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Bung Karno Stadium

WP:FLAGCRUFT didn't tell us cannot use flag icon in succession box about sports venue.Hoising (talk) 11:36, 26 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Correct, it doesn't *specifically* say one cannot use "flag icon's in succession box". There are many other things it doesn't say. But it *does* say one cannot use flags for purely *decorative* purposes. Please explain why you need to have a flag? --Merbabu (talk) 11:40, 26 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Custom only, all Asian Cup Final Venue use flag icon. Hoising (talk) 11:45, 26 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
You say "custom *only*". Well, custom is not a valid reason because the custom can be wrong. Tradition "only" is a bad reason. If it is a good tradition then keep it, but if it is a bad tradition, remove it. So, since you say this is the "only" reason, the issue is now resolved. thanks --Merbabu (talk) 11:47, 26 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
You create your custom... And you have no valid reason. Anyway, can you change all pages to your right ? Don't be rude, please. Hoising (talk) 11:52, 26 February 2009 (UTC
3 questions: What custom did I create? Where did I say "your right"? Specifically, how I am rude? --Merbabu (talk) 11:54, 26 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I don't want to debate with you. Can you change all Asian Cup Final Venue pages to one mode? Hoising (talk) 11:57, 26 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
No, i don't want to debate you either - i just want you to stick to wikipedia policy, unless you a good reason to make an exception (which you haven't provided). No, i will not go through and change other articles. As I said, wikipedia doesn't work on "custom" or consistency, and I have no obligation to do so. Now that I have made you aware of the policy, perhaps you could remove the flags to make the Asian Cup Final thing comply. thanks in advance. --Merbabu (talk) 12:00, 26 February 2009 (UTC)-[reply]
  • I check the reason, add the flag because the succession box did not show the countries. (show the city only, we cannot understand the host country) The flag is not decorative objects! Hoising (talk) 01:32, 22 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
then the sucession box is at fault. The country name should be written instead. No need for flags. --Merbabu (talk) 01:48, 22 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It not overuse because of the unit of the host. Contrary of your idea, wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information.Hoising (talk) 02:07, 22 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I have written the country names instead. We can't assume everyone recognizes countries' flags. Better use words. Problem solved. Cheers. --Merbabu (talk) 02:12, 22 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Please drop it now - you have reverted - made your point - and shown your english - you are into dangerous territory if you try telling other editors what to do with your level of english - cheers SatuSuro 02:48, 22 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, drop it now... I am not danger. You are impatience to explain only.Hoising (talk) 04:22, 22 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hong Kong Community Shield 2009

Well done! You've done a good job in this article. =]--Antonytse (talk) 15:31, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Joe Hart

Hello. Not sure why you keep removing the {{England U21 Squad Euro 2009}} template from Joe Hart. He was a member of that squad, as shown at 2009 UEFA European Under-21 Football Championship squads and in the UEFA match reports, e.g. the semifinal, where he scored in the penalty shootout. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 12:42, 22 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • When a player changes club, we replace the previous club squad template with that of the new club, but squads for national team competitions are treated differently. If a player is in the squad for a national team competition, whether it's at under-21 or senior level, then that squad template is kept as a historical record. As at James Milner, who was also in the 2009 under-21 squad and the current WC squad, or at Pelé, who was in 4 World Cup squads, all 4 of which are correctly included in his page. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 13:32, 22 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, maybe you don't understand what I'm saying. We don't remove international competition squad templates from player articles. It doesn't matter if the template is for the 2009 UEFA European Under-21 Football Championship or the 2006 FIFA World Cup or the 2010 Africa Cup of Nations. If the player was in the squad, then they keep the template. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 15:15, 22 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Under-21 is youth; FIFA World Cup and Africa Cup of Nations are senior. We both know that. I don't understand what point you're trying to make. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 16:52, 22 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"Van" vs "van"

If you read this page, you will see that when Giovanni van Bronckhorst is referred to without his first name, he is referred to as "Van Bronckhorst", not "van Bronckhorst". Van Bommel, De Zeeuw and Van der Vaart are also referred to with capitalised names. – PeeJay 15:02, 7 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sky Sports also does the same, as do The Guardian and The Telegraph. – PeeJay 15:12, 7 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia's policy is to use names as they appear in English-language media. I have shown you several extremely reputable sources that capitalise the "Van"; can you do the same? – PeeJay 15:13, 7 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Would you like me to show you several English-language sources that use "Cote d'Ivoire" as well? – PeeJay 15:28, 7 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Okay... one global website - Yahoo! Netherlands v Japan, Fixtures and Results Hoising (talk) 15:33, 7 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Those sites you have shown me only support my position. Read the live commentary of the Netherlands v Japan game. – PeeJay 15:37, 7 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Hey guy ... Please read the lineup. Hoising (talk) 15:40, 7 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
You have completely missed the point of what I was saying. When the name is written with a first name or initial, of course the "van" is not capitalised, but when there is no first name or initial, it is capitalised. – PeeJay 15:42, 7 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
??? missed point ??? Capitalized in Netherlands v Japan since the auto-capitalize function for the paragraph. For the lineup, the writer understand how to handle the preposition. The point of what I was saying is written name should be follow the original rule of each country. Hoising (talk) 15:48, 7 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Again, you obviously don't understand. In the line-up, the surnames are preceded by the initial of the player's first name, hence why it is not capitalised. Get a clue. – PeeJay 15:53, 7 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Do you know what is the different between Rate Players and Lineup? Did you read all lines in the Live Commentary and nobody want his named shown in wrong words. Hoising (talk) 16:00, 7 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
OK, settle down, I didn't see the line-up bit. Nevertheless, one example out of many is not sufficient proof that the names should not be capitalised. – PeeJay 16:02, 7 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Put this problem to the Community should be better. Hoising (talk) 16:07, 7 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
This has been discussed by the WP:FOOTY community several times. See here, here and here. – PeeJay 16:13, 7 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
No source? You mean the personal experiences of several residents of the Netherlands don't count? – PeeJay 16:18, 7 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
How many people said two thousands and ten(2010) before? The answer should be found in the offical documents. Hoising (talk) 16:30, 7 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
OK, you've lost me now. You're talking nonsense. – PeeJay 16:31, 7 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Nonsense you are. Hoising (talk) 16:38, 7 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
And now you're resorting to "I know you are but what am I" retorts? Grow up. – PeeJay 16:39, 7 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Just

I discover you have a great problem. It is not easy to say, such as, you believe the news from skysports (company) and unbelieve the news(differ) from FIFA (government). It is very laughable. Hoising (talk) 16:20, 7 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

What are you talking about? FIFA.com also capitalises the surnames when written without a first name. See here. – PeeJay 16:23, 7 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
What's your point? – PeeJay 16:27, 7 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
government > company in sometime. Hoising (talk) 16:37, 7 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
No, you're still not making any sense. What are you alluding to? – PeeJay 16:39, 7 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Bad analytical. (I understand it is very rude, so I don't want to say that.) Hoising (talk) 16:41, 7 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
"Bad analytical"? Analytical of what? – PeeJay 16:45, 7 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The true. Change you attitude... don't be a child with high ed. Hoising (talk) 16:46, 7 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
In what way have I misrepresented the truth? – PeeJay 16:48, 7 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The media may be wrong but we are not short. Media misrepresented the truth and we would got it. However, the base of the event must show the truth. This is no right/wrong, just talk. Hoising (talk) 16:55, 7 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I take it, then, that you have not read WP:VERIFY. Wikipedia's policy is "verifiability, not truth". And since more sources verify the usage I have posited than that which you have posited, we should stick to the way things were. – PeeJay 17:06, 7 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I read but one is more precise and otherone is less precise. Why you can take the less precise one and responsibility is nothing. Attitude. Hoising (talk) 17:20, 7 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
See *. Belligerent and Stubborn. No more I want to say. Hoising (talk) 01:25, 8 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Dong Fangzhuo

Hi, I read that article about Chinese naming practices, but I saw nothing in there that said we have to refer to Dong by his full name. He was the only player by that name in the China squad for the Olympics, so his surname should suffice. After all, this is the English Wikipedia and we should do things the same way the English-language media do. By the way, here is an example of only Dong's surname being put on his shirt. – PeeJay 08:39, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Anyway, you just see the shirt names of Chinese, Koreans and Hongkonger in FIFA. Or read the templates of chinese clubs or koreans clubs. If you are in China or Korea, no body will call other people by surname. Are you lived in these country?? Hoising (talk) 08:46, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I lived in Singapore for 7 years, that's close enough. Anyway, I can tell this conversation is going to be futile, since you're obviously going to be as obdurate about this as you were with the Dutch names issue. – PeeJay 08:54, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Singapore ... LOL. Look at Singapore national football team, most people take his surname for shirt name since there are not chinese characters! Look at the templates:

this is the only method to identify Chinese people. Hoising (talk) 09:10, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

But Dong DOES NOT NEED IDENTIFYING. He is the only one with that name in the squad, so there is NO NEED to put his given name. – PeeJay 09:22, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
In this Olympic match in 7 August 2008, You can see the Z. for Zhuo in Dong Fangzhuo. Please respect all Chinese people. Don't take this as a joke. Hoising (talk) 09:31, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
In my experience it is fairly common practice to use the full name in the context of teams or large groups of people with Chinese or Korean names. For this player at this tournament there might be no ambiguity, but for most instances there will be ambiguity for at least some members of the team, and thus the standard has developed. I'd err on the side of including the full name - it doesn't look particularly unusual or out of place to me. Knepflerle (talk) 12:50, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I have no problem with changing it, just so long as we get a consensus about the issue. I resent people coming along and unilaterally altering content for which they have not achieved a consensus. – PeeJay 14:14, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Stubborn guy finally woke. Hoising (talk) 05:39, 28 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Please do not attack other editors. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. – PeeJay 07:34, 28 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hong Kong templates

Hi there.

Nice for you to update the template. I don't think you realised the colours already used by all the templates. Some of the template colours should be reflected by its topic. For example the {{HKIA}} template should follow the {{Demographics and culture of Hong Kong}} templates. e.g. green colour theme for the tourism and culture templates. Same with the {{Shopping centres in Hong Kong}}. You changed them all to purple without consensus.

The purple colour theme is used for the government and political templates only. You can check all the templates here: Category:Hong Kong Government templates. And all templates here Category:Hong Kong templates.

Anyway, I'm not going to revert, it will be silly to argue about colour themes as ugly and inconsistent it may look. I just want to let you know the colour scheme for all the templates are out of sync. Takamaxa (talk) 12:03, 18 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hi HS, sorry for the late reply. Thanks for replying and your response. My intention was let you know about the colours that existed before you and I edited, thats all. But do feel free to continue with changes as I know (WP:AGF) you want them to be consistent as well. Who knows, these new colours you put on there make one get used to it as well. have a good one. Takamaxa (talk) 11:50, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Shanghai

你唔可以將上海同廣東比。上海戰前係一個唔係完全由中國人統治嘅地方，同香港嘅情況相似。上海亦擁有自己嘅足球聯賽，甚至比香港更早成立。--FootballHK (talk) 10:43, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

按照你的意思，也應把澳門那場刪去吧？我們不應把現在的情況應用於1913年或1939年。--FootballHK (talk) 11:01, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

上海西聯會是聯合國部隊；上海足球總會則最終收編為中國足協的地方總會；兩者定位如何可想而知。至於香港全華班（冇洋將嘅老虎隊）更曾在1915年的第二屆遠東運動會前與上海隊爭奪代表中國的資格，可見上海隊不能與香港的代表隊劃一而計。澳門跟香港情況相同，還是香港跟上海的情況相同，不應偷換概念。另外，為了這問題，我查了資料，滬港盃的香港是港聯隊，不是香港隊。相反，港澳埠際賽除了1937年4月18日及1938年5月8日兩場香港由乙組球員的聯隊出戰外，1939年起一直都以香港隊的名義出賽。hoising (talk) 14:49, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

收編為地方總會和這個問題沒關係吧，香港足球總會當時也是現英格蘭足總的地方總會。其餘事項稍後再研究，要上學了。--FootballHK (talk) 23:33, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]


Hong Kong FA Cup

Hi, I've noticed you've renamed a lot of articles recently from for example 2011 to 2010-11. These competitions were only played in 2011 or 2010 for instance, not over two years. The correct naming of these competitions is 2011 Hong Kong FA Cup, not 2010-11 Hong Kong FA Cup for example. Druryfire (talk) 13:22, 3 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Why did you use copy and paste to move the page from 2010 Hong Kong FA Cup to 2009-10 Hong Kong FA Cup? You should have used the move button when moving a page. Chanheigeorge (talk) 13:03, 6 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
BTW, the page should be at 2009–10 Hong Kong FA Cup, not 2009-10 Hong Kong FA Cup, using a dash instead of a hyphen. Chanheigeorge (talk) 13:14, 6 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hong Kong in Dynasty Cup

http://www.fifa.com/associations/association=hkg/fixturesresults/gender=m/index.html Hong Kong sent Hong Kong national football team for Dynasty Cup. You should check the record first. You are wrong. hoising (talk) 12:58, 6 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • For 1998 Dynasty Cup, FIFA had allowed Hong Kong sent her national football team with 3 HKID-hold expatriate players, that as same as edition of 1995, but the promise was overthrew by FIFA later. Anyway, Hong Kong sent her national football team for the tournament; even they are not count as 'A' matches. So, some of the overseas misunderstood that team is HK-IX. hoising (talk) 14:29, 6 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Abbreviation of clubs

South China同HKFC好明顯係兩個case嚟，唔可以混為一談。你自己都提到Common Name，南華一路都係叫開South China而港會係HKFC。 --FootballHK (talk) 15:18, 17 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • 好心你諗下先改啦，由始至終HKFC都係Abbreviation，人地內文淨用Hong Kong Football Club全名架大佬, 用Hong Kong FC已經係short 咗form就返個位啦大哥。你尊重下事實好唔好；又HKFC又HKFA又HKFM。完全睇唔到囉大哥。你一路叫開standardised自己洗埋腦，理你咩？駛唔駛叫港會人地改咗個名佢？hoising (talk) 15:35, 17 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
你要用Hong Kong FC就真係要人改名。人哋一路都係叫開自己Hong Kong Football Club或者HKFC。用Google搵一搵：
唔爭在睇埋足總網英文平時點叫開港會：HKFC, Hong Kong Football Club (no results), Hong Kong FC (no results)
--FootballHK (talk) 15:44, 17 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • 足總用咩名同人地真名好似無咩關係囉，而545 results入面成堆標題。咁"Hong Kong FC"約有 49,900,000 項結果點計？我想講你知有時唔係作個＂HKFA入面冇Hong Kong FC" Counter就大哂，係事實先行。HKFC係一個用作主辦項目前面嘅Abbreviation，Hong Kong Football Club係真名，我冇否定但限於長度用Hong Kong FC。只係用個俾人睇嘅常用名，無其他。hoising (talk) 15:57, 17 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • 常用於MSN掛？平時我同啲鬼仔講嘢用Hong Kong FC同HKFC都有，不過Wiki係User-friendly嘅地方，行內人字眼唔係期期通用；你睇下各大體育傳媒文章內會用Hong Kong FC就明，一般人唔知HKFC standard for 咩，你係要人明講人話，用Hong Kong FC。我唔排除有人睇開波，鍾愛HKFA嘅Chan Lap Ming同Ju Ying Zhi，你明我講乜。hoising (talk) 16:18, 17 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • 我寫咗咁多Google結果就係話你聽絕大多數人都係用HKFC多啲，唔係限於MSN內。HKFC TV嘅Facebook專頁都係叫自己做HKFC。雖然我唔知你講各大體育傳媒文章指嘅係咩，但係我睇The Standard同SCMP都係用HKFC多。HKFC呢個字唔見得有唔User-friendly嘅地方。重有就係，喺Wikipedia啲人唔知HKFC係咩係可以撳入去睇，正正係好多articles都用簡寫嘅原因。--FootballHK (talk) 16:27, 17 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • 我唔知你點解以為Google多就等如啱啦，啲link又有圖又有Short form網址同人地個壇，formal少少嘅難出。HKFC TV緊係用Short form啦！TV都Short form囉。Youtube咁informal同你formal咩？乜都Short Form撳入去睇唔駛打，咁不如全Short Form？不如叫人唔好跟Grammar。成篇文章咁多障礙，點無障礙？點睇？篇篇文章都左link右link，啲文章睇字出唔到意思，廢哂，仲唔係唔User-friendly？hoising (talk) 16:36, 17 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • 用Google嘅results數量做比較係Wikipedia嘅慣常做法之一。另外，我講緊嘅係HKFC TV入面自己叫港會做HKFC，唔係講緊「HKFC TV」呢個名。而且我唔明你講「HKFC TV緊係用Short form啦！TV都Short form囉。」嘅意思，係咪即係話「FC都short form囉，short form緊係用HKFC」？大家再咁拗落去都唔會有共識，冇意思。 --FootballHK (talk) 16:55, 17 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • 另外我想講下有關「好心你得閒打下內容，做啲貢獻啦！」。你要明白大家嘅生活、興趣、能力都唔同，大家focus嘅嘢都唔同，你唔應該要求我為Wikipedia貢獻咁多嘢。我鍾意負責「執bug」，整下球員stub咁。而且我有幾個Wikipedia戶口，我由2004年寫到而家，有6年半，我所貢獻嘅遠遠超你所想，我係準備淡出，交畀你呢啲咁有heart嘅人去做，將你團火用喺貢獻Wikipedia到比用喺我度更好。考完公開試係有好多嘢可以去做去貢獻社會或者為香港足球出一分力，唔係剩係Wikipedia，而我正正喺其他方面做緊嘢。睇到我淡出你開心了，我決定之後唔再用呢個account改英文wikipedia，唔改呢度有關香港足球嘅嘢，當我忍唔到手嗰陣或者會現身另一個account，但都唔會改得耐。以後就靠你同幾個月前active返嘅Checkiema好好合作。以上就係我呢個account喺英文wiki唔計自己user page嘅最後一個edit。--FootballHK (talk) 16:55, 17 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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