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Archive 1

Official website

is http://rebeccablackonline.com and her twitter http://twitter.com/MsRebeccaBlack —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.243.3.200 (talk) 07:24, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

Year of birth

She's said on her official twitter that her birthday is June 21 (I actually searched through the page of the user she was responding to to see if it was actually "What's your birthday?", and it was), and her profile on Ark says she's 13... so wouldn't that make her year of birth 1997, not 1998? 203.160.126.177 (talk) 15:11, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 203.160.126.177, 23 March 2011

{{edit semi-protected}} As cited above, date of birth should be changed to 1997. Full DOB is 06/21/1997. References are her official Twitter where she answered a fan asking about her birthday, and for the year, multiple sources (including her official Ark Music page) mention her as being 13, which if her birthday is 06/21, would make her born in 1997.

203.160.126.177 (talk) 15:15, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

 Done by User:Oakshade. — Bility (talk) 17:13, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

Biased mention of the song

"As of March 22, 2011, first-week sales of her digital single were estimated to be around 40,000 by Billboard.com, and the video had over 38 million views on YouTube, despite a mediocre critical reception" sounds more fair to me. Can use some of the sources from the song's article as needed. --Rogington (talk) 17:50, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

1997 or 1998?

Which is actually her birth year? 1997 or 1998? The article contradictorily cites both years ("1998 births" category and "1997" on description table). Robfbms (talk) 21:04, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

Page for artist

Why is there not a page on Rebecca Black / why is there a lock on the creation of one?

I agree that having released a record that has 25,000,000 hits on the official video alone at least deserves a page created. This song will more than likely chart in the music charts today, will this be a trigger to allow an article to be created? 88.111.8.178 (talk) 10:59, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

I agree that the artist has gained enough notariety from this song alone Timclare (talk) (sign here) 11:02, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
I know she has lots of views on Youtube and everyone talks about her but is she notable enough? 79.97.127.226 (talk) 18:08, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
Someone should mention that the like:dislike ratio on youtube is something like 10 dislikes for every 1 like. While I'm not in favour of bashing people, it certainly can be written in neutral language. I.e. the fact that most people thinks she sucks certainly seems like a relevant point. 67.49.132.19 (talk) 22:02, 24 March 2011 (UTC)


Rebecca Black's birthday

Can somebody update the actual date of birth. I'm almost certain it's April 5th But I might be wrong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Undisputed4life2020 (talk • contribs) 21:56, 23 March 2011 (UTC) (Edit: Content removed per WP:ATTACK and WP:BLP which applies to talk pages.--Oakshade (talk) 00:52, 24 March 2011 (UTC))

Do you have a source for that? Without a reliable source, we're not going to include the information. We might not include it with a source, either, just in case. Cheers. lifebaka++ 23:12, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
Okay, here is the source I have added: http://twitter.com/MsRebeccaBlack/status/50024241491492864. It's her Twitter account. Media stated she is 13 years old, and this says June 21, so doing the math it makes 1997 the year she was born. If anyone disagrees, please feel free to discuss. Tinton5 (talk) 00:48, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 189.61.208.59, 24 March 2011

{{edit semi-protected}}

rebecca black only became famous because all the people of a certain site started to make fun of her music, that is the only reason she got so many views on youtube. You should really put this in here, because you guys should tell the truth

189.61.208.59 (talk) 02:02, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

Rejecting as requested, you need to make a more specific request; provide some suggested verbiage, and more importantly a really good reference to support it. This is a WP:BLP, so nothing should be added unless it is very clearly supported. Monty845 02:14, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
What, so like a TMZ article or a similarly reputable source? This is why wikipedia goes down the drains. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.49.132.19 (talk) 03:15, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
We don't fight tumblr's wars for them, and we generally don't say a "certain site" made someone famous without proof.--Milowent • talkblp-r 04:21, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from me, 25 March 2011

{{edit semi-protected}} According to some of my researches,I've found out that Rebecca Black is a jew. Trollforlyfe (talk) 04:05, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

Not done. You'll need a reliable source for that information. Provide it and the edit will be made. Given your username, I'm not holding my breath. ICYTIGER'SBLOOD 04:49, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
It's odd that we never see messages like "I have evidence that xxx xxxx is a Methodist." Not only is there no source, I'm not sure why there is concern over this.--Oakshade (talk) 05:26, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
It's usual to include someone's ethnic background or religion. It's a signficant fact about a person. Obviously it woudl have to be properly sourced, she may turn out to be ethnically Jewish but religiously atheist. Darmot and gilad (talk) 11:49, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

Opening paragraph

Pop singer? Really? --94.171.77.82 (talk) 23:06, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

Pop does not imply good, nor does singer for that matter. --86.30.248.90 (talk) 00:13, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
"Pop" is an abbreviation of "popular" which at least implies well-liked. Darmot and gilad (talk) 11:45, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
"Pop music" is, as a whole, a specific genre of music of which this artist qualifies for membership. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pop_music OffColfax (talk) 07:17, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

American teen pop singers

It says American "child" pop singers, but she's not a child, she's a teenager. She should be put in with the other teenagers.--68.186.165.36 (talk) 16:57, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

There is no Category:Teenage entertainers, nor any subcategories of that. Jim Michael (talk) 22:54, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
Wikipedia's American child singers category defines its inclusion criteria as "Child and teenage singers", and Category:Child singers, of which it is a subcategory is defined as everyone "who had notable careers as musicians before the age of 18." The other teenagers are already listed there. Brian the Editor (talk) 01:39, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Edit

Someone should change the sentence "Rebecca Black (born June 21, 1997) is an American pop singer who rose to fame with her 2011 single "Friday"." to "Rebecca Black (born June 21, 1997) is an American pop singer who rose to infamy with her 2011 single "Friday".". I think the 700,000 dislikes on the music video can attest to that.

No. That's precisely why the article is protected. OhNoitsJamie Talk 18:29, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
That being said, we really should not be censoring the song's, ermm, less than great reception. The fact that it became viral from people calling it awful is pretty well sourced; I personally am not going to add it in, but it probably should be mentioned a bit more prominently than it is.--Yaksar (let's chat) 20:00, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
I think "garnering mostly negative media coverage," which is already in there, is sufficient for a fairly short biography as this one is currently. OhNoitsJamie Talk 20:14, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 76.69.63.3, 26 March 2011

{{edit semi-protected}} Rebecca Black's "Friday" now as 52 million views not 44. :)

76.69.63.3 (talk) 13:08, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

I've seen it too, but we cannot cite Youtube as a reference. We need a reliable source to cite this. Thanks. Novice7 (talk) 13:12, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

lol how absurd you cannot cite Youtube as a reference about itself when it's the only source on that information —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.179.102.148 (talk) 17:29, 26 March 2011 (UTC)


Rebecca's single has debuted on the Australian digital singles chart at #40 - can we get that updated on the discography? Source - Official ARIA charts http://www.ariacharts.com.au/pages/charts_display_digital.asp?chart=1DT40 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.168.35.230 (talk) 09:23, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Done. Thanks for citing your source. Brian the Editor (talk) 02:20, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Deletion?

So uh, who flagged this for deletion without starting a discussion or presenting arguments on the talk page? --Rogington (talk) 22:49, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Most probably it won't be deleted, it was a stupid idea. R.I.P.--Me ne frego (talk) 23:29, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
Deletion discussions never take place on talk pages. The discussion is going on at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rebecca Black, which is linked from "this article's entry" in the box atop the article. Brian the Editor (talk) 01:43, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 184.46.18.79, 28 March 2011

{{edit semi-protected}} Wikipedia Staff:

I am sorry for bothering you, and I realize that all of you probably are very busy, but Rebecca Black does not deserve the credit for Bob Dylan's song. Please fix this.

Thank you, A Seeker of the Truth

184.46.18.79 (talk) 23:30, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Not done. No specific request and no source for request. lifebaka++ 23:40, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
Just vandalism, presumably based on this parody. — anndelion (talk) 01:01, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
Damn good parody, though. :) - Bilby (talk) 01:08, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Ryan Seacrest got her the record deal?

Quoted from the Daily Mail,

"She has also received a mentor in the form of American Idol host Ryan Seacrest, according to celebrity website TMZ. Following an appearance on his radio show last week, Ryan is said to have introduced her to Debra Baum, a manager with DB Entertainment."

Should this be noted? SilverserenC 04:33, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

No. It's a rumor, albeit a reported one, and probably won't be relevant or covered in any really reliable way any time soon. It wouldn't really improve the article, either. Cheers. lifebaka++ 15:50, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Why the redirect?

Why does this page just redirect to one of Black's songs, instead of being an article about her? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.158.224.232 (talk) 16:51, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

I think it should be a redirect, based on Wikipedia:Notability_(people)#People_notable_for_only_one_event DanielDPeterson (talk) 08:08, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
IMO, we may as well wait for a few weeks or months. If everybody's forgotten about her the page can be merged with Friday (Rebecca Black song) then. But if (God help us) she goes on to have a successful career, then it would be a shame if the page were deleted and it was subsequently decided she deserved a page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.7.168.82 (talk) 13:31, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Alice540, 26 March 2011

{{edit semi-protected}} Rebecca's video "Friday" currently has over 789,204 dislikes, having the most dislikes in Youtube history.

Alice540 (talk) 02:41, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

No it doesn't. Justin Bieber's song "Baby" has over 1,000,000 dislikes. --Our Lady Overkill (talk) 05:34, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
She's getting up there, though. If the current development keeps up, the song will be the most hated video on youtube some time next week. Keep an eye on the situation! --Rogington (talk) 15:38, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
As of April 1, 2011, this song has officially surprassed "Baby" as the most disliked song on YouTube with over 1.3 million dislikes and an abysmal 165,000 likes. That was fast, almost doubling in a mere five days. --Our Lady Overkill (talk) 07:12, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Cinci555, 29 March 2011

The main thing missing from this article, is that while her youtube video has received millions of hits, it also is the MOST DISLIKED video on youtube.

Cinci555 (talk) 15:13, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — Bility (talk) 15:42, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD2LRROpph0
The official video page. It has overtaken Justin Bieber's Baby (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kffacxfA7G4) as the most hated/disliked video on youtube with 1.2 million-some dislikes vs 1.1 million-some dislikes. --Rogington (talk) 19:44, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
An ephemeral distinction, I assure you. Besides, that information would be more suited to the actual article on the song. Here, it reads too negative. Cheers. lifebaka++ 00:21, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
Already in the article on the song. Dcoetzee 23:54, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

number of views on youtube

The current number is of views is stated as follows:

"The music video uploaded to YouTube has received over 70 million views, as of March 31, 2011" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD2LRROpph0

However the current number of views if over 74 million views, as of April 1, 2011. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ndfrspd8622 (talk • contribs) 00:43, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

80M on April 3. But there's a note saying not to change the number, and to see discussion. Well there's no discussion on discussion, except one comment that youtube "is not a reliable source." It's good enough for any college paper, any newspaper, and the only source of such information. Plus it's not a policy on wikipedia not to use it. So whoever doesn't want us to update the numbers, can you defend that?--Mrcolj (talk) 21:33, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

An image anyone?

Hi, I think an image of Rebecca would be appropriate. it shouldnt be that hard to find one to upload to commons I think?. If you have one put it on the article ASAP.--BabbaQ (talk) 20:43, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

To the contrary, obtaining a freely licensed photo of Rebecca Black is quite difficult. You would either have to take a photo of her yourself or get a release from ARK or her family. Dcoetzee 22:38, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
Too bad we cannot use "fair use" or "transformation." --John Bessa (talk) 14:33, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Merge with the song's Wiki page?

At the moment, Black's encyclopedic relevance is entirely based on "Friday". If she releases another single, or especially an album, it would be appropriate to create her own page, but at the moment, she and her song should be covered in a single article. - Drlight11 (talk) 07:35, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Funny or Die

Did she (Rebecca Black) really team up with them, or is it a fine piece of acting? --91.32.94.203 (talk) 15:02, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

I don't know what you mean about acting, but she teamed up for them for April Fool's day and made a couple of videos with them about car safety and such. See here and here. SilverserenC 15:36, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
So, from your second link: "[...] because viral video star Rebecca Black has bought out the humor site. (Before you believe that statement, however, kindly check your calendar.)" I'm not sure if I have to add that the whole news is from April 1st, which is traditionally known for, so to say, incorrect statements (April Fools' Day)?! Ms Black herself was so nice to point this out ([1]). I'm pretty sure, however, that the "Rebecca Black" girl in the video is a funny (and somewhat older) actress and not Ms Black, and I really can't take news from April 1st as a proof of the contrary. --91.32.94.203 (talk) 16:35, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
We'll need reliable sources saying otherwise. I think the joke was the fact that Funny or Die was changed to Friday or Die. Not that Black was a fake. I'm fairly certain that's here, but I suppose it might not be. You'll still have to find a reliable source saying that it isn't her however. SilverserenC 16:55, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
I won't be able to, probably, but also "This should cheer up Black, who was dissed by Miley Cyrus" (from your first link) does not make much sense to me if Rebecca Black already proved to stand high above things so coolly – maybe she does, but the author of the first article doesn't actually seem to assume it. --91.32.94.203 (talk) 17:09, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Well if this is notable, then why doesn't Bangs have an article?

Why? SnopakeSnopakeSnopake (talk) 16:04, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

I found the page about Bangs. TAKE U TO DA MOVIES WIV DA POPPKORN. SnopakeSnopakeSnopake (talk) 16:08, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Vanity label

I removed this from the description of Ark Music Factory on this page (there may be other pages where it needs to be removed). Ark's being confused for a vanity label (by some media outlets, it seems, in addition to casual observers) because they are taking "vanity label" to be analogous to the publishing world's "vanity press" - a fee-for-service publisher. But that's not what a vanity label is. A vanity record label is a label set up by someone already well-known to release his/her own music or pet projects - something like The Beatles' Apple Records or Fall Out Boy's Decaydance. Those are vanity labels. Ark is a fee-for-service label, whose business model does not appear to be essentially different from, say, Sun Records's in its early days. "Vanity" is a more neutral, definitional description in the music world, and doesn't seem to carry quite the same stigma it does in the publishing world (or at least, if it does, it carries it in a different way). Chubbles (talk) 19:44, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

So, essentially, there needs to be a new word added to the lexicon for the music version of vanity publishers so it has the same negative stigma, as should be applied to ARK Music Factory? :P (I totally agree with what I just said, no sarcasm). SilverserenC 19:58, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

New info: Nomination and lawsuit

This article from OK! Magazine discusses the nomination of Rebecca Black (and Justin Bieber) for the new internet-based awards show, the O Music Awards. It was apparently created by MTV, so this seems fairly important.

Another article also from OK! Magazine discusses the possibility of Black suing the ARK Music Factory for not upholding their end of the contract, in that she retains all copyright to the song since she paid for it. It also points out that "With some help from Ryan Seacrest, Rebecca has signed a record deal with DB Entertainment.", which I do think should be specified in the article. SilverserenC 02:16, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Of course, these two are important. We should add them to the article. Novice7 (talk) 15:31, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
There's a more detailed discussion of the possible legal disputes (between Black and ARK, and between the principals of ARK) in Rolling Stone, which I'd think is also a more reliable source than OK!. "Exclusive: Rebecca Black Fighting Ark Music Factory Over 'Friday'", Rolling Stone, April 1, 2011. I wouldn't object if someone wants to put something in the article, but it sounds like this is rather speculative at the moment. --Arxiloxos (talk) 16:01, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

"American teen pop singer"

I am changing the intro to "Rebecca Black is a teen Youtube sensation" as that is all she is at the moment. She only has 1 song out and supposedly has a record deal, this hardly qualifies her as a "pop singer". She may one day truly become one, but she isn't one now. Alek2407 (talk) 17:35, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Discussion on LOL

This article states Rebecca is releasing LOL but Rebecca tweeted on http://twitter.com/MsRebeccaBlack she is NOT recording LOL and the more info is on http://www.greatnewmovies.com/2011/03/31/rebecca-black-is-not-recording-new-song-lol/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.124.237.107 (talk) 18:11, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

Red outfit girls?

Any idea what theyre all about? thank you. --Pabloviva22 (talk) 12:33, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from ShadowRobn, 10 April 2011

I'd like to add a picture of Black from her official video. http://img813.imageshack.us/img813/318/rebblack4wiki.png

ShadowRobn (talk) 19:39, 10 April 2011

☒N Not done and not likely to be done As the picture was taken from a music video, it's copyrighted. OpenInfoForAll (talk) 01:45, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Wording on opening paragraph

The phrase"propelling Black into the limelight" in the opening paragraph of the article needs to be changed. The use of the word "limelight" is frowned upon, as it's an idiom. A better phrase would be "which caused Black to gain notoriety". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.22.127.15 (talk) 17:59, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Rebecca Black really a viral marketing campaign?

According to: http://entertainmentnews.instantfreesite.com/stuff.html, Rebecca Black is not a real person, rather she is a character in an upcoming movie for which 'Friday' was just a marketing ploy.

I'm pretty sure that story is fabricated. I can find no other sources for this story that aren't based on this one. It's possible this news site accepts user submissions, or that it was a belated April Fools joke. Dcoetzee 03:50, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
Oh, wow, that's elaborate. I did some digging and that web page is completely fake. Look, the home address links to the same news article. Someone made that page in order to pretend that it was a part of the stuff.co.nz newspaper website, when it isn't. That entire page is a hoax. That's pretty tricky. SilverserenC 04:45, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
And now it's been taken down. Dcoetzee 23:54, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Infobox picture

Seeing as how this is a screenshot from a YouTube video it is not free so therefore should be removed I believe. Matt G (talk) 23:42, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Why was my contribution deleted?

So i added the fact that she has 6 toes on each foot and it got deleted, have you seen her foot? no. i have so i know, why dlete it?— Preceding unsigned comment added by Luca Di-Maio (talk • contribs) 22:52, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Where did you get this? We cannot operate off the grounds that you actually saw her foot; there is no proof. For all we know, even if this somehow was true, you are making this up. If you can find a reliable source to indicate that this is true, by all means add it. Otherwise, Wikipedia is not a place for original research and WP:SPECULATION. Please read some of these links for clarification. MobileSnail 22:55, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
Yep, as Mobile Snail has said: if you can find a WP:RELIABLE source that mentions her having six toes please add the information to the article, making sure to WP:CITE it properly. DubiousIrony yell 07:16, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 131.162.159.120, 16 April 2011

The final line in the biography write-up-"he has also stated that she is a fan of Justin Bieber, and expressed interest in performing a duet with him", I was just going to add a reference http://arts.nationalpost.com/2011/03/21/rebecca-black-to-justin-bieber-would-you-do-a-duet-with-me/ to the sentence 131.162.159.120 (talk) 21:31, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

Rapper?

That's probably the most offensive thing I've ever read! Seriously though, if that's rap then Paris Hilton's metal. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.77.173.236 (talk) 01:01, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

Image, if anyone else is in favor

I hereby suggest that the Article should include a photograph of Miss Black just above her InfoBox. We do this here on Wikipedia for most other individuals on whom we have Articles. The Mysterious El Willstro (talk) 05:58, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Do you have a free, non-copyrighted image we can use? SilverserenC 04:05, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Memurrayjr, 24 April 2011

Rebecca black sucks so much!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11 eww Memurrayjr (talk) 14:33, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

This assessment of Rebecca Black is an opinion and so does not adhere to Wikipedia:Neutral point of view. Dcoetzee 14:43, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

Rebecca black ethnicity

What is her ethnicity? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.95.191.41 (talk) 10:17, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Quick Google search reveals only speculation and disagreement between three camps (Italian/Mexican/Random Ethnicity vs. she's a white girl who goes tanning vs. "who cares? You're racist!"). That being said, this is not really the place to ask. Talk pages are for improving the article in question, not for discussion of the subject. Try the WP:REFDESK. DubiousIrony yell 10:45, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
As with most Americans, I would say that it's probably a mix of multiple ethnicities. SilverserenC 11:03, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

The ABC interview has video of her mom being interviewed as well. Her mother has the last name "Marquez" and also is relatively dark complected, it seems likely she is Mexican. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.169.204.122 (talk) 18:00, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Joseph.p.wood, 1 May 2011

{{edit semi-protected}}

The youtube video has recieved over 2.5 million dislikes not 2.4. I suggest this should be changed [7] > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD2LRROpph0


Joseph.p.wood (talk) 18:53, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

 Not done: What you can is not important and not needed. Also youtube is not a WP:RSHardy Heck (talk) 19:58, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

"Many Music Critics"? "Worst Song Ever"?

There is a claim in the lede that "many" music critics negatively reviewed the song (in spite of the fact this was a vanity release by an unknown singer.) The three cites attached to that claim were not reviews per se. One cited article does, however, refer to four reviews including (ironically) a positive one from Rolling Stone. All four of those reviews turned out to be ironic commentary on Rebecca Black as a viral phenomenon more than assessments of the actual musical merits of her single. (The song is, in any case, an inane but listenable pop song which is by any objective standard far from the worst single ever released.) Timothy Horrigan (talk) 01:16, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Hoax posting with false claim Rebecca Black is pregnant

Rebecca Black is reported to be pregnant. Source is http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-607582. What is the guideline for how long to wait, or how the information gets confirmed before updating the article with this sort of information? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikkedit (talk • contribs) 15:45, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

That report is user-generated and unofficial. Her twitter page explicitly says that she's not pregnant. ~Ttony21(talk, contribs) 17:54, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
The report is also flagged by CNN as being under review -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 18:02, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
Nice work. Regarding my original question, I found the help section at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:PROVEIT#Other_issues useful, especially the section titled "Exceptional claims require exceptional sources". Wikkedit (talk) 13:10, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

It's a prank done by ebaumsworld. http://img204.imageshack.us/i/1305480167676.png/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.105.83.232 (talk) 18:37, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

"Appropriate and Clean?"

In her music video there's a thirteen year old driving a card and middle schoolers going to parties. Someone explain to me how that's appropriate? 76.235.129.231 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 04:43, 27 April 2011 (UTC).

How do you even know those kids are thirteen and the kids attending the party are in middle school? For all you know they're 16 and up. -- GunMetal Angel 04:12, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
How does one drive a card? 174.57.203.45 (talk) 02:31, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Pic

Here is a pic by Rebecca. [2] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.29.83.253 (talk) 20:02, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, images of living people must be non-free (and that image is copyrighted) —GFOLEY FOUR— 20:37, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from DillonMN, 25 May 2011

 Not done

To whom this may reach,

As you can see on Rebecca Black's website, www.rebeccablackonline.com, her manager is Debra Baum. On her Wikipage it says John McEntee. Wikipedia lists www.rebeccablackonline.com as her official website. If you go to this website and scroll down you will see on the right hand side Rebecca's management contact information, NOT JOHN MCENTEE. So please change "By March 25, 2011, Black hired a publicist and a manager. Her manager John McEntee, president of TEI Entertainment, Anaheim, California confirmed that he has been contacted by songwriters and record labels with ideas for more songs and an album.[20]" to "Black hired Debra Baum as her manager." And Rebecca's official website can be listed as the verifiable reference. If I need to supply more info, please reply and tell me! Thanks.


DillonMN (talk) 22:06, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

We go by what we can verify in reliable sources. Whoever her manager may be now, the reliable sources reported John McEntee as related to that part of her history and story and so will we. Active Banana (bananaphone 22:11, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
Did you not read the response? We go by what the reliable sources say. Active Banana (bananaphone 00:30, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
RESPONSE: (for the third time) NO we will not change the article to say that someone else other than the person named in our reliable source made a statement that they did not make. We report what the reliable sources state and that is that. Active Banana (bananaphone 00:37, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

I have to say that is the stupidest response I have ever read if it contradicts the person it self it is clearly not a reliable source in the first place. --174.45.204.216 (talk) 23:32, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

People change agents ALL THE TIME and can have different agents representing different aspects of their life/career.
All you have is that at the time you looked at the website, a certain name was listed as her agent at that time on her website. There is no evidence that McEntee was not her agent at the time he made the statement that we are quoting. And there is ABSOLUTLEY no evidence that someone other than McEntee made the statement that was in our reliable source. And if you find evidence that our source was mistaken, then we will completely remove the quote.Active Banana (bananaphone 01:41, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Negative reaction

Shouldn't it be discussed some where in the article that the reason this singer rose to fame was because the song was generally considered horrible? Ignoring negative feedback is just as biased as focusing on it. 75.39.32.138 (talk) 05:55, 25 March 2011 (UTC)


I don't know shouldn't we discuss how many negative anti everything assholes there are on the planet with a voice now because of the internet. All these losers who have never done anything in there life close to what Rebbeca did have to criticize her even though she's only 13 and having fun. We should have a section about how most of the planet is full of pathetic dildos who's brains would be of better use smeared on the side of the road somewhere.24.218.123.138 (talk)

There is clear main stream media coverage of this now being the most disliked video on youtube ever. A google news search of "most disliked video ever" is currently resulting in over 200 sources. To leave this out of the page is more biased than not including it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.6.175.122 (talk) 03:08, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

"The song was generally considered horrible"
It isn't horrible -- just hastily written -- and that's an opinion which is not encyclopedic. The song went viral for a simple reason: she is appealing. Her most important characteristic is that she appeals to the crowd, and that she connects with the camera. Her gravely voice, obviously genuine friendships, and strong intonation and rhythm, and genuine expressions are why she went viral. She is a mark of the success of the Information Society.
What I think is worth discussing is why such a high percentage of web maganzine writers and forum posters moved so quickly to attack her talent. I think she has exposed the root problem that society faces, and more important, the Information Society faces.--John Bessa (talk) 14:31, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
You're joking right? The video clearly went viral for how awful it is. I, like most, first heard about it from a friend saying "Dude, check out this f***ing awful song". 04:01, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
Stuff goes viral because it's bad just as often as it goes viral because it's good. Remember 2 girls 1 cup? That video went viral and it certainly wasn't because it was appealing; just look up reaction videos for it and you can see people throwing up because it's so disgusting. For the record I'm not implying Friday is that bad, but assuming it did well because it was good shows a basic misunderstanding of how people think. 74.115.126.183 (talk) 21:02, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Yeah the true problem is the internet is exposing just how much of an asshole everybody is when they have a computer to hide behind. 24.218.123.138 (talk)

I think it should be specifically noted, that 90% of YouTube users that rated her video clip disliked it. 195.113.65.215 (talk) 11:54, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

though i dnt like the song i think its unfair that evryones being such a b**** to her —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.25.147.251 (talk) 20:39, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

  • It does seem worth discussing that the lack of quality of the song is responsible for its fame. What's truly funny about it though, is that all of her detractors made her a star by making fun of her and parodying her, thereby giving her legitimacy and fame. If not for her extremely poor songwriting ability, nobody would have heard of her. 205.250.222.39 (talk) 03:47, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
She didn't even write the song. ARK Music Factory did. 184.152.83.22 (talk) 04:06, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Rebecca Black is 13?

That's sorta unbelievable. Because in her single Friday it shows her 13 year old friends somehow driving a car, which doesn't make any sense at all. Notshane (Talk | Contributions) 00:25, May 28, 2011 (UTC)

Videos are NOT real life. Active Banana (bananaphone 01:45, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

hell she looks like shes 18 maybe 19 i guess that ppl seem older then they are. [CECN BLAISSE ROBERT USN] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.26.177.70 (talk) 15:33, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Edit Request: "River" cover release

Rebecca Black has confirmed on her Twitter account that the cover of "River" and the YouTube channel it belongs to is by a poser. Anyone who is able to, please remove the information at Wikipedia ASAP. I can't because the page is protected. 218.186.17.237 (talk) 08:29, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

 Done. Darth Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 21:59, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, but erm.... LOL you've removed what is actually the truth! Rebecca Black did appear in the TGIF Music Video by Katy Perry. :D I was referring to the line "In June 2011, she uploaded another single instead on her VEVO-based account. It is called "River", a cover of a track taken from singer Lights' 2009 album The Listening.[34]" If you checked out Rebecca Black's twitter messages, she maintained that the VEVO-based account is fake and the cover too as well. The cited news was misled as well.

But anyway thanks again for listening. 218.186.17.234 (talk) 13:41, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Now, the River cover was removed and the "In Popular Culture" section has been restored. Sorry for any confusion this may have caused. Darth Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 16:38, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 58.179.125.214, 23 June 2011

Please change "Roberta Black" to "Rebecca Black" in the following sentence "In April 2011, the MTV O Music Awards, one of the annual awards established by MTV to honor the art, creativity, personality and technology of music into the digital space nominated "Which Seat Can I Take?" for "Favorite Animated GIF" that included footage by Roberta Black featuring 50 Cent and Bert."

Thank you.

58.179.125.214 (talk) 09:41, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

 Done Verified at source of original statement Jnorton7558 (talk) 10:00, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Under the "In Popular Culture" section it states...

Rebecca Black appears in the music video of Katy Perry's hit single "Last Friday Night (T.G.I.F.)", an obvious parody of Rebecca Black's viral song "Friday".[citation needed]

How can Katy Perry's song be a parody of Rebecca Black's song Friday if it was released in August 2010? Or is it trying to say the music video meant to be a parody? Either way I don't think it is "an obvious parody" of anything. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.182.220.226 (talk) 08:34, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

I agree with this, and ask that the entire section be removed. 68.35.40.154 (talk) 08:55, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
 Done While the song Last Friday Night (T.G.I.F.) was indeed released late last year, the music video was not produced until mid-May of this year, well after "Friday" gained viral popularity. That said, I've removed the section as it was unsourced. elektrikSHOOS 20:47, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Sofia1233 (talk) 10:05, 25 June 2011 (UTC) Shouldn't there be a section in the article where it says that the video has been removed. It does say so briefly in the beginning paragraph, but it doesn't exactly say so why. It has been removed because ARK music factory began paying people to watch the video. And Black's mother had paid $4000 for making the video and their were claims as to who kept the money and who exactly owned the video. Shouldn't there be a section on this? Because i happen to be confused.

4000.00 fee

I think "allegedly" needs to be added to the statement her mother paid 4000 for the video. It may be a quote, but it's still not true. The studio charges over 50k per video as an entry point. No one is going to write, record and produce a video for that cheap. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lnlogauge (talk • contribs) 17:09, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Fair use and image

In an earlier now-Archived thread, I suggested including a picture of Miss Black just above her InfoBox (as is general practice for other Articles on individuals). Someone mentioned the Copyright issue. However, something occurred to me just now. Rebecca Black is from the USA (so am I by the way), and our country's Copyright laws contain a fair use exception for scholarship- and research-based use of nonfictional material. As Rebecca Black is not a fictional character, this exception applies. (This fair use clause would not apply to Mario for example; we need Nintendo's permission to show him no matter what.) The exception is also revoked when one derives financial gain from said use, but, as Wiki is not a pay site, I don't see that as an issue either. So, are there any other objections? The Mysterious El Willstro (talk) 06:30, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Her Mom Paid $2,000, not $4,000

Her mother paid for her to have a song recorded by Ark Music Factory. She paid $2,000, not $4,000. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lavaster2 (talk • contribs) 05:01, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Do you have a source to back this up? We can't put this in the article based solely on your word. elektrikSHOOS (talk) 05:05, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Plants, 19 July 2011

Youtube -> YouTube (capitalize Y and T)

Plants (talk) 07:44, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

 Done I think Jnorton7558 (talk) 07:47, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Edit Request 21.7.2011

Can someone change "The music video has more than 160 million views, causing Black to gain international attention as a "viral star", before being removed from the site on June 16" to "The music video had more than 160 million views, causing Black to gain international attention as a "viral star", before being removed from the site on June 16". Verb is in the wrong tense. RumDrools (talk) 00:47, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

 Done I changed it to received. Jnorton7558 (talk) 01:36, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Ryancats23, 29 July 2011

add a photo of rebecca black

Ryancats23 (talk) 21:52, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

 Not done: Is there a non-copyrighted picture that we can use? Jnorton7558 (talk) 04:35, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Sorry to break it to you

Um sorry but Rebecca Black went to Milford middle school not in California she went to Milford which is in Delaware so get your facts strait please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Apersonudntknow:p (talk • contribs) 23:51, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

And why do you claim this.Can you source it.Try spellcheck too while you're at it.Sam 17:00, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Rebecca Black descent

You did mention that rebecca is from english, spanish, italian and scottish descent, but you don't mention his mexican descent since her mother is mexican ¿racism? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.155.69.168 (talk) 17:34, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

"his mexican descent"? ¿Sexism? a_man_alone (talk) 13:54, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Coverage assurance on things that are negatively received to the point where it's notable?

I noticed all from the song "Friday", it was so badly received worldwide that it actually had its own page with Black not even having her own article originally. This is just the case of people's dislike for something so much to where the page actually becomes notable because of its worldwide hate. I was thinking; if this is so, could the same thing be done for a page on Design the Skyline? (If you don't know about this band, Google, click on one of the YouTube results and shield your ears) They're so badly panned that I think their page could be created even if they only have one demo out and a full-length on the way while WP:MUSIC states that an article's notability is usually on instance of having two full-length releases and other things. But they are signed to Victory for one, and for two they already received a ton of media coverage from everyone's dislike for them. • GunMetal Angel 06:20, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

The dislike has to profound and widespread.There have to be references in the popular media.It has to attain a certain degree of fame.Then I assure you it will become a wiki article.Being bad does not validate an article.Ps:I consider this request highly out of placeSam 16:24, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
Well thanks for listening but as for the last part... well that's your opinion. Sorry you want to be rude about it. It was a question. • GunMetal Angel 16:33, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
This isn't the place for a new article request or idea.They have forums for that.Sam 16:59, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
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