Talk:Manly P. Hall

NPOV discussion

Added NPOV template due to biased language throughout.

Added clean-up template because there are statements taken from the PRS website verbatim without citing.

Language, while positive, isn't particularly biased. It's certainly not inaccurate, and is no more POV than any number of other biographical articles. Deleting Neutrality template. —Clarknova 05:58, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Can someone add them back please, I don't know how to do this, particularly or not the article is biased, the idolatry tone is uncharacteristic of wikipedia, and the sentences as the other user said lifted off of this (dead) guys website, being in the occult such types are generally very hush hush about their doing, that doesn't mean that whatever represantation they get in wikipedia shouldn't be well balanced, as much as it can. 195.134.69.158 15:27, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

I have done so for you. Please keep an eye on this page in case discussion comes up. -999 (Talk) 22:15, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

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Manly Palmer Hall is another figure like Eliphas Levi and Athanasius Kircher, whose more or less personal speculations have been taken up by others as supposed occult and/or mystic "age-old ancient traditions". The language in this article may be relentlessly positive, but in fact it is quite true that he's been very influential among English-speaking 20th-century occultists and New Agers (even though many of them have never heard his name). AnonMoos 00:40, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

From what I gather, Mr. M. P. Hall was anything but 'hush hush' about what he knew. The Secret Teaching of All Ages is dedicated to demystifying the occult sciences and making them accessible to anyone who is inclined to pick up the book and read it. (CMS - January 2007)

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One of the problems with this article is the lack of basic biographical information, as well as the problems with tone. There's a good biographic article in this issue http://download.dailygrail.com/subrosa/SubRosa_Issue6-Single.pdf of the online magazine Sub Rosa; it would be a good place to start at least. Proptology 04:23, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

In my opinion, the recent edits have eliminated pretty much all of the NPOV problem, although it looks like when you remove the overblown language and idolatrous tone, what's left is basically a stub. Should it be marked as such? I think the NPOV flag can probably be removed now, at any rate. There was some interesting stuff edited out (necessarily so) from the original article, and it probably needs to be replaced somehow. For instance, The Secret Teaching is his best-known work, so it might be worth putting back a précis of it. The current list of publications seems too selective; the more complete it can be made, the more useful it will be. Proptology 02:53, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm also of the opinion that this article is looking fairly neutral in its POV. I'd be in favor of removing the flag. I have more info and sources I can add to the selected works, I just need to find them in my sagging book shelves.Darrell Wheeler 12:05, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

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I agree with the fact that this once-article now reads like a stub, and while I am no fan of M.P. Hall, I believe having such an abridged biography here is a disservice to the information. The historical importance and influence of Manly P. Hall within this genre of writing is profound and far-reaching and created a legacy within the esoteric arts. There are many things that are absent in the information, including a photo, which is easily obtained and should be restored. I recommend an editor familiar with MPH and the PRS in Los Angeles should re-write this page in its entirety.--Chieflamedeer (talk) 22:49, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Copy and Paste

The entire article is just a copy of the brief bio from this site: http://www.manlyphall.org/ Exxoskeleton (talk) 10:20, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

NPOV

Saw POV tag from other page, been up for half a year. Article is slightly POV. I wouldn't say bad, but some rewording is in order. Hooper (talk) 19:50, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Biography of Hall

I removed this newly-published biography (July 1, 2008 according to Amazon) from the ref list because it is not cited in the article. It could probably be useful in fleshing out the entry, but needs to be specifically cited to be included in the refs section: Master of the Mysteries: The Life of Manly Palmer Hall by Louis Sahagun (Process Media, ISBN:978-1-934170-02-1).--Typing Monkey - ^{(type to me)} 16:45, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

That does not mean it's right to remove it entirely from the article. It would be quite appropriate to give the book mention in a section of its own. This is common Wikipedia practice. __meco (talk) 16:52, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

I don't disagree with including it, but its inclusion should be within the standards of Wikipedia. The book is the only biography to date of Hall that I know of. This article needs expansion. Someone who has read the new bio should definitely include pertinent information in the main section of the article and cite the bio as a reference. If you've read it, please do so! Typing Monkey - ^{(type to me)} 02:11, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Have you ever heard of a "further reading" section? The book should not have been removed. Viriditas (talk) 12:13, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Bio fails to mention anything about Brother Manly's life or passing

My observation is that the bio is unduly conservative - and - I would point to the absence of any information about the circumstances of his passing let alone the rest of his personal life. Whilst this might be found elsewhere it is a glaring OM mission on these 'legacy' pages which are hopefully to be securely passed onto the future. The manner of his death was the aspect that drew me to this wiki article.

In view of his importance I assume this is intentional rather than a reflection of his waning relevance.

naradaian

AMDG Naradaian (talk) 10:01, 22 July 2011 (UTC)