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Όνομα

Πως σε λένε;--194.219.11.88 (talk) 20:23, 25 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Wha-?--TheAmericanizator (talk) 20:24, 25 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Λέω, πως σε λένε;--194.219.11.88 (talk) 20:57, 25 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

What's with you asking my name in Greek out of the blue like that?--TheAmericanizator (talk) 21:05, 25 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Επειδή βαριέμαι και θέλω να κουβεντιάσω με κάποιον.--194.219.11.88 (talk) 07:32, 26 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest that you find some other place then.--TheAmericanizator (talk) 12:29, 26 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Άκου φιλαράκο, δεν θέλω να είμαι αγενής μα έρχομαι σπίτι σου να κουβεντιάσουμε και με διώχνεις;--194.219.11.88 (talk) 17:08, 26 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Listen I don't even speak Greek and translators are already failing to make any sense of what you're saying, and in any case Wikipedia is not a forum. So please go find someplace else.--TheAmericanizator (talk) 17:24, 26 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you

Thank you, for your recent helpful edit to the pronunciation in the article Santorum (neologism). Much appreciated. ;) Cheers, -- Cirt (talk) 13:11, 1 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

My pleasure :P --TheAmericanizator (talk) 13:16, 1 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

IPA

Hi,

If you click on an ipa transclusion, like /hɪər/, you'll be taken to a key that explains to the IPA novice what the symbols mean. Please use the symbols as they are in the key; many of our readers have a hard time with the IPA and using multiple conventions just makes things more confusing. Sometimes we give local pronunciations, but the 'local' parameter should be used for that; by general consensus we don't give separate US and UK transcriptions unless there is a significant difference in pronunciation (as in 'vase'), as explained on the key. Basically we use UK vowels, as US vowels can be predicted from them, but keep /r/ and /h/ as in the US, as ar and aitch dropping is also predictable. Anyway, doing it that way from the beginning means less cleanup is needed later to keep things consistent. — kwami (talk) 03:21, 4 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

If you have a source that supports your POV, fine, but don't edit war over it when your sources contradict you. MW says the vowel is that of "mop", which is the LOT vowel, not of "father", which is the PALM vowel. We write the LOT vowel ‹ɒ›, and use ‹ɑː› for the PALM vowel. — kwami (talk) 17:23, 6 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

They're the same in American English, and the pronunciation I'm pushing is specifically American.--TheAmericanizator (talk) 17:25, 6 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

If they're the same, then it doesn't matter which symbol we use.

But they're not the same in American English, they're the same in some dialects of American English. New England is still in the US, and Boston and New York are not so obscure we can just ignore them. Even MW makes a distinction between \ä\ for the LOT vowel (our /ɒ/) and \ȧ\ for the PALM vowel (our /ɑː/). — kwami (talk) 19:06, 6 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Where did you get than info on Merriam Webster? On the app as well as the website they're both \ä\. Besides, it's impossible to cover every accent, that's why I think it's best to use General American. And AFAIK, GA is lot-palm merged.--TheAmericanizator (talk) 19:37, 6 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'm going by the print version of MWCD 10. Both 'father' and 'palm' they transcribe as \ȧ\ for New England. 'Mop' and 'lot' they have only as \ä\. On their Pronunciation Symbols page they explain \ȧ\ as "father by those who do not rhyme it with bother". The phonetic realization differs from RP, of course, but that's of little importance, since we're not giving a phonetic transcription.

It may be your opinion that it's best to ignore New York and Boston when speaking of "American" English, but that's not been the consensus of WP as a whole. True, we can't accommodate everybody: we ignore Scots, for example. But we have tried to be as inclusive as reasonably possible. I don't see the advantage of ignoring one of the largest English-speaking cities when we already support it and it doesn't cost us anything to include it. — kwami (talk) 20:52, 6 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Really? Then how about including Chicago, third most populous city in America, where lot and palm usually have /a/? And /æ/ is usually /ɛə/ or /eə/? You can't include every city, what you're doing is showing a distinction that the vast majority of North America does not make.--TheAmericanizator (talk) 20:59, 6 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]