Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/National anarchism

National anarchism

Non notable political ideology - only 559 unique google hits. This article has survived one previous AfD discussions and failed one: Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/National anarchism and Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/National anarchism (2nd nomination).

Keep because you consider a political ideology non-notable, it is invalid? It is still an ideology, perhaps the article could just be moved.

Delete non notable, possible hoax political philosophy. - FrancisTyers 11:46, 14 March 2006 (UTC) Would consider Moveing to Anarchism and nationalism for a detailed article on the connections between the two. - FrancisTyers 15:06, 14 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or transform to Anarcho-Nationalism or Anarchism, racism and nationalism and broaden it out to include the whole gamut of anarchist nationalists. The proposal to delete it is POV.Harrypotter 13:31, 14 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Not particularly, how do you imagine that my proposal is POV. Do we have a page on libertarian fascism? Hell, maybe I should get a page :) I would not necessarily be opposed to a general page on Anarchism and nationalism. - FrancisTyers 13:37, 14 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I am not quite sure what you are getting at here. Have you checked out Georges Valois? Just because you do not know much about something does not mean that it is non notable, or even a hoax. Also see A number of the demonstrators wore clothing bearing slogans such as "We Grew Here, You Flew Here", "Wog Free Zone", "Aussie Pride", "Fuck Allah - save 'Nulla", and "Ethnic Cleansing Unit". Chants of "Lebs out", "Lebs go home" and other expressions were continuously shouted out by many of the demonstrators, including some families with young children. A banner saying "LOCALS ONLY" with a symbol for anarchism in place of the "A" was displayed (Daily Telegraph, December 12). from 2005 Sydney race riots. Do you want libertarian fascism as an alternative to National Anarchism, or what? I have noticed that a number of people ndo not want any mention of this very real movement on wikipedia on what I feel may well be ostrich style POV reasons.Harrypotter 14:05, 14 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The (A) symbol is used in many ways, association with the (A) symbol does not necessarily mean anarchist. I don't think libertarian fascism is an ideology, do you disagree? I read the page on George Valois, it doesn't say anything about national anarchism or libertarian fascism. I agree that in some cases people nominate articles for deletion as a result of Ostrich like behaviour and assure you that this is not one of them. As I said above, I would not necessarily have a problem with keeping the content provided it was moved to a general page about Anarchism and nationalism, or even if you like it could be moved to Anarchism, racism and nationalism. - FrancisTyers 14:21, 14 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Move - to a more general page on eg. Anarchism and Nationalism .Unfortunately these people do exist - well, just about, maybe a couple of them, or at least they did. Personally I think wikipedia has room to comment on even the stupidest and most offensive ideas, as long as it's made clear just how tiny and marginal this bunch are, and that whatever they call themselves they're fascists not anarchists.Bengalski 13:52, 14 March 2006 (UTC) On closer inspection, we've got various scrappy pages or stubs on 'anarcho-nationalism', 'nationalist anarchism' etc., and I'm not sure there is any real difference between all these. So I think the best approach, per ideas above, would be to merge the lot into one decent page on the whole crew.Bengalski 15:00, 14 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep --Ter e nc e Ong 14:22, 14 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Kuzaar 14:24, 14 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep existing political philosophy - unpopular, and not approved by you or I, but in existence nonetheless. Bobby P. Smith Sr. Jr. 14:39, 14 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have no strong feelings for or against it to be honest, can you direct me to a book written by a National anarchist? I realise that books aren't the only indicator of notability but I think I could safely provide citations for most of the other political philosophies that Wikipedia covers. - FrancisTyers 14:42, 14 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Never read one; I'll have to look into it. I see your point, but this is apparently a rather new ideology, in terms of coalescence. I'll have a look around a little later. Bobby P. Smith Sr. Jr. 15:07, 14 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. The national-anarchist movement was started by the security services as a honey trap. The trap has been exposed. National-anarchism is dead. The ideas were stolen from the national-bolsheviks (a much larger political force, especially in Russia) and the better insights are being marketed effecively by others who are not tainted by connections with MI5. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.64.225.145 (talk • contribs) 14:57, 14 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Quite possibly, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be exposed again here.Bengalski 15:11, 14 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Kepp. Highly objectionable "trojan horse" ideology with little or no real claim to anarchism. Noteworthy nonetheless. - N1h1l 15:22, 14 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Merge if something to contain this non-anarchist national front naziness can be found. Take the alleged "faction" with it into a paragraph or small box in contemprary fascism or wherever it can be dfound a hole. Failing that, Delete it not for its irrational loathsomeness but for its pretensions. Midgley 15:52, 14 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Anarchism has a long tradition of opposition to both nationalism and racism. This so-called ideology was created by marginal neo-fascists in an effort to attract more followers. Wikipedia shouldn't include every crackpot movement that attempts to revert the ideas of a long-standing political tendency with over a century of existence. Having an entry on "national anarchism" is like keeping one on "Satanic Catholicism." Just because a handful of people believe something that is opposite of an existing ideology with millions of proponents doesn't make it worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia. Chuck0 16:26, 14 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There should definitely be an article on satanic catholicism.Bengalski 17:55, 14 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete and/or ~~merge~~ move to anarchism and nationalism. 560 Google hits is not notable for its own article. -- infinity0 17:14, 14 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Move to Anarchism and Nationalism per Bengalski. The Ungovernable Force 17:32, 14 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Merge or Delete - non existing ideology. // Liftarn 18:44, 14 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: The page Nationalist anarchism might also be of interest to those voting here. Fightindaman 19:53, 14 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Move to Nationalism and anarchism might be the best solution. Sarge Baldy 20:39, 14 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or make it a redirect to Nationalism and anarchism which should have the same content. PMLF 06:55, 15 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep OK so it's not a huge political movement but there are groups in the world who choose to identify themselves as national anarchists. Don't redirect to Nationalism and anarchism as, whilst this would be a worthy topic, National anarchism is a specifically modern term that deserves its own entry whilst a new article would have a wider, more historical, scope. Keresaspa 14:43, 15 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. --metzerly 09:07, 16 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Suggestion: I think there should be a page called Anarchism and nationalism like Anarchism and capitalism and Anarchism and Marxism in the side panel. The convention seems to be have the words placed in alphabetical order, or am I wrong here? When that page has been fully developed, we shoudl be able to better see whether national anarchism deserves its own page.Harrypotter 22:00, 16 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]