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From article, not a direct quote from sited book: "Teach's flag depicted a skeleton spearing a heart, while toasting the devil. Flying such a flag was designed to intimidate one's enemies.[106]"

The flag is not a depiction of a skeleton "toasting" the devil, but the devil (as a skeleton, see horns) with an hourglass. It is not a challis or goblet. An hourglass was a symbol of death, much like skeletons, skulls, bleeding hearts, etc. and meant 'your time is up' to those who saw it.

I know I've read this somewhere, and it is a common conception about other pirate's flags also, I just don't have specific siting for it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aeirvin (talk • contribs) 02:51, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

POTC

Here's to hoping this redirection would maybe help in the future with this POTC mess. Sorry for all those additions of adding information of the fictional version here, Parrot of Doom. Definitely something needs to be done so that editors won't want to add Pirates of the Caribbean information here all the time. Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 17:37, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

It always happens, for years people kept putting V for Vendetta into Guy Fawkes (someone tried again, recently). However, the linked page still claims that Blackbeard is a character in PotC4 though, which isn't really true. The linked page should read something like "Ian McShane - Blackbeard (based on the historical figure)" or similar. Parrot of Doom 19:01, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Does this help? _Blake ^{(Talk·Edits)} 19:10, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Yeah that can work out and hopefully adding the Potc navbox here stops. I just thought of this but maybe there can be divided article on the On Stranger Tides Blackbeard since the POTC one is basically based on that one. It might be a little hard though proving his notability even if he is though. Novel fictional characters were always the hardest when it came to that but I think he might have a chance. Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 19:16, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

I forsee calls to include PotC in this article in some respect, which is entirely understandable, so if anyone comes across a high-quality source that compares the character and the historical figure, please do feel free to mention it. Parrot of Doom 19:20, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

This article might be promising for this article in some way. Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 19:48, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

We currently also have Blackbeard in popular culture. If we cleaned up that article and expanded it, all the important PotC info. would probably fit into that one quite nicely. Harry Blue5 (talk • contribs) 21:41, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Yeah that was encouraged because of a discussion here that I remember. It is new and there are many opportunities that that article can have for the future. Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 22:50, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Fuses, beards, hats, etc

Recent edits have suggested that Teach tied fuses to his beard, but this is not what is claimed by the sources used for the majority of this article, which use Johnson's description of the man. Johnson never said that Teach tied fuses to his beard, he said, and I quote - "So our Heroe, Captain Thatch, assumed the Cognomen of Black-beard, from that large Quantity of Hair, which covered his whole Face, and frightn'd America, more than any Comet that has appeare'd there a long Time", and "This Beard was Black, which he suffered to grow of an extravagant Length; as to Breadth, it came up to his Eyes; he was accustomed to twist it with Ribbons, in small Tails, after the Manner of our Remellies Wigs, and turn them about his Ears; In Time of Action, he wore a Sling over his Shoulders, with three brace of Pistols, hanging in Holsters like Bandaliers; and stuck lighted Matches under his Hat, which appearing on each Side of his Face, his Eyes naturally looking fierce and wild, made him altogether such a Figure, that Imagination cannot form an Idea of a Fury, from Hell, to look more frightful."

Now can we please stop this nonsense of "reliably sourcing" statements to the effect that Teach tied fuses to his beard? Whom do you think is the more reliable source, Charles Johnson's original description of the man, or a newspaper journalist doing a quick google? Parrot of Doom 15:54, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Have you not noticed the other sources used? I believe those sources are impeccable. The Last Angry Man (talk) 15:58, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

You believe that a newspaper journalist or two will know more about this subject than the acclaimed historian Angus Konstam? He tied ribbons to his beard, and fuses under his hat. Parrot of Doom 16:01, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

No but I do believe that the other two sources which I had added and which you appear to be ignoring are impeccable, please explain how they are not. The Last Angry Man (talk) 16:08, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Impeccable? One is described as "A story of rediscovery - of two North Carolinian's returning to their roots in the state's Eastern provinces", and another is a children's book which contains a whopping five sentences on Blackbeard". The third is a short newspaper report by a journalist who probably spent 20 minutes writing it. Parrot of Doom 16:26, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Yes impeccable, the two books used are from academic publishers, one being a university press. You cannot say they are not reliable sources. The Last Angry Man (talk) 18:51, 28 May 2011 (UTC)