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allmusic edit

My edit was not an attempt at vandalism! You believe it was misguided. The following is what I wrote on the discussion page... "This is not trivial. Wikipedia pays this organisation tremendous respect, references them countless times (an operation that bequeathes on them considerable financial leverage) and yet has the ability to launch or damage musical careers. In one article, ([1]), this same organisation describes William Shakespeare's poetry in Sonnet #131 and Twelfth Night as "cringe-worthy." In others, the information is unreliable. Is allmusic donating to Wikipedia?" Laetoli (talk) 11:29, 3 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Kekal

Thank you for adding that band to my list; you are correct about me liking that band. Backtable _{Speak to me}^{concerning my deeds.} 04:33, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Am I making too much of the issue on the talk page? --Walter Görlitz (talk) 03:29, 15 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

No, you're not, I'm adressing this on the talk page.--3family6 (talk) 12:42, 15 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Please refrain from changing genres, as you did to They're Only Chasing Safety, without providing a source and without establishing a consensus on the article's talk page first. Genre changes to suit your own point of view are considered disruptive. Thank you. GunMetal Angel 22:21, 28 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I apologize that my edit appeared point of view. My changes can be sourced in two of the reviews listed, and I have brought this up on the talk page.--3family6 (talk) 22:29, 28 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the apology. A long-listed issue of regarding Underoath's genre has went on for quite a while. But a consensus has settled that the band is not screamo, indie or whatever crazy genre that you or anyone else would come up with. Just metalcore and post-hardcore were the only regarding sources. Personally I don't think "screamo" is a genre at all, just a slang for kids and adults to use for bands with screamed vocals (which is stupid) and to further explain, there's pretty much already a genre to describe any sound that anyone may consider what "screamo" is so technically I don't see it a genre beyond being just slang for someone's ignorance. • GunMetal Angel 22:35, 28 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, are you referring the Underoath article, or the album article? Because there does not appear to be a lot of heated discussion over genre on the album talk, though of course there is some discussion (compared to some articles, its hardly any discussion). I've found that its actually harder to find sources for specific albums being metalcore as opposed to screamo, even though the band is often called metalcore by sources. I pretty much am of the opinion that all genres are made up, they just make classifying certain sounds a lot easier.--3family6 (talk) 23:07, 28 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I was refering to the article for Underoath, that's the best place to go if you want your say into what the band sounds like. And regarding your bottom line; I think it's needless to remind you that this is an encyclopedia where to learn, not to make a den of opinions or rumors. This site goes by verification, not rumors such as what some may speculate, conductive of letting their ignorance get ahead of them. • GunMetal Angel 23:21, 28 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

What Underoath itself has been described as has only a little bearing on what reviewers have described a particular album as sounding like, so I don't know why you are bringing that into it. I don't understand at all what you are getting at about verification. I have provided sources for the album's sound, and I have no clue what rumors you are referring to.--3family6 (talk) 23:28, 28 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Those were only examples to get you on track, I wasn't talking in your case. • GunMetal Angel 23:31, 28 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, thank you. Do you recommend that I put the genres back into the Chasing Safety article?--3family6 (talk) 23:33, 28 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. Sorry for my not sourcing the material in the beginning, laziness on my part, I should have at least pointed to where I got the info.--3family6 (talk) 23:38, 28 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

No, don't do that. Underoath aren't screamo or melodic hardcore, man. • GunMetal Angel 23:41, 28 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

How about we call it quits here on my talk, and if I want to get in a fun debate I can take it up in a few days on the album talk?--3family6 (talk) 23:43, 28 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Underoath talk would work. That gets the most attention hence all the watchers for the page (including myself). • GunMetal Angel 23:49, 28 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Did you remove Skillet from the list? I was still consensesing! Consennsenning? trying to find a source to bring the dicussion to a close, we'll say that DCcomicslover (talk) 19:50, 1 March 2011 (UTC)DCcomicslover[reply]

I removed Skillet because the current source for it was considered unreliable. I would suggest that we leave it off the list until the new source is deemed reliable.--3family6 (talk) 20:41, 1 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'm putting Skillet back in with the new source.--3family6 (talk) 21:05, 1 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Nintendocore

I re-added it, but took into account your concerns, finding this that states: "California's HORSE the Band debuted in 2003 with R. Borlax, a noisy but undoubtedly leading light in the burgeoning post-hardcore subgenre of Nintendocore". I think this should also be added to the post-hardcore page as a sub-genre. Cheers --186.82.60.241 (talk) 05:01, 14 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Alright then, looks good. Thanks, --3family6 (talk) 12:55, 14 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

As I Lay Dying

As I Lay Dying is not a death metal band. Control-F the article. See where you find the word "death" - if you disagree with the actual article about the band explicitly stating that they are metalcore, try to change it and see what happens. Myrkkyhammas (talk) 03:49, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I 100% agree that they are metalcore, the death metal source says they are metalcore, and a gajillion other sources say they are metalcore. However, the particular source I cited has them listed as melodic death metal in addition to metalcore, hardcore, Christian metal, and Christian rock. MusicMight is a reliable source, and in this case the bio is done solely by the late Garry Sharpe-Young (username is Taniwha), who was a respected heavy metal writer, and therefore a very reliable in and of himself. I plan to work on the AILD article itself sometime and add this description. I noticed that on your revision you said you have a source stating that they are not death metal. Can you please send me the link or book reference?--3family6 (talk) 12:15, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You should check out the burden of proof article. I don't have to demonstrate to you that As I Lay Dying is not a death metal band. There are, as you have said, a "gajillion" sources saying that they are metalcore. The fact that you found one outlying source saying that they are death metal (amongst a couple other sort of meaningless things) means very little. If we made a list of every genre that every band has been labelled as by every single reliable source, it would not be long before nearly every band was listed as everything from Baroque to Nihilistic Depressive Suicidal Funeral Doomcore. As I Lay Dying is a metalcore band, as is stated by the vast majority of reliable sources - including the Wikipedia article, which by itself is enough to end this discussion. I now consider the matter closed.

Also, you say on your page that you don't like genre warriors. You also said that you're also planning to "work" on the As I Lay Dying article. Please be careful. Pushing your ideas about metalcore and death metal does not improve Wikipedia. Best, Myrkkyhammas (talk) 17:02, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion is not closed, though you may be finished with your part. At least one third party has to join the discussion to establish a consensus. As to the actual debate, you are incorrect in saying that you don't need to demonstrate that AILD is not death metal, as you are the one who has challenged the addition and have further claimed that you have a source. I know that the majority of sources claim that they are metalcore, but hardly any or none say that AILD is not death metal. WP:WEIGHT might apply in this case, but we need other editors to debate that. Wikipedia is never, ever, a reliable source, so that has absolutely no bearing on this debate whatsoever. However, the opinion of a reliable heavy metal music author means a great deal, though he could very well be challenged in another reliable source, though so far no sources objecting to AILD being death metal has been provided. I am not trying to push my ideas about death metal and metalcore, as I am not a music expert, and most of what I know about those genres is from various random sources, and even if I knew a lot about the subject personally, my opinions published on a wiki talk page are not a reliable source. Genre warriors use primarily original research, do not try to gain consensus, hardly ever use reliable sources, and don't try to get involved in actual article content. While I sometimes can be a little over-zealous and/or quick to label sometimes, Wikipedia likes but boldness, and I am learning to be more careful in the way I make additions. Making additions that are fully supported by reliable sources is improving Wikipedia, though often consensus is needed on just how the source should presented and whether it is presented accurately. But for the discussion to move any further, it needs to be addressed on the talk page, so I am moving the discussion there. Please voice any further comments/objections on the talk page here. Thank you, --3family6 (talk) 19:51, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I am not going to continue this. It's a really minor point and not worth starting an edit war. I looked at the complete list of so-called "death metal" bands and had so many objections that I became overwhelmed with apathy.

You should know though, for the record, that I know what you're doing. Furthermore, I know that you know what you're doing. Myrkkyhammas (talk) 22:02, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Post-hardcore

Hey I saw that you added the template of unreliable sources, and I was wondering if you could give it a check to the sources from the first two decades (which are the sections I've been improving so far) just to see if there is anything wrong with those. Hope it's no big deal, and I'd be greatly thankful. Cheers --186.82.60.241 (talk) 06:29, 22 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

No problem, that's why I put it up there, thanks.--3family6 (talk) 11:59, 22 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I've checked up on sources, if you need help read WP:SPS and WP:SOURCES. One thing you might want to watch out for, and something that I didn't check for, is WP:SYNTH.--3family6 (talk) 12:32, 23 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I've been also thinking about whether to keep the Guy Peters' one or not, I did some research and it seems, however, that one of his concert reviews is linked from Mike Watt's homepage [2] along with a bunch of other articles from sources such as the New York Times and Billboard. I don't know if this would be enough for being a reliable source, even if Mike Watt himself seems reliable enough as a third-party source. --190.159.187.70 (talk) 04:55, 24 March 2011 (UTC) (PS: I'm the same user as above, with different IP this time though.)[reply]

PS 2: Checking WP:SYNTH, I've tried to stick to the original sources while writing what's been written so far, as well as trying to separate what each source says. I'm afraid some of it may be synthesis of sources though, so I'll check out for statements that seems like synthesis/original research, and separate the authors and their respective statements, if appropiate. --190.159.187.70 (talk) 05:03, 24 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Hey I think I found a source! I'm sorry it took so long. I'm pretty sure this is reliable. http://move.themaneater.com/stories/2009/9/11/skillets-back-and-pissed/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by DCcomicslover (talk • contribs) 15:59, 24 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Notice that other previous touring members are not shown in the "past members" list. Therefore Salas should not be shown there. 208.107.230.3 (talk) 13:06, 12 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't done much on the Skillet article, so I apologize if I went against consensus. However, an editor who is very active on that page has also reverted your addition with the same reasoning that I gave. The reason that Salas should be shown is because he was actually a member of the band for a brief period, not just a touring member. Thank you though for following through and trying to make Wikipedia better.--3family6 (talk) 14:26, 12 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Minor edits

I don't know where you get your crazy ideas, but submitting your edit as a "minor edit" when it's merely your opinion that it's not minor is not vandalism. And with that said, my edits were reverts, which by these standards, it confirms that reverts are minor edits. - GunMetal Angel 01:23, 19 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry, which edits are you referring too? The only edits I remember making that comment for were intended for another editor who was actually making content changes, but I might have made that type of comment somewhere else too.--3family6 (talk) 02:37, 19 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]