announced it. As for this section, I say let's hold on until the major spurt of activity dies down a bit. I agree we can't discuss his current whereabouts anymore; it's in U.S. custody in a coffin, or some disgraceful wrapping. CycloneGU (talk) 03:17, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
His current whereabouts, or at least his dead body, is currently in US military custody. It should be merged with his death section. —Terrence and Phillip 03:23, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Let's wait until we have more details. That section might still be worthy of inclusion, with a rewrite. – Muboshgu (talk) 03:24, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Death of a terrorist

Osama bin Laden was killed by a rocket fired from a drone about 3pm Nz time.President Obama is going to give a press statement in 15mts.

We got that already. CycloneGU (talk) 03:17, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Appears he was killed on a day prior to the announcement. We'll wait until the date is confirmed before we change it again. — BQZip01 — talk 03:38, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

President Obama said OBL was killed outside of Abbottobad (not Islamabad as stated in the article on Wikipedia) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.206.151.176 (talk) 03:48, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

noticed a problem

Resolved

there's 2 "Death" sections, might want to condense that--L1A1 FAL (talk) 03:18, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed  Chzz  ►  04:59, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Death of Bin laden needs it's own article

Resolved

Just a thought but the rumors of Death and the real death of osama should have it's own article here linked to this page. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 03:18, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

We only have two sentences so far. When we get more information you can create a new article.--RaptorHunter (talk) 03:21, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
See Death of Osama bin Laden  Chzz  ►  04:58, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request from Dylankd, 2 May 2011

Osama Bin Laden

Dylankd (talk) 03:27, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

In "Childhood, education, and personal life"

At the end of the second paragraph, if this man is deceased, shouldn't it say "He also wrote poetry" Instead of "He also writes poetry"?

Greisen (talk) 03:30, 2 May 2011 (UTC)Greisen[reply]

DEATH DATE IS WRONG

Several users have claimed the death date of 1 May is incorrect. For now, the only evidence we have is that Obama stated "today" in his conference. The date will not be changed until someone provides a reliable source showing a different date. Thank you.  Chzz  ►  05:07, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Collapsed requests
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

The died-on-date listed is wrong. It says May 1, 2011. That is WRONG. He died one week ago according to press reports, and it is just now being revealed today. [1] GOOD RIDDANZ (talk) 03:48, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I also saw this. Please fix. HankyUSA (talk) 04:00, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Current date is consistent with presidental speech.©Geni 04:03, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

According to Obama, he died today; I'd say much more a reliable source than various press. --BignBad 04:10, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

When did Obama today say he died today? The 'LIVE' broadcast I heard said he died several days ago and they only revealed it today once they confirmed it was him with DNA testing.

Edit request from 137.216.94.156, 2 May 2011

It's May 2nd that it took place, not March 2nd.

137.216.94.156 (talk) 03:47, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Current date is consistent with presidental speech.©Geni 04:02, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Current date is not consistent with Presidential speech. Obama's speech, though made on May 1st in the US, was actually made on MAY 2 around 9-10am Pakistan time. Evidence seems to indicate bin Laden died on May 2 local time. -- jeff z —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jzemla (talk • contribs) 05:12, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request from Wannabeme22, 2 May 2011

Osama Bin Laden was killed one week ago from this day 5/01/2011


Wannabeme22 (talk) 03:58, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Current date is consistent with presidental speech.©Geni 04:03, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

death date

I would like to point out that he probably died on the 2nd of May Pakistani time.

He was killed on the 24th, according to reports. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 04:00, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
EXACTLY! THANK YOU! 04:04, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
According to what I heard on CNN not long ago, he died eight hours before but they only announced it now. I haven't heard of him dying a week ago as others said. We'd best sit on the presumed death date (today) until otherwise is confirmed. CycloneGU (talk) 04:04, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed, according to Obama's speech on CNN, he died today. --BignBad 04:09, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The President said "Today, at my direction, the United States carried out that operation... they killed Osama Bin Laden and took custody of his body." Source is Al Jazeera report, but was available in any video on 1 May 2011. Victorianist (talk) 04:12, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Early reports said the 24th, but that alleged fact disappeared after the speech. It would be nice to find out the precise LOCAL date and time for whatever "today" means in this case, and its UTC equivalent. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 04:21, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The "one week ago" quotation was about when the US received the information that Bin Laden would be holed up at the compound. It didn't go anywhere. People mis-heard.

I've got the relevant part of the speech quoted verbatim below. Rklawton (talk) 04:59, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request from Sas148, 2 May 2011

{{edit semi-protected}}

Osama bin Laden did not die on May 1st, 2011. It only announced that he had been confirmed killed on May 1st, 2011. He was killed several days ago. I am unsure of the actual date, but I know he wasn't killed today, May 1st, 2011.

Sas148 (talk) 04:45, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done

Death date

{{edit request}}

No reason to believe death date is May 1, as the US is just announcing now after confirming his identity. Circa April 2011 would be a better date for now. Grsz 11 03:00, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

See above  Chzz  ►  05:05, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request from 65.67.89.73, 2 May 2011

Osama was pronounced dead on may 1st, 2011. The report first given by NY times writer Jay Turpin is supposed to be finalized by the President in a address to the United States.

65.67.89.73 (talk) 02:49, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Lets wait till the statement on TV --Guerillero | My Talk 02:52, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Not good enough? http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/richard-adams-blog/2011/may/02/osama-bin-laden-dead-live —Preceding unsigned comment added by 155.8.89.2 (talk) 06:41, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

latest on death

Two days ago OBL aged 54, was killed by a small team of US special forces at a luxury compound 50km north east of Islamabad ,the capital of Pakistan.The body is in the custody of US forces.Pakistani special service forces have been watching the villa for some time -some reports say a month.It appears that President Obama was informed before the US team stormed the villa and killed OBL in a firefight(not a drone fired from a Predator drone as previously reported).It took 2 days to make a postive DNA identification using a sample provided by one of his many sisters.

According to CTV News, Obama tried to make it clear that none of the people involved were American. I think we should avoid saying who was involved at all until we know for certain exactly who actually was involved. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.69.129.43 (talk) 04:09, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
If you watched his actual statement he said Americans were involved. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.161.93.125 (talk) 04:11, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

CNN is reporting that it was a helicopter raid by US Navy Seals, and "that the entire operation only took around 40 minutes" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.63.61.188 (talk • contribs)

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed

To quote from the article on Khalid Sheikh Mohammed (before the table of contents):


That article includes citations. Seems like this might merit mentioning in this article? TerraFrost (talk) 04:03, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Unless it actualy happens no. Try Death of Osama bin Laden.©Geni 04:18, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]


Nuclear hellstorms? we've had those already, but not in Europe and not because of Al-Qaeda. — Rickyrab | Talk 04:26, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

President's speech

Verbatim excerpt: "And finally, last week, I determined that we had enough intelligence to take action and authorized an operation to get Osama bin Laden and bring him to justice. Today, at my direction, the United States launched a targetted operation against that compound in Abbotabad, Pakistan. A small team of Americans carried out the operation with extraordinary courage and capability. No Americans were harmed. They took care to avoid civilian casualties. After a fire fight, they killed Osama bin Laden and took custody of his body." Rklawton (talk) 04:56, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This makes it clear that OBL's death date was May 1st. Rklawton (talk) 04:57, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
This also makes it clear that this was an American operation. Rklawton (talk) 04:57, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Adding this as a reference, as I haven't seen it mentioned yet. Official transcript of Obama's speech:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2011/05/02/remarks-president-osama-bin-laden nerdqueen (talk) 06:17, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Suspicious

"...along with lifelong friends Anthony Kardous and Enos Fingy" seems suspicious. Google results show mainly Facebook pages and the like.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.254.222.77 (talk • contribs) 05:10, 2 May 2011

Fixed, thanks. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 05:38, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Death on May 2nd?

Obama's speech was made on May 2, around ~9:30AM Pakistan time.

So unless his death was kept secret for about 10 hours, current evidence seems to indicate he actually died on May 2nd local time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jzemla (talk • contribs) 05:14, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It was kept secret for awhile (read the speech), but it's not clear if it's more than 10 hours - so it's possible OBL died on the 1st or the 2nd local time, so we'll just have to wait and see. Rklawton (talk) 05:18, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
It was announced in Washington in the evening of May 1st. The speech was at around 11:30pm EDT on May 1st, which is May 2 3:30 UTC, and Mr. Obama said "today". Unless/until reliable sources are provided to show another date, it will not be changed.  Chzz  ►  05:19, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

He said "today" because it's nonsensical to say "tomorrow"... But good point about UTC. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jzemla (talk • contribs) 05:31, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

There is a local tweet from Abbottabad complaining about the strike helicopters at 1am local time, meaning there it is very likely that OBL was killed in the earliest hours of May 2. 71.184.69.63 (talk) 05:51, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
http://twitter.com/#!/ReallyVirtual 71.184.69.63 (talk) 05:52, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Al-Jazeera via C-SPAN broadcast a report from a local producer that also put the attack at after 1:00 A.M. Rklawton (talk) 05:59, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]


Chezz you are the biggest moron on Wiki. You do not control the info on this site. You need to be baned.

Lock the Page

Until things settle down and more official reports have been published, this article should be locked from editing.Inter16 (talk) 05:17, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

That is not how Wikipedia works. See WP:PROT. It's a wiki; anyone can edit. Anything lacking reliable sources can be removed. Discussions can happen here.  Chzz  ►  05:19, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The article is currently only semi-protected to prevent vandalism from unregistered and new users. Applying full protection would prevent legitimate, regular users, who do follow Wikipedia's rules and guideline, from updating this article. Zzyzx11 (talk) 05:31, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Minor point

The "see also" link, Osama bin Laden as destructive Cult leader, links to a minor comment in a somewhat tangential article. The idea is interesting (personally i agree), and with more sources, could be incorporated into the main body of THIS article, but i dont think this works as a "see also".Mercurywoodrose (talk) 05:34, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request from Ssshanemjlll, 2 May 2011

The folowing should be edited as parts of the aritical are not needed and should not be included.

 Not done Sorry - not sure what you mean - could you elaborate if the problem still there .Moxy (talk) 06:56, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Death

Main article: Death of Osama bin Laden
Wikinews has related news:

On May 1, 2011, President Obama announced that Osama bin Laden was killed earlier that day by "a small team of Americans" acting under his direct orders, in a covert operation in Abbottabad, Pakistan, 32 miles (51 km) (or 93 miles by road) north of Islamabad,[2][3] affirming earlier confirmation by US officials to the media. The site is just a few kilometers from the Pakistan Military Academy in Kakul.[4] DNA from bin Laden's body, compared with DNA samples on record from his dead sister,[citation needed] confirmed bin Laden's identity.[5] The body was recovered by the US military and is in its custody.[3]

The as the crows fly is not needed to convey actual distance and is a nonprofessional entry


Ssshanemjlll (talk) 05:59, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done Not sure what your saying - could you elaborate if the problem still there.Moxy (talk) 07:04, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request from 69.42.2.248, 2 May 2011

Fox news said his birthday was July 30, 1957. And they have his name as Usama.

69.42.2.248 (talk) 06:06, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

declined. We've been getting a spectacular number of errors from fox news about this and Osama is the generaly accepted spelling.©Geni 06:09, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Fox News has a reputation for being rather slip-shod when it comes to fact-checking, it's unsurprising that they got the wrong birthday. As for the spelling of his name, it boils down to different ways of translating Arabic script into the English alphabet (witness various spellings of the Islamic holy text - Koran, Qur'an, Kuran, and Curan). "Osama" is the most commonly used spelling, and I'd just as soon go with the BBC spelling rather than FOX's. Badger Drink (talk) 06:13, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
"Usama" is a variant transliteration, as with Kadaffi's name, of which there are several spellings. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 06:32, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Protection is needed

This article is likely to be hit by a spate of steady vandalism. I suggest we put it under protection immediately.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 06:30, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Looks like it has been done. Page is now semi-protected Mastercampbell (talk) 06:57, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. Even *I* am tempted to edit in something along the lines of "the bastard was sent to Hell" and even cite Dante's description of what Canto he wound up in. Rest assured this particular article will be in need of protection for a significant period of time. Kudos to whichever admin turned it on. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.90.148.141 (talk) 07:00, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The image being used on the page at the moment is disputed in terms of if it is fair use. See the original page. Are there any images that are guaranteed free from any copyright?

  1. ^ Link text, additional text.
  2. ^ Cite error: The named reference guardian1 was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  3. ^ a b "Osama Bin Laden Killed by US Strike". ABC News. 1 May 2011.
  4. ^ "Osama bin Laden, the face of terror, killed in Pakistan". CNN.com. The Cable News Network. 2011-05-01. Retrieved 2011-05-01.
  5. ^ "Osama bin Laden Killed; ID Confirmed by DNA Testing". ABC News. 1 May 2011.
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