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The trial of 47 medical personnel, accused of working against the government during large protests in Bahrain earlier this year resumes and is immediately adjourned; human rights groups say Bahrain is targeting medical professionals for treating protesters. (CNN)
Seven civilians, including children, are killed by two separate roadside mines in Afghanistan's eastern Ghazni Province; an 8-year-old girl was killed when militants gave her a remote-controlled explosive in a bag and told her to give it to police officers in Oruzgan Province. (CNN)
The Pakistani Taliban said two of the three suicide bombers who killed 10 police officers Saturday in northwestern Pakistan were a married couple; 15 policemen were taken hostage by other miltants before security forces killed six of them. (CNN)
One person is killed during an attack on a train in Sudan. (BBC)
Iran announces plans to conduct a military exercise and test the Sajjil long-range missile, which is reportedly capable of striking Israel or southeastern Europe. (The Jerusalem Post)
Tropical Storm Meari leaves at least nine people dead and three missing as it strikes the west coast of South Korea, with heavy rains and strong winds causing flooding and the suspension of sea traffic around the Korean Peninsula.(CNN)
Police clash with local residents who object to Italian government plans to build a European Union-funded rail link with France near their homes in the Italian Alps. The police intervention follows a peaceful candlelight nighttime prayer vigil featuring thousands of people. (BBC)
Up to 750,000 teachers and civil servants in the United Kingdom are set to strike on Thursday after talks aimed at averting the action failed to broker an agreement. (BBC)
More than 30 activists are held in detention in Malaysia ahead of a mass rally in Kuala Lumpur asking for an end to fraud. The government declares the rally "illegal". (BBC)
The asteroid which is bound to pass relatively close to Earth's surface at a distance of about 12,000 kilometers (7,500 mi), roughly 32 times closer than the Moon, at around 17:00 UTC. - EugεnS¡m¡on(14) ®09:20, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
From The Examiner (not the greatest of sources, but it will do for now): "Although it is acknowledged this asteroid will pass very near our planet, it is not the closest; because on February 4 this year, another space object passed just there-thousand-eight-hundred miles from earth's surface. The "2011 MD" has between twenty-five and fifty feet in diameter and will be the largest object to pass close by Earth since running the small celestial bodies control program, "Near Earth Objects" (NEO)."
If I remember my days of studying astronomy well, ten-meter asteroids actually hit the Earth every year or so? If someone could confirm that such a thing is actually the case, I would oppose this nomination. NW(Talk)11:23, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
A Syrian military spokesman says more than 400 members of security forces have been killed in the months-long unrest as videos surface allegedly showing children killed in the violence. (CNN)
Following accusations by the Foreign Press Association that Israel is intimidating journalists on the 10-ship flotilla due to sail to the Gaza Strip, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says that the journalists will not to be sanctioned. (The Guardian)(The Jerusalem Post)
At least 25 people are killed and many others are wounded after a bomb explodes in Maiduguri. (BBC)(The Guardian)
Arts and culture
More than one million people participate in São Paulo's 15th Gay Pride March following the recent improvement in the legal rights afforded to the country's gay community. (BBC)
The Senate of Canada passes a back-to-work bill imposing a labour contract for 48,000 Canada Post employees resulting in a return-to-work by Tuesday. (CBC)
Support for now. Not sure how important it is but "River Plate into football 'abyss'" is "most popular" on the BBC website right now, it is being reported as far away as China and the United States, it's the first time it has happened, the game was "abandoned in the final minute, amid chaotic scenes", fans invaded the pitch, police fired on fans, and South America does not appear enough on ITN. --candle•wicke23:00, 26 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose According to the article, River Plate as played poorly since 2008, so I wouldn't be surprised that it was relegated to the secondary league despite its decorated history. Compared to the relegation of several major club teams in the 2006 Serie A scandal, this might be underwhelming. It is an unfortunate turn of events, but it was coming. I didn't see any big names on its roster either. —Arsonal (talk + contribs)— 01:06, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The point is not that it was "unexpected", but that it was a rare event. It is not impossible that one of the most successful teams of a league gets demoted to a lower league, but it's very rare, a series of bad results are hardly ever so bad that they get to this. That's why so many newspapers around the world talk about it, when they would hardly say a line about Argentine football otherwise. Cambalachero (talk) 01:20, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support Chelsea (say) getting kicked out of the Premiership would be a seriously big deal, I think this is worthy of posting. The Serie A scandal is different. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 07:07, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The system's not exactly the same, though. In England, one really bad season is all it takes. In Argentina, you'd need three bad seasons as the club performance is averaged in three years, plus they'd go through a two-legged playoff, so it's not entirely a shock if you're a fan. –HTD07:20, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment This is a tricky one for ITN. It's been significant news for most of the past three weeks for most southern hemisphere countries. It's had a huge impact on air travel, but generally invisible to northern hemisphere folk unless they are travelling to or from one of the affected countries. Naturally, as time goes on, the impact simply increases in its sum effect. It's something that all citizens of the lands affected have become aware of over the past three weeks. I believe it should be here because of its total impact, but it's hard to say exactly how and where. Rather than other editors just dismissing it, like that post above, I'd like some informed and intelligent discussion of how ITN should deal with this kind of spread out event, where the normal rules don't work. HiLo48 (talk) 02:27, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Let's follow-up this evolvment and try to pick up somethings singificant to post. 'continues' isn't as such signficant. --Kslotte (talk) 09:59, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
That post seems to ignore everything I said above. Of course "continues" isn't significant under our normal policies. But this is like Boiling frogs. Nothing dramatic happens at any single point, but the frog ends up dead. Can ITN handle boiling frogs? HiLo48 (talk) 10:33, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support This is a group of hackers where no evident Political, Nationalist, Religious, Military, or entrepreneural affiliation or goals have redefined how we look at cyber warfare The relative ease which they seem to have walked through dozens of topnotch and supposedly "secure" systems also redefines the possibility of what a small loosely knit group can do. The Resident Anthropologist(talk)•(contribs) 18:06, 26 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment personally, I don't know if this should go up. I would support technically because these guys were apparently the ones who hacked into the US government sites, but this group has only become notable in the past month or so and has pretty much been in the shadow of Anonymous in the minds of the public. Furthermore, with a group like this, I don't think anyone can take a move like this seriously. Everyone in the group will still be doing what they do. It isn't like this disbandment announcement doubles as a "we are all going to move to Tahiti and become Christian monks" thing. --PlasmaTwa220:05, 26 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Two months ago I would have agreed but as I said the concept of cyber warfare and cyber terrorism has been redefined. My personally theory is that they have been hired by a 3rd party after their two month long publicity stunt. The Resident Anthropologist(talk)•(contribs) 20:35, 26 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Group of internet nerds get some DDOS attacks in during their lunch breaks, and suddenly they're notable? Nothing in this story is worth front page attention doktorbwordsdeeds20:37, 26 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose We're honestly considering posting this over NY gay marriage? Their DDOS attacks had minimal impact compared to the New York legislature's actions, even on a global scale. NW(Talk)21:45, 26 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per NW. There are plenty of more notable events that should be posted overtop of this. And just FYI, I think they're disbanding because one of their members had his personal webpage hacked by another group and they were threatened with the reveal of personal and identifying information if they continue mindless DDoS attacks. Regards, MacMedtalkstalk22:04, 26 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think comparisons to other items that are being rejected are reasonable. If you want to post the gay marriage thing make a solid comment in support there.
Taking such a negative line because people are possibly being inconsistent in their standards in another discussion isn't productive to the section as a whole. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 22:33, 26 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
oppose theri announcement doesnt mean anything as a new body with much claim of damage. Furthermore, most hack-attacks were done by Anyonymous, who are more notable
Oppose I'm not sure how much interest there is among our readers on this particular news, and I'm not sure we want to post something on the basis of what might happen as a result. Let it play out and post when something definite happens. RxS (talk) 18:21, 26 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
oppose intl talks happen all the time to no avbail, only need to mention when somethign happens
au contratire nominations warrant, by defintiion, a productive call for support. if you dont have nominatiin you dont get anythign posted, and certainly cant say that all nominations get posted, so this was a BOLD additionLihaas (talk) 11:42, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Article is excellent, but has already been featured. I would think LulzSec disbanding would be topical and current news, though there might be problem with finding consensus over the correct term to refer to them with. --hydrox (talk) 17:24, 26 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Well it was quite anticipatable. Not sure if there is a compelling need to post anything if there is just nothing to post, even if the template goes red. --hydrox (talk) 23:35, 26 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The Syrian military moves into two villages, one on the border with Turkey and the other on the border with Lebanon, with civilians reportedly being shot in the village near Lebanon. (BBC News), (AFP via Al Jazeera)
Syria's deputy foreign minister says anti-regime protests have been ignited and fueled by "extremist" groups with religious affiliations while a human rights group says 1,337 protesters have been killed since anti-regime protests began. (CNN)
Seventeen top footballers, some former members of the national team, defect to the side of the rebels, arriving to cheering crowds in the rebel stronghold of Zintan in western Libya. (CNN)(BBC)
A strengthening tropical storm affects parts of eastern China, causing flooding, while a prolonged drought plagues the northwest of the country. (UPI)(Xinhua)
Former Egyptian trade minister, Rashid Mohamed Rashid, is convicted in absentia of profiteering and unlawfully taking money from the country's Export Development Fund and is sentenced to five years in prison and fined nearly 9.4 million Egyptian pound ($1.6 million). (CNN)
Warns? I don't think people here would be enthusiastic when the NOAA tells Americans a big bad storm is approaching. –HTD13:46, 25 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think Hillary's comments are especially significant, but whatever is going on at the Turkey-Syria border might be and I could support a blurb that focuses on that if it's a significant development in the conflict/uprising/whatever we're calling it. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 15:14, 25 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that it should probably be changed to something more generally speaking about the Syrian forces gathering at the Syria-Turkey border. --~Knowzilla(Talk)17:28, 25 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose the blurb implies (as does HJ alternate idea) that the troops are massing on the border to invade Turkey. This is not the case, they are massing to prevent Pro-democracy activists from escaping across it. This is consistent with the pattern so far displayed in their crackdown. The Resident Anthropologist(talk)•(contribs) 02:18, 26 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
oppose its not a firs. we dotn have to give undue coverage to all 25-odd states that will legalise it. (although when it happens down south it may be something)Lihaas (talk) 08:36, 25 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment New York is actually larger in population than most of the nations that have allowed same-sex marriage so far. It is the third-largest state, with the largest and – arguably – most important city in the US. The implications of this could be huge for gay rights in the US, and the world. Yet people seem to constantly misinterpret the first part of what makes an ITN item, and completely ignore the second. An item should be notable (no, that doesn't mean equal time for all 192 UN member states), and the article should be properly updated (which is the real problem in this case, though no-one seems to care about that). Lampman (talk) 13:02, 25 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Similar changes in the law are being rolled out all over the place. The frequency with which they are proposed here is getting daft. Not a first, not a last bastion of previous values, just one more link in a domino effect: NY is only more important to people in NY. Kevin McE (talk) 13:39, 25 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
No, that would be California. Oppose as this does not set a precedent, nor is it notable outside of the whole New York City angle. --PlasmaTwa213:53, 25 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Yep, see Perry v. Schwarzenegger, but the ruling of the US federal district court for Northern California has been stayed by federal 9th Circuit court, so California only recognizes same-sex marriages which were performed within the six months prior to prop 8 as ruled by the California Supreme Court until the stay is lifted. The case is now being appealed to the 9th Circuit, pending answers on procedural matters by the California Supreme Court (as California's Governor and AG have refused to appeal the case, who are named as defendants in it). --~Knowzilla(Talk)17:28, 25 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Looking at the navigation template it is marked "conditional" so that says something. So currently, is NY the largest jurisdiction that allows same sex marriage unconditionally? –HTD14:09, 25 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
This doesn't really affect the 19 million New Yorkers only. For example, a gay couple in Iowa can go to New York and have their marriage "validated". So technically, once a U.S. state legalizes same sex marriage, it's like legalizing it in the entire country of 300 million people, provided they (gay couples) can actually go there. –HTD17:45, 25 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
In that case, all this change does is save New Yorkers having to visit one of the five other states that already have such legislaetion, so it is even less notable. Kevin McE (talk) 21:33, 25 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Eh... I really don't think couples would just "go there." To avail of rights associated with marriage you should actually reside; for example, you can't say the authorities in Iowa that since you married in NY, they should recognize that you should adopt and jointly own property, etc. –HTD02:26, 26 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I was going in the fact that someone told me that "technically, once a U.S. state legalizes same sex marriage, it's like legalizing it in the entire country": if that was incorrect, I'll refer you back to the person who misinformed me. Kevin McE (talk) 16:57, 26 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The key word in that statement is "like," and add in "technically." If you don't understand those, or willfully won't acknowledge those words exist, then something's wrong with your reading comprehension. –HTD17:15, 26 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support - New York is a highly populated state and in turn this affects more people than some countries that have legalised it. Also what about the slant, it is paving way for more states as NY has been seen as a big hot seat in the Rights movement in the past.Rain the 1BAM14:54, 25 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. This is getting more and more common, which I think makes each one a little less significant. We've posted quite a few of these, and now I think it's time to draw a line and start posting those which are not just significant, but truly exceptional. An amendment to to the US Constitution would be exceptional, as would the legalisation of same-sex marriage in Alabama or possibly Texas or some other state known for being a long way to the right of the political spectrum. But I think it's time to stop posting all of these and that it's a good day for freedom when this becomes relatively routine. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 15:12, 25 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support per Knowzilla, having more news hits than anything else on the ITN front page combined seems like a pretty good reason to post it. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 17:31, 25 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
This will also probably pwn the ITN articles in page views too, without benefit of a main page exposure so... –HTD17:48, 25 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Meets all of the ITN criteria. Quality article, reader interest, lots of media coverage, certainly not trivial: NY has more people than all of the other gay-marriage jurisdictions in the US combined. It's not like ITN has been deluged with U.S. gay marriage items, and if I am not mistaken, this is the first time a sizable state has enacted gay marriage through a legislative vote rather than a court decision -- a true landmark. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 03:58, 26 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as per the obvious exaggeration of the news. We used to post only allowments in the countries, not any other federal subjects, so I don't care what is the influence of the state of New York and what is its population now. The fact that I oppose this is mainly because it's not a sovereign country, and that this news only dashed through the world's media. When in 2009 Sweden and Norway did it, it was much more covered than this one. If the United States allows such marriages, I'll surely vote support.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 11:59, 26 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
There lies the problem: in the United States, the national legislature cannot decide whether or not to permit same-sex marriage, only the state legislatures can. The only way to change that is by an amendment to the US Constitution. Alternatively if, for example Perry v. Schwarzenegger succeeds, and the US Supreme Court declares that restricting marriage to opposite-sex couples only is a violation of the Equal Protection & Due Process clauses of the American Constitution, will the entire US recognize same-sex marriage. But that will take several years to reach the Supreme Court, and when it comes to legislating on the subject, only state legislatures can do so (the federal government can only decide whether or not to recognize a certain marriage in respect to federal benefits). --~Knowzilla(Talk)16:37, 26 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support but only if the blurb mentions that NY is the most populous state so far to allow these marriages. That is much more significant to mention than it is the 6th. --mav (reviews needed) 12:55, 26 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
As important as it is and as much as I am a supporter of the right for anyone to marry whomever they should happen to love, I oppose this being in ITN. HJ Mitchell touched on it already by saying that this is becoming a not-so-uncommon event. I appreciate the step that NY took by passing this, but it doesn't really mean that much to me, given that there are still 44 other states that don't allow it. StrikerforceTalkReview me!14:01, 26 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose It seems these get nominated every time. In the past we haven't posted when entire countries adopt gay marriage or other forms of civil union, yet alone individual states. This isn't the first, nor will it be the last, it is simply a continuation of changing attitudes. As such I can't see how it can be held to be of sufficient notability. Crispmuncher (talk) 16:42, 26 June 2011 (UTC).[reply]
I think ITN did post something about a certain country adopting this measure. Heck we did post Malta allowing the parliament to consider making a divorce law (not at the point of legalizing divorce, which will probably be posted again), and that's the 200th country to do that. –HTD17:15, 26 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support if it's not an uncommon event (as many opposers state) why is it receiving so much media coverage? Also how "common" of an event can it be if only 10 of the worlds almost 200 countries allow gay marriage? Hot Stop(c)16:47, 26 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Too right above. TBH it isn't that common, it isn't like it happens everyday. Celebs die more often and get posted here. Not sure why something that affects millions, which is does, gets opposition. (Considering some didn't want it and will now be annoyed and the rest who wanted it are happy.) I watch out for gay issues quite a bit here, and more often than not it is met with this joke. So for the first time I'm wondering about some peoples motives for opposing. That is just my opinion, it could be clouded too.Rain the 1BAM19:53, 26 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
It's not being gay... more like this being a US-centric (and not even national in scope) issue that drives people here to oppose. –HTD20:24, 26 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
'Support' big news in just about all corners of the world. NYC is the size of many nations, and a great concentration of Wikipedia readership without a doubt. --hydrox (talk) 21:22, 26 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support - a huge story in the media this weekend. Historic change in a major state of the US. Opposers fail to convince me to !vote to keep this off of the Main Page. Jusdafax22:52, 26 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment at 13-9 in support and possible issues with US biaz, which should obviously be discounted I was going to add [Ready?] to get an admin to check consensus, however the article still doesn't look updated sufficiently. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 22:58, 26 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
This to me is far more notable than most of the events on the template currently, and it will have a significant impact on the lives of millions of people. The arguments against seem to boil down to the a) this happens 'all the time' and b) It's not a 'national' issue. Many people have already pointed out that NY state is far more populous than most countries. Furthermore, as pointed out, this is the primary way people in the US political system receive this right in the US. IMO this is not analogous to a US gubernatorial election of a large state, which is less significant than the election of a sovereign head of state because a sovereign head of state has many powers a governor does not have. As to the 'this happens all the time' argument--full legal marriage rights are still extremely rare globally. I think the legalisation of same sex marriage of a jurisdiction the size of NY is ITN worthy even if it is not unprecedented. Surely we would post if it were legalised in the UK, despite that it wouldn't be the first European country to do so.--Johnsemlak (talk) 23:40, 26 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support - As a liberal state this hardly surprises but this is a matter that will largely be settled one state at a time verses at a federal level. MarcusQwertyus02:12, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I was just looking at "Today's Front Pages" at www.newseum.org and noticed this was on the front page of the Calcutta Telegraph in India as well as La Stampa in Turin, Italy. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 03:03, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The update is split over two places, but there is an update, and people are whining we haven't posted it in other sections. On votes alone its 60-40 Marking [ready?]. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 07:09, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
How about the maybe the two hundredth country to grant divorce? Well they didn't necessarily grant divorce but nobody stopped that one from being posted. –HTD08:58, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support. I found Johnsemlak's and Knowzilla's arguments rather persuasive. But since I am expressing my opinion I am not the best person to post this. --BorgQueen (talk) 08:06, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Both now and November 1 are possibilities. I would prefer posting now, because his appointment is news right now. Thue | talk18:13, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support posting the highest ranked govt. minister convicted (if such she is), oppose posting first woman: chromosomes do not make offences more or less important. Kevin McE (talk) 13:49, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, I'm personally not bothered what the blurb says, but you might want to tell the Guardian, Telegraph, Associated Press etc. that. :) She's not the highest ranking, the Prime Minister of the country was previously convicted. However, this is still news right? I'm not familiar with ITN - this is my first submission, but this is making (lots of) headlines, I only came to the article after reading about her on the BBC website, and presumably that's kind of the point, to help readers locate articles on events they've just read about? --BelovedFreak14:07, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The Japanese national broadcasting company NHK captures images of the Chinese Navy navigating the high seas between the islands of Japan's Okinawa prefecture. (NHK)
The United Nations says more cocaine is consumed in Scotland than any other country in the world, not the first time this has happened. The country also consumes more heroin than anywhere else in the United Kingdom. (BBC)
Comment by nominator I feel Falk meets the death criteria as a particularly notable individual in his field. Columbo alone was notable for a long (35 year) run, and Falk was the only recurring principal character throughout. Number of edits to the article today show a reasonable level of interest although admittedly the death section is in need of expansion. Crispmuncher (talk) 19:01, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose, because there is nothing "important" in this as news, but the sort of item that makes me wish we had a more prominent Recent deaths section, even if just a string of names on the MP. Kevin McE (talk) 19:53, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support per Mjroots. As far back as the 1960's Falk was a noted motion picture actor, as witnessed in his participation in the seminal comedy It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World which included virtually every major funnyman in Western culture. And prior to that, his acting was honored with back-to-back nominations [4] for the Academy Award for Best Supporting Actor. As Mjroots points out, his work in Columbo alone is worthy of serious notability, and his obituaries are all over the media today, from the New York Times to the BBC. Peter Falk's death is ITN-worthy, in my view. Jusdafax19:54, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Death was not unexpected, he was no longer active, and there is no impact on current events. He wasn't one of the greats of his profession: in an industry that dishes out awards by the bucketload, he appears to have won zero. Nothing in his life would have made ITN, so why should his death? As above, this is "recent deaths" material. --Mkativerata (talk) 20:45, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support, as Columbo alone makes him notable enough. As to Mkativerata comment, I wonder if only assassinations are ITN material? People dying of old age aren't? Maddox (talk) 20:57, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Just a factor. I'm not saying all old-age deaths are non-ITN worthy, just that it is one of a number of factors to be considered. Reagan's death at 93 was ITN material, no doubt about it. --Mkativerata (talk) 21:02, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Two of the links I used (BBC and Veja) talked about his influenced before his death. The article Peter Falk uses a ton more. You want reports from which decade? Maddox (talk) 01:30, 25 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
"seriously influential " and what is that basedon? (the statement that is)
To give an example from the Summer 2011 edition of Intelligent Life (page 38) - published by the Economist the headline on one of their articles on the environmental movement states "The way greens make their points can be irritating, They need to be more like Lieutenant Columbo". -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 09:04, 25 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Lihass, is that your opinion? Or is that statement based upon reliable sources? I ask because the sources pointed out above say otherwise, that he is very notable. I was not a Columbo viewer, wasn't even born then, but I looked up what the media was pointing, after and before his death, before saying he is or is not notable. Maddox (talk) 17:08, 25 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose He's not royalty, not former president of the US, not 'King' of anything, not winner of the Nobel Prize or any other major award. he died of old age – that makes at least 6 reasons why not. --Ohconfucius¡digame!13:08, 25 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment per the article he won 5 emmys, 4 for Columbo, and a golden globe. To claim he didn't win any major awards is highly dishonest. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 13:16, 25 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
My only comment I'll make here is that my Russian mother-in-law is a huge fan of Columbo, and it's probably the only American tv show she's ever watched regularly. His signifance clearly crosses borders. Otherwise I'm neutral, and I'm partial to Kevin's comment above that this is an example of something perfect for an expanded 'recent deaths' section.--Johnsemlak (talk) 09:44, 26 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I'm marking this ready, but will wait for another admin to review. I think there's a consensus to post this. If it was a straight vote it would probably have consensus, but we hope it's more than that. I think that looking at the discussion the opposes have been (mostly) answered with appropriate counter arguments. At least 2 of the opposers make points that aren't really relevant (BabbaQ and Ohconfucius). No one claims that every American actor gets posted, and certainly the list of positions mentioned by Ohconfucius are not the only ones that we post at ITN. In addition, Mkativerata's oppose if factually wrong (he won 5 Emmy's). I think we'd like to avoid a situation where editors can sink a nomination just by showing up without making any relevant justifications for the oppose "vote". I think this has consensus to post, but as I said I'll wait for another admin to review the points I've made since the posting may be challenged. I'd really like to see more analysis of discussion rather than scanning the bold support/oppose postings. RxS (talk) 18:07, 26 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Have we established consensus to relax our update requirements when the timer is red or when preexisting background information is the primary asset to readers (e.g. when someone led a noteworthy life but died under mundane circumstances)? I personally oppose the former and support the latter, but I don't recall the community agreeing to either. —David Levy19:40, 26 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
(ec) In fact I am not sure if we relaxed anything here. The minimum requirement is five sentences with references, and the update meets the requirement. --BorgQueen (talk) 20:00, 26 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
We don't merely count the number of sentences; we require that they convey a substantial amount of information beyond what's stated in the ITN blurb. In the case of a death, this typically includes details regarding its cause and/or societal impact. In this instance, we know only that Falk left behind relatives who intend to "remember his wisdom and humor." However, as suggested in the past, I support the idea of looking more to the content about people's lives (rather than imposing update requirements that aren't always realistic). I just don't recall the idea attaining consensus. (Of course, it's entirely possible that I missed a discussion.) —David Levy20:15, 26 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
From Wikipedia:In the news#Updated content: Changes in verb tense (e.g. "is" → "was") or updates that convey little or no new information beyond what is stated in the In the news blurb are insufficient. The decision as to when an item is updated enough is subjective, but a five-sentence update (with at minimum three references, not counting duplicates) is generally more than sufficient, while a one-sentence update is highly questionable. It appears that the "five-sentence update" example (intended to be a "general" rule of thumb) was copied over without the relevant context (i.e. that what those sentences convey matters). —David Levy20:36, 26 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I have added a paragraph with tributes to Falk from Steven Speilberg, Stephen Fry, and Rob Reiner, which should fix the problem. I must agree with David that this should have had a better update before posting. And by the way 5 sentences is not a minimum as is often stated; it is considered more than sufficient.--Johnsemlak (talk) 01:12, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support, an exceptional case of justice. I think the article needs to be improved a bit. I assume there will exist much more information to make the article more complete. --Kslotte (talk) 23:27, 23 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Some more argument why this is exceptional: 1. there still exist justice in a developing country, 2. policemen getting charges is rare in any country, 3. sentenced to death is a very strong "punishment" --Kslotte (talk) 09:42, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
oppose noty globally notable. you know how many activists have been improsioned/tortured/killed by state officials? and to pre-empt counter points, there are plenty of officers who are punished for it too. why is this more exceptional? (i can changemy vote if the arguement is convincing). at any rate, congo's judiciary doesnt hold great stead in legal independence.Lihaas (talk) 06:57, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support policeman extremely rarely get punished for behaving badly. Even in the UK, and where there is video evidence of the wrongdoing, it has taken its sweet time to even get the Ian Tomlinson case to court. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 07:13, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
oppose Lech Wałęsa's pneumonia is more newsworthy. I would support if it was a story about UK or US policemen; we're talking about the a third world country here... (undid two unnecessary links in blurb just in case it gets enough support). --Ohconfucius¡digame!08:16, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
True, but its taking its sweet time for the UK to punish a policeman for a death that there is video evidence for that has been published by a leading national newspaper. The UK has one of the world's least corrupt police forces and the best legal systems. That this hasn't been swept under the carpet is significant. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 08:04, 25 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Enormous volume of prejudicial assumption about the application of rule of law here: it would be nice to see something more informed than Hey, that's a country in Africa that I don't know much about. I bet the police are always killing people and getting away with it. I'd love to see some of those commenting above providing some data or reports from reputable NGOs to substantiate what otherwise seems to be crude racism. Surely the decision here is whether the fact that the death of this human rights campaigner was at the hands of the authorities (which, after a trial, is no longer a matter of contention) is notable in ITN terms. Note that the target article is not the trial. Kevin McE (talk) 09:31, 25 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support significant story from a budget airline. Shows that the Asians can run a good airline and that the Europeans can make good planes. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 19:01, 23 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I've updated AirAsia - looking at the news sources a lot of them were focused on Airbus, but I don't think its illegitimate to focus on AirAsia instead - or possibly both once the airbus article is also updated. Therefore as its a minority topic marking [Ready]. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 19:52, 23 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I bet many military aircraft orders are much larger than this. A quick glance on Google shows some F-16 orders in excess of 160.No opinion. MarcusQwertyus03:14, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Considering there are two links to AirAsia, and the fact that a link to 'budget airline' is a distraction at best; we don't need to link the country either. I've reverted the change. Anyways, it's the admin who decides, so the change is just for reference. --Ohconfucius¡digame!09:14, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Important, the conflict which has caused the displacement of 140,000 people still has not been mentioned on our front page!Olegwiki (talk) 12:23, 23 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support Good update but the rest of the article needs expansion. Need a better blurb that better incorporates the target article. MarcusQwertyus16:54, 23 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment while I respect your point Marcus, and certainly it'd be nice to required that (except that we'd never post anything), the update looks to meet the criteria. Marking [Ready]. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 20:33, 23 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
dodgy this, notable capture, but its not of global importance. though if ITN timer needs something then this is worthyLihaas (talk) 09:54, 23 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support. I was actually considering nominating this one myself if someone else hadn't. Lots of things are posted to ITN that aren't of "global importance" (e.g. right now we have "RusAir Flight 9605 crashes in Petrozavodsk, Russia, killing 44 people" listed). *** Crotalus ***14:14, 23 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
A Dutch court acquits right-wing politician Geert Wilders of hate speech charges for statements against Islam. (AP via Huffington Post, pretty major news (largest free-speech trial in the world at the moment, pretty big thing, lots of international news coverage). Polozooza (talk) 10:46, 23 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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