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Mesa State College

Yeah I'm sorry about that, I was in a hurry and forgot. Thanks for the reminder about Mesa State College. JLAmidei 14:49, 12 May 2011

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The Freewheelers

--Basvossen (talk) 10:34, 21 June 2011 (UTC)Bas Vossen June 21 2011, Mook, the Netherlands[reply]

hi,

i have no idea who or what you are. This is the last moment I will put any time in a group project. I am not a bureaucrat and the way wikipedia works is too bureaucratic and at the same time too much random.

Everything I have added here has been deleted and changed by you. You have no idea what band we have, nor have you ever seen one of our shows. Without any knowledge of what band we are, you put us in a BRITISH TV SHOW portal. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Freewheelers)

All my efforts have been ruined by you. At least should a search for 'freewheelers cello' lead to our band. We are the only group that is called the Freewheelers and has a cello central in the music and on stage.

Now it leads to some Chris Carmichael, who doesn't even play cello as his first instrument. Ilene McHolland does, and she did so first chair in the orchestra of Frank Sinatra and Sammy Davis, jr. She played cello in Plain James and opened with that band for Journey, Foreigner, Kansas and Rush. But maybe you don't know those names either....

We have toured intensively in Spain, and extensively in the Netherlands and California. We have never met the other Freewheeler band or heard anything from them, although we have tried to contact them. They are obviously busy with their new projects.

So tell me, why are you trying to ruin my band and efforts?

BasBasvossen (talk) 10:34, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Now just hold on a minute. You have absolutely no reason to come to my talk page and make demands like this. Yes we have an article Freewheelers which is about a TV show hence it has been added to the relevant project about British TV shows. Apparently there is also a band called The Freewheelers. Fine, so there might be. But in order for there to be a Wikipedia article about the band, it has to meet the notability requirements set out at WP:BAND. If it meets those requirements, the article would be called Freewheelers (band), you do not edit the TV show article to add stuff about the band. As you are connected with the band you have a conflict of interest, so should not create the article yourself, but you can ask for it to be created by following the process set out at WP:Requested articles. And next time, please assume good faith, and be a little less aggressive. – ukexpat (talk) 13:32, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The Signpost: 20 June 2011

Thank you!

Thank you for the move and the welcome, much appreciated. Kimabeaux (talk) 20:38, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Supernova Entertainment

Hey there,

Somewhat new to the Wikipedia game, although I do critical analysis and nonfiction research writing on the reg. Supernova (company) does not have a page but should be linked to several other Wikipedia entries (Battle of the Bands, Corus Entertainment, etc).

I have added the page but it has been deleted stating it is too much like advertising. However, all the elements of the page are factual and are not soliciting any kind of business. I had parked the article in my sandbox, and made a request to move; which has now been deleted. I would like to know if you have any recommendations specifically for this article?

Thanks Corecorina (talk) 22:11, 21 June 2011 (UTC).[reply]

Intent isn't the key here, it's tone -- even if all the elements of the page are factual and are not soliciting any kind of business, the tone of the article was promotional, hence the deletion. I suggest that you look at articles about other companies, such as Microsoft, Dow, BASF, and DuPont to see how they are written and structured. The important thing is to stick to only those things that can be verified by references to reliable sources, leaving out any editorialising, PR-speak, marketing fluff etc. Find and cite reliable sources that demonstrate that the company is notable per these guidelines. Hope this helps. – ukexpat (talk) 14:54, 22 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your help!

Just wanted to give a thank you for the speedy and direct response, greatly appreciated! Corecorina (talk) 14:55, 22 June 2011 (UTC).[reply]

New Page Has been Added: please review?

You were so helpful with your above comments, but it seems as soon as I put the page up it was again nominated for speedy deletion. This is frustrating as it doesn't appear that the article was read or reviewed, just immediately slotted for deletion. Can you review the page for Supernova (company) and provide any assistance? Thank you. Corecorina (talk) 14:31, 28 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Tally Solutions

Hi, Thanks for your feedback at [1], even though I have read the documentation on how to edit, your comments have given me insights :) I have made a small edit again on Tally_Solutions, hope it is better this time! Philip.wdme (talk) 06:57, 22 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yes that's better (I tweaked the reference formatting a little), but at the moment the article still has only one third party reference, the others are references to the company's own website. Additional third party references are essential. – ukexpat (talk) 14:47, 22 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Great! Editing wikipedia is so much fun now. Sure hope I can contribute to more topics, all thanks to you :) Philip.wdme (talk) 15:26, 22 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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You neat me to it – I was mulling adding a request to deal with the logo license issue first, then decided to simply remove it, but you were too quick for me!--SPhilbrickT 15:50, 22 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'm on a roll this morning! – ukexpat (talk) 15:52, 22 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Thanks

Hi, thanks for your copyedit of John McCauley (referee). Much appreciated, Jenks24 (talk) 03:51, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Landor Associates

Hi Ukexpat,

Yes, I work for the company, but I was trying very hard NOT to be promotional and only state the facts. We've had a number of people specifically ask us to update the page with our historical information. We have a long, interesting history as a firm. I, in fact, added a LOT of historical reference that weren't in the last version of the article. The notes from the last version indicated that things weren't documented properly -- and I documented everything I could. Is it the links to our case histories that you don't like? I will take them all out, I thought I was being useful to a reader, not promotional. I have a PhD from the University of Chicago and I used to work for the University of Chicago Press. I am trying to be academic about this, not promotional. Please restore the version I put up, I will amend it any way you see fit, but I added TONS of historical information!! Thank you Trevor Wade--TrevorWade (talk) 19:41, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, but I am not going to restore it. This is precisely why we request users with a COI not to edit relevant articles, because when you have a COI it is almost impossible to write objectively, no matter how hard you try. Please do as suggested in WP:COI and use the article's talk page to discuss the changes you think should be made. – ukexpat (talk) 19:45, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Ukexpat, I just read COI, sorry I missed that before, I read a lot of information before diving in but missed that one. Here is what I will do: 1) Make a note on the user page saying I work for the company, and link to my online bio (I was not intentionally trying to make a secret of this); (2) Make a note on the Talk page about my work for the company, (3) Remove all links to Landor.com that aren't written by third parties. Almost all the information in the article is verified by non-Landor-employee Bernie Gallagher, who wrote his thesis about Walter Landor and Landor Associates on his own. Would you please restore it so I can make those changes? Thankyou Trevor --TrevorWade (talk) 19:56, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You are not listening to what I am saying. Please discuss these changes on the talk page, that's what it's for. – ukexpat (talk) 01:51, 25 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding a conflict of interest:

Thank you for the expediency of the replies. I was unaware of the rarity in which protections are granted. I disagree however, in regards to the matter of a conflict of interest. We do not seek to promote the Monument in a commercial fashion, only publish up to date information as often as can be done, without the risk of false edits. Although I was not personally a witness, there have been reports of misinformation in the past. While I understand this to be a minority, perhaps a system could be arranged with limited protections-- and our concerns may be allayed. Thank you. --Cqcosner (talk) 22:57, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Kathleen Cody (actor)

Hey there. With all due respect, can you please provide a link to the guideline that confirms the basis for your changes to the headings on the above referenced article? I appreciate your assistance in this matter? Best regards, Cind.amuse 16:44, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think there are any formal guidelines, but nearly all of the biographical articles I have seen on Wikipedia (and trust me, that's a lot) follow this format. Consistency is good. In fact, I would go even further (as I did in an earlier edit) and remove the "Career" heading completely and promote its subheadings. – ukexpat (talk) 16:54, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for responding. Honestly, when decisions are made to revert edits by others, based on subjective opinion, the action generally results in edit wars. Not good. While I respect your opinions, I would highly recommend that you refrain from reverting the work of others when the changes are based merely on your opinion or what you have seen in the past. I am familiar with your editing background and truly believe that you have come across several articles which conform to your ideal. Your work is to be commended. That said, I have come across several articles as well, and work closely with the biography Wikiproject. There are no guidelines that support your revision. However, there are guidelines that provide for caution in changing and reverting section headings. While consistency is good, there are millions of articles and thousands of editors working on these articles. The opinions of many editors may differ from your own. The goal within the project, in this regard needs to focus on collaboration. If you were to review many of the biography articles which have been assessed at GA and FA standards, you would be hard pressed to find a majority of articles that support your preference. In the future, I might suggest making a suggestion on the talk page of the article for which you wish to make changes. I work with a lot of new editors. Changes such as yours are really muddying the waters and hurting the credibility of the project. I'm personally grateful that your actions were not made to the edits of a new editor. I can take it. New editors haven't yet developed the thick skin and generally just tend to walk away disillusioned. Best regards, Cind.amuse 17:45, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Seriously??? Has this resulted in an edit war? No. Are section headings a big deal? No. Do we have a principle on Wikipedia called "Be Bold"? Yes, we do, right there next to "Bold, Revert, Discuss". Has Ukexpat breached these principles? Not that I can see. Does Ukexpat have to go around seeking consensus before changing section headings? No. Is Ukexpat "muddying the waters and hurting the credibility of the project"? Not by any stretch of the imagination. Does Ukexpat have a clue what he's doing? Yes, otherwise I and others wouldn't be intermittently pestering him to accept a nomination for adminship. Does Ukexpat have experience of working with new editors? Yes, he is one of the most consistently present and helpful editors at the Help Desk, where lots of new users post questions about their new articles, etc. Would his minor changes have driven away a new editor? I would be amazed. Is Cindamuse making a mountain out of a molehill? Yes. BencherliteTalk 00:02, 28 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
You're entitled to your opinion. Ukexpat has a history of reverting edits based on subjective opinion and stating that the edits of others are in error and unnecessary (when guidelines do not support his personal opinion). Sure, there was no edit war. However, as I stated above, actions such as those employed by Ukexpat often result in edit wars with newer editors. This shouldn't happen. Does Ukexpat have to go around seeking consensus before changing section headings? No, not when they are not in compliance with stated MOS guidelines. However, when they are made based on subjective, personal opinion, changes without discussing it with the editor are ill advised. Comments made to new editors include referring to their work as "spammy", "gushing", and a "spamfest". Overall, Ukexpat is to be commended for his work. I might be inclined to support him if he were to throw his hat in the RFA ring. That said, I would hope that he would learn to temper his communication with new editors and work with them. For what it's worth, I have been in communication just today with a first time editor that was driven away through Ukexpat's words and actions. She was quite disillusioned. I have provided encouragement, along with links to various policies and guidelines. Including a link to the MOS, of which she never knew existed. Its much easier to learn to work with other editors, providing proper guidance, than it is to abruptly tell them to take it to the talk page. It reminds me of being in... oh let's say hardware store. I'm looking for a crescent wrench and find a customer service clerk and ask for assistance. But the most I get is a vague wave and a statement to look for it over in the corner of the store. Yeah, right. Thanks for the help. How is Wikipedia any different? Is it any wonder why Wikipedia has fewer than 10 percent female editors working on the project? The aggressive nature and turbulent culture found on Wikipedia has overall, been a turn-off to women. I think its time for all of us to check ourselves. Too many editors are being turned away. Retention is extremely low. Is this a mountain out of a molehill? Not according to the Wikimedia Foundation. Respectfully, Cind.amuse 06:04, 28 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

BAND: the Freewheelers

hi, on the page that you suggested where I can ask someone to make a page for my band (have to do that to avoid conflict of interest, apparently) I didn't find any info on that.

So, I am going to ask you, as you are the person that has edited (and replaced) my Freewheeler band article. We are member of the Sacramento Blues Society (www.sacblues.com) for 2.5 years. Before that, we have played at various stages in the Netherlands (Burgpop, Lutjebroek, Westwoud, Nijmegen) and had some reviews in local newspapers. In Spain we were main guest at InformacionTV of Alicante, and we were featured in the San Vicente local radioshow. Besides that, we have played a number of cannabis legalisation festivals, like the Alacannabis Cup festival. Also, there have been articles in the Alicante newspaper 'Diario Informacion'. We have produced three official cd's. Our bandpages are at:

The question that I have to ask the entire WikiPedia club, is: are bands with small budgets, who are without label or record company, not welcome in Wikipedia?

Because, then I will start a WIKIPOORDIA

I hope that you will take me serious.

Bas — Preceding unsigned comment added by Basvossen (talk • contribs) 18:07, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Head over to WP:Requested articles and make your request there. But before you do that, please read WP:BAND for the inclusion criteria for band articles on Wikipedia. If you cannot provide references that demonstrate that this band meets those requirements, then no, it is not a suitable subject for a Wikipedia article. – ukexpat (talk) 18:16, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Tequila!

Want to venture a guess as to the name of a manager at Tequila Avión? --Orange Mike | Talk 19:51, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Oooooh let me think... – ukexpat (talk) 19:54, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Isacc Wunder order review: Thanks

Thank you for reviewing and cleaning up the Isaac Wunder order article. I'll do as you suggest and whittle down the See also list. Also, that document in the External links was in the same section of the frivolous or vexatious article and I copied it more or less on the assumption that its relevance there would apply to my article as well. I'll take that out. Thanks again. Rhsimard (talk) 22:06, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Gutierrez' biography

Hello, I am sorry if I have caused any problems. I thought we all wanted to have the best page possible reflecting the person's woek and accomplishments. I am new to WIKI and thought one could add and reword to make the biography flow and read better. I read similar biographical articles on WIKI that used similar phrasing with documentation. You may check the documentation, or, if you need additional documentation, pleasse let me know. Perhaps we can work on a biographical version that reflects Mr. Gutierrez' legacy. The current version is not reflective of his life and accomplishments. I tried to narrate as best as I could, documenting my statements. There are quotes for his back problems, but my verifiable quotes and information regarding his accomplishments is being rejected. I do not understand fully, but would like to learn to do it correctly. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maryphillips1952 (talk • contribs) 23:51, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I forgot to sign my last message. I would like to work with you to have the best biography possible. I apologize again for my ignorance.Maryphillips1952 (talk) 23:53, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, I did not intend to offend anyone with Gutierrez' biography edits. I am new to Wiki. I am willing to work as a team to make the biography the best it can be. I mirrowed many biographies written on WIKI and documented the statements to be more objective. Perhaps we can rewrite some of the edits I made as a team and work towards a common goal. My goal was to document his life, work, and accomplishments. The current website does not reflect his work, his discography, and many of the documented awards he received. I would like to know how to best proceed as part of a team to make the biography the best it can be. Thank you for your help. It is appreciated. --Maryphillips1952 (talk) 01:38, 28 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hello - Help desk question

Hi, haven't communicated with you on here for quite a good bit, but I had sort of a dumb question for you. I know you're a regular at the Help desk, and I'd be willing to help out there. Is the best way to get started to simply show up and start answering questions? Thanks for your advice. Enjoy your summer. Best, MarmadukePercy (talk) 00:26, 28 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The easiest way is exactly that - just show up and start answering questions! That's what I did... – ukexpat (talk) 01:55, 28 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The Signpost: 27 June 2011

Jody Whitesides wiki

Hi Ukexpat,

I wanted to say thanks for being levelheaded in the discussion regarding my page earlier this month. I understand why my page never went public on wiki. I would like a copy of it though if I could get one - it's no longer in my account as it has been deleted.

Thanks, Jody Jody Whitesides (talk) 18:54, 28 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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