Talk:Marvin Heemeyer
Stop putting on the NPOV!
This article is fine the way it is. The events is written in a way that the highest number of people can agree on. The cops lied about the incident, and as a result, most negative media reports were inconsistent. The article paints an accurate portrait of Marvin Heemeyer.
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The only way Marvin Heemeyer could have improved on that would have been by striking a dramatic pose on top of the Killdozer and shouting "WRYYYYYY" at his foes.
Guy deserved a medal
Seriously, he had a good business and due to beurocracy and probably not being one of the "good old boys" and having the right connections and kiss the right asses they destroyed his business and refused to help him in any way.
Our entire society is a lie, it isn't the best and brightest or hardest working that make it, simply people that have the right connections.
- He also destroyed the city hall and a bunch of other stuff, the consequence of which was probably that the town suffered a good deal and has had to do substantial rebuilding. He may have been wronged, but I don't see how someone could consider him a hero. Everyking 11:13, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
- Marvin should get a metal higher than the congressional medal of honor for defending the truest American values. He lost his life to defend the people against tyranny and corruption.
God rest his soul.
- And thats why you're a fucking moron. The MoH is for MILITARY personell only. He destroyed a fucking library aswell. How does *that* make him a hero?--KrossTalk 22:46, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
Introduction
Marvin was a hero for all Americans. He stood up against tyranny, and should be honored like the members of the Boston Tea Party.
God rest his soul.
This Article is As Completely Without Bias As Possible
No article is completely without bias, and most of the information contained are facts gleaned from many news sources. I'd like to know why people think there is anything at all wrong with the article.
(1)Initial reports said that Marvin deliberately avoided injuring anyone. Eyewitnesses corroborated with those facts. Subsequent reports that Marvin was intent on injuring anyone is not affirmed by people who saw the incident. Marvin clearly had the ability to kill, but he didn't. He only wanted the country to learn of his plight, so that Americans realize that the injustice could affect any hard working American.
(2)Marvin is regarded in large areas of the United States as a modern day hero. Few people say that he was filled with malice. Most people could understand why he did what he did.
I'd like to see the dspute closed because there is nothing wrong with the article.
Removing NPOV Template
I do believe, sorry to the above, that it is still biased. I also believe that NPOV with any article is possible. The best way to NPOV is to list facts instead of implications, ie "Bob was found guilty of murdering Tom" Vs. "Bob murdered Tom." We do not really know if he really murdered Tom or not, (implication), however, it is a fact if he was found guilty of it (court records), hence that's what you put.
I'm going to run through it and add "some bellive"s and such to the controversial portions to make it NPOV, and change the template. Then, if no one minds, say a week or so later, I'm going to try and take down the template completely. Sim 17:52, August 6, 2005 (UTC)
Despite Claims, Article Both Biased and Poor
In addition to this article being biased -- not only does the author include absolutely no potentially negative information or sources, but phrases like "monumental effort" (by Heemeyer to save his business) abound -- it is, quite simply, poorly written. Ambiguity and/or downright inaccuracy are contributed by several assertions; for example: "When Heemeyer requested to extend a sewer line across eight feet of the plant's property, he was denied. This resulted in a $2500 fine that Marvin had to pay." Does the author really mean to say that requesting the extension of the sewer line resulted in a fine? That's ludicrous; almost certainly, any fine actually levied would come from actually violating a code (or at least not from merely requesting a permit).
The NPOV tag is more than justified. I am also adding cleanup and deletion tags to ensure that this terrible article (in its current iteration) vanishes from wikipedia as soon as possible, hopefully to be replaced with a reasonable, unbiased, well-written piece. This is without question a newsworthy event and one which needs to be described on wikipedia, but any relevant article absolutely must conform to some minimal standard of quality. Rbmoore
- Yeah, it's bad. At least now it only says he is viewed by a hero by some Americans, whereas before it said most. Everyking 23:52, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
- I dont think the article is too biased. Most sources view Marvin Heemeyer positively. Sources have been provided in "External Links". Absolutely every article viewing Marvin Heemeyer negatively, at least on the internet is inconsistent with one another. Anti-Heemeyer publications have lessened their credibility by posting articles that refute one another. Example:
- Right after the incident, many publications claimed Marvin deliberately avoided injuring everyone. Then after some time, the same publications claimed that Marvin tried to kill at random. The facts are clear and the witnesses for Marvin Heemeyer are consistent, unlike those who attempt to malign him. Marvin only had a pistol inside his cab (affirmed by firefighters, distorted by Granby officials to make him appear like a madman) to end his own life. Marvin was nothing less than an honest, upright, highly skilled American who was destroyed by his tyrannical, greedy town. More and more Americans, if they care to review recent history, and glean from multiple sources, can learn the truth about all the lies leveled against Heemeyer. The NPOV should be removed immediately. This article is impartial because it only relied on good sources, not the liberal media.
- Please sign your posts, and please provide some evidence for your claim. Russell 00:42, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
I am from Russia and i wont say: god bless Marvin`s soul, very russian soul. Hi`s a hero for us - russian people.
The author is somewhat biased I will agree, but much of the article's bias IS because the subject and the information surrounding it are biased, there isn't really a lot to be said for views opposed to Heemeyer, because apparently nobody can agree on facts detracting from his actions. I belive some minor revision is in order, but I don't really think this article is "biased" or "poor". I think it's a decent article and that the author just needs to remove things that are opinionative in a few places. It doesn't merit the kind of harassment some people seem to be levying here. Note to the author and in general: It's alright to have an opinion, it's hard not to with any story, just don't write your opinion in. Perhaps find facts that support your opinions, but don't make inferences about others based on yourself and as much as you support your opinion, do your best to support those opposed to you if possible, because in the end it makes your own even more plausible by the fact it stands against opposing opinions in full strength. Nathaniel 13:43, 27 October 2005 (EST)