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exempli gratia

Shouldn't e.g. just be listed once as exempli gratia (e.g.) instead of having BOTH exempli gratia AND e.g.? This would 1) make it more succinct instead of having two listings for the same phrase, and 2) fit more in line with the style of other such acronyms/abbreviatsions (e.g. i.e. which only has the listing as id est (i.e.)). It just seems rather pointless to have both entries since they mean the same thing (because they are the same thing). Pyrotics (talk) 17:08, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

id est

("I have lots of favorite colors; i.e., I can't decide on just one").

That's a terrible use of i.e. The second clause isn't explanatory, it is a consequence. Need a better example.Ordinary Person (talk) 10:28, 7 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

et al.

It is said that "alii is actually masculine, so it can be used for men, or groups of men and women;", while Wiktionnary seems to say that alii is only for men (or boys) and that alios is the correct form for a group of men and women. So? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.204.249.182 (talk) 21:17, 10 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Et alii is a masculine nominative plural, understood to be gender-inclusive in English usage; if one wanted to emphasise that those others are all female, et aliae could be used (cf. alumni / alumnae). The Wiktionary entry at Wikt:et al. is less confusing than the one at Wikt:et alii which is where the accusative Wikt:et alios is mentioned unnecessarily. Et alios has no application, except in cases similar to "he gave the speech to Mr X, Mr Y, et alios" if a pedantic English speaker wanted to apply the Latin masculine accusative plural to an English object of only males. In short, one can't go wrong with "et al." -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 03:56, 11 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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