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Edit request from 94.64.9.236, 21 May 2011


94.64.9.236 (talk) 11:34, 21 May 2011 (UTC) Misleading information about the historical background of the current located country between Bulgaria,Greece,Albania and Serbia.[reply]

Ancient Macedonians were not Slavic tribes. Their existence in the area was far before the coming of the Slavic tribes long after the Roman Empire.

You need a reliable source or a few for that. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | Say Shalom! 12:26, 21 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Per above. Kinaro(talk) (contribs) 21:44, 21 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Edit Request: minor typo

"In the Republic of Macedonia there are 1,100 larger sources of water. The rivers flow into three different basins: the Aegean, the Adriatic and that Black Sea basin"

should read: "the Black Sea basin"

Done, thanks for spotting this. Fut.Perf. ☼ 21:20, 21 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ugh...there's a LOT of typos/minor grammatical mistakes in this article. Understandable, those who have a strong understanding of Macedonian history are likely not well-versed in English. Someone who knows this stuff but speaks English as a first language want to read the entire thing for typos?

Revert of my change to "state": "country" vs. "state"?

My change was reverted by Fut.Perf.. Please see msg I left at his talk page for my rationale. Does the community agree that for articles about the political entities to use state as the standard? As far as I know and seen of all "country" articles, sovereign state is used. Mistakefinder (talk) 08:11, 4 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Most eastern European country articles (e.g. Poland, Romania, Bulgaria, Ukraine) seem to be using simply "country" without any link. Some western European countries I've seen (France, Italy) instead have a more specific description of their constitutional form. I'd always go for maximum simplicity, and keep WP:OVERLINK in mind ("plain English words"). There are very few places in the world where a "country" isn't a "state", while there are a few more where a "state" isn't a "country". "Country" works fine here. Fut.Perf. ☼ 09:27, 4 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It's not quite true that "There are very few places in the world where a "country" isn't a "state"". As the country says, it's a geographic area, and all geographic areas on earth are occupied by "states" other than Antarctica, and as such, there's no place that's not a country, defined geographically ty natural features, like a valley, a plain, etc. Political entity (states) divides geographic "countries". For example, Poland. The country it sits on didn't change, but the its border kept changing and dividing the country (territory) in a new way under its political state. Though "country" is a common English word, but it's been misused. Shouldn't we try to correct misuse or misconceptions? Mistakefinder (talk) 23:41, 4 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Future Perfect. We should go for maximum unambiguous simplicity. In the case of Macedonia, "country" is unambiguous and is the common English word. "State" should be reserved only for those countries where "country" is ambiguous (such as the United Kingdom) or where a qualifying term is mandated (such as Somaliland, where de facto is required). --Taivo (talk) 01:41, 5 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

"Macedonia Salutarius" -> "Macedonia Salutaris"

Changed "Macedonia Salutarius" (assumed to be a typo) to "Macedonia Salutaris". One occurrence only: the second one was ok. Please see "Tabula successionis provinciarum Romanarum" in the Latin Wikipedia, or "Suddivisioni e cronologia delle province romane" in the Italian one. JmCor (talk) 12:18, 8 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Demographics

Could someone double-check the population numbers shown on this template? Thanks.--Sisyphos23 (talk) 12:59, 28 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The census only gives population numbers for municipalities and not individual cities. The only city population given on that template that can be verified by the census is that of Skopje since it is made up of 10 municipalities. So perhaps the template could be moved to be about the largest municipalities in Macedonia. --Local hero talk 13:33, 28 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Please delete the last paragraph in Yugoslav Macedonia in World War II

The last paragraph "In Vardar Macedonia, after Bulgarian coup d'état of 1944 the Bulgarian troops, surrounded by German forces, fought their way back to the old borders of Bulgaria. Three Bulgarian armies (some 455,000 strong in total) entered Yugoslavia in September 1944 and moved from Sofia to Niš and Skopje with the strategic task of blocking the German forces withdrawing from Greece. Southern and eastern Serbia and Macedonia were liberated within a month." is quoted by unreliable source. It is wrong as well.

There was no Bulgarian army involved in liberation of Republic of Macedonia in WW2. Republic of Macedonia was liberated by the People's Liberation Army of Macedonia, with a size of roughly 90000 soldiers. The number of 455000 soldiers is largely exaggerated as well. On the Syrmian Front there were 2 divisions from the Bulgarian army. The Macedonian army took a larger involvement. There were 2 divisions of the Macedonian army in the start of the Syrmian Front and from january 1945 the 15th corps with size of roughly 30000 (1/3rd of the Macedonian army) was involved on the front. Secondly, there were also not enough German forces in Republic of Macedonia in the 1941-44 to surround any Bulgarian troops. Republic of Macedonia as part of Greek Macedonia was under control of Bulgaria and there were much less German soldiers then Bulgarian. The German army was in Greece. In the end no one really seriously blocked the German forces withdrawing from Greece. They were negotiations and they were often granted free passage through the territory of Yugoslavia even throughout 1945 because some units were strong and skilled enough to take back Belgrade that was liberated earlier by the Red army. No country on the Balkans had equiped and powerful army to defeat the German Army Group E. The Syrmian Front was literally a bloodbath very sadly with many Macedonian names (over 2000 of the 13000+ victims) written on the monument. (Toci (talk) 10:58, 2 July 2011 (UTC))[reply]

Check here: Bulgaria declares war on Germany and especially this: On a series of maps from Army Group E, showing its withdrawal through Macedonia and Southern Serbia, as well as in the memoirs of its chief of staff, there is almost no indication of Yugoslav Partisan units, but only Bulgarian divisions. Read also the added sources! Change your mind! Thank you. Jingby (talk) 11:09, 2 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

dispute list

A link to or the list of the posed NPOV disputes (both sustained/answered and deleted) on the article up to now would be much appreciated.91.140.110.215 (talk) 21:01, 16 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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