Talk:Flag of Libya

Symbolism

I'm a bit skeptical about the symbolism of the 4 regions of the flag. I'm not able to find any other sources for that corroborate that information; frankly it sounds like a joke, and a pretty good one actually. Can anybody provide any sources to support this? Ultranaut 01:06, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

It's currently under investigation by both User:Zscout370 and myself. Zscout contacted the Libya embassy in the US for more details, and also going through Google hits. For now, the hoax tag will suffice. Killfest2—Daniel.Bryant 01:37, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Google hits showed nothing of any four corners symbolism. It did show about the Green Revolution and Islam's colour. Hence, I removed the currently-questioned information, pending the response we get from the Lybian embassy in the US. Killfest2—Daniel.Bryant 01:44, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Note that the probable hoax about the 4 regions was added by User:66.178.22.82, whose edits have some blatant vandalism and also look like they may contain a lot of sneaky vandalism. Everything from him should be checked carefully. Redquark 01:53, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

From the books that I own, none of them said anything about the four regions, so I will assume it is a hoax now. We are still working on the ratio, but I should get a reply back by the end of the week. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 01:56, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Agree. It's most likely a hoax. – Adhemar 20:57, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Nevertheless, for future reference of this discussion, I'm going to copy the concerned sentences hereunder, so I don't need to look them up in the history just in case I find some source backing this up.

The top right corner of the flag represents peace, the top left represents life, the bottom right represents faithfulness to the country and the bottom left represents unity.

Ok. I'll look more later, but I had to fill out a spam-filter notice with the embassy, so my response is probably delayed. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 23:08, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Nothing from the Libya Embassy in the US, so I will try the embassy that is in Canada. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 04:34, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Merge with Libya?

This flag is currently the 2nd world's greatest idea( next to snakes on a plane of cource). I don't think this needs it's own article to explain a brief history of Libya's flag and symbolism of the color green--Scott3 02:42, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Nah, most other African nations have a seperate article for their flag (see the template). Just leave it for now. Killfest2—Daniel.Bryant 02:57, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Keep. Every nation state has an article on their flag and a good portion are stubby, like this. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 03:19, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

New sentence in the opening paragraph

I added it, feel free to reword/remove it if you don't like it, but I felt the article should reflect the degree of notice the flag has received because of its odd design.Isaac Benaron 18:37, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Flag ratio 2:3?

The flag that appears in the upper right corner says that the ratio is 2:3, and yet the flag that is displayed clearly has a ratio of 1:2. A ticky-tack complaint, but it sort of looks dumb. I don't know if the image is incorrect, or if the claimed ratio is incorrect. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Usuallylogical (talk • contribs) 17:43, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Hmm... The Guide to Flags of the World ISBN 0-688-01141-1 shows a 1:2 ratio, the Complete Flags of the World ISBN 1-4053-0031-0 states a 3:5 ratio, while the World Encyclopedia of Flags ISBN 0-7548-0167-5 states a 1:2 ratio. On-line, FOTW says 1:2. I think we can safely conclude that it's not most typically 2:3 (though FOTW has a note that there may be 2:3 variants)... AnonMoos (talk) 21:50, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

The only thing we, the vexillology community, know is the flag is green. Even many of the sources we usually find to be accurate, they have no clue what to say about the Libyan flag, except that it is green. We don't know the shade of green, nor we know what the ratio is. AnonMoos, do you think it is possible we can change the flag back to the green shade we had earlier, but keep the 3:5 ratio, for the time being? User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 17:01, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

The color change is due to Commons:User_talk:Flad, who seems to be starting to go through all the Arab national flags and state emblems, and changing various shades of green and red to his idea of a uniform monolithic standardized red and green taken from the pan-Arab colors. I left a note about it on his Commons talk page, but I only reverted the flag and COA of Lebanon so far... AnonMoos (talk) 04:06, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

I noticed the Lebabon stuff. Anyways, I don't have specific color guides for Arab flags, so I will try and start looking when I got the time. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 06:28, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

I just found out that a vexillologist will be visiting Libya in the coming days, so I hope some of our questions will be answered in the coming days and months. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 06:14, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Though hardly a definative answer, Commons:Image:Tripoli September 1st Flags.jpg is an anecdote for 1:2. 71.205.107.239 (talk) 22:52, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Nah in the 1st of september shop owner are required to hang flags on there shop facades. So they hang whatever green cloth they have handy. Not even anecdotal. Hakeem.gadi (talk) 03:31, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Libya, the country

location:north america,bordering the mediterainean sea,between egypt,tunisia,algeria,southern border with chad,niger,and sudan —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.209.238.243 (talk) 00:38, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

(talk) 11:08, 17 March 2009 (UTC) i am a school student in need of as much info as possible asap on libya —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.123.27.134 (talk) 18:30, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Then go to the Libya article, not this one. AnonMoos 11:09, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

"no design"?

The first paragraph regards the flag as "no design", I doubt it.

Yes the flag is just a simple green field, but this does not necessarily mean that the flag has no design. Say there should be an official "green color", how "green" did the flag choose? What should be the aspect ratio of the flag? These considerations are design also.

After all, the choice that "the flag is single colored" is already a design itself.

Maybe rephrase "no design" as something like "no other pattern design" will be more accurate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.236.69.12 (talk) 04:35, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

"It was designed by Libyan leader Muammar al-Gaddafi."

That must've been a busy day. I bet he was up all night working on it. Annatto (talk) 20:49, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Eagle flag?

I actually saw, a long time ago, the Lybian flag with a Golden Eagle in its top-centre, and I thought it was some sort of presidential flag or something. But now I can't find any source to back-up what I am saying. Did I dream about this or what? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.63.136.38 (talk) 20:51, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

Presumably incorporating the Coat of arms of Libya.... AnonMoos (talk) 10:44, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

No, it was highly likely the flag of the Federation of Arab Republics. 87.211.40.7 (talk) 06:39, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Ongoing revolution

The rioters against Khaddafi's criminal regime seem to use the old flag of before 1969 as a replacement for the green one. Can anyone confirm this ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.157.145.159 (talk) 10:59, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Yes! There are many newspaper photos for example [1]. Also TV footage on the BBC of it being flown in Benghazi. It seems to have lost any connotations with the former King of Libya - certainly I am not aware of any calls for restoration of the monarchy. The Green flag of course is irretrievably associated with Gadaffi's politics. Also its introduction represented a cooling in relations with the rest of the Arab world in favour of closer relations with sub-Saharan Africa. A pity because it is quite a beautiful flag in its simplity. Let's also remember the 1970s Libyan flag which was a close copy of the Egyptian, Syrian and Iraqi flags of the proposed United Arab Republic. If photos emerge of that flag being flown it will be difficult to determine whether the protesters consider it their own, or are showing solidarity with the Egyptians; although, it is the Libyans most deserving of that at the present time... 87.113.88.76 (talk) 22:15, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Well be ready to change the flag if they make the old one new again. :p They might also modify it ofc. TheArchaeologist 17:18, 23 February 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hpelgrift (talk • contribs)

Sometimes even Wikipedia should have respect for the blood shed and accept that over half the country uses the independence flag, inclusive most relevant embassies. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.186.101.146 (talk) 01:04, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

I have removed the infobox and described the current situation in the lead paraghaph - i hope we can all agree on this Dn9ahx (talk) 01:17, 24 February 2011 (UTC)u

I agree, I think it is ok, lets hope the green flag wont be there too long

Unfortunately it is still the official flag of Libya until the protestors/revolutionaries officially depose that swine. Then we can cast his old flag into the depths of history. I don't like it anymore than you do, but we just need to wait a day or two more. Be at peace, my friend. =) TheArchaeologist 02:36, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

I think the current format is good: it keeps to the reality that Qaddafi isn't quite deposed but acknowledges that the Jamahiriya is no longer the only government in Libya. It won't be long before that green flag and all it represents are buried. --134.10.30.163 (talk) 02:45, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Other than the flags shown we also see a lot of tribands, charged or not, with equally proportioned stripes. Like this. Urpunkt^☎ 03:51, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

There also a vertical tricolor can be seen on a photo by Aljazeera. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.80.137.114 (talk) 14:00, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

vertical here too http://www.calgaryherald.com/business/4332361.bin?size=620x400s —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.19.171.88 (talk) 23:29, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

It's a bit easier to make I would think, rather than three long peices of material it is just three fat rectangles. Easy to sew imo. TheArchaeologist Say Herro 06:38, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

On tv i saw ab horizontal flag with the cressent and the star on one side an only black on the other side —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.8.150.58 (talk) 23:30, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Tripolitanian flag

A flag of the Tripolitanian Republic would be good to add. 65.93.15.125 (talk) 13:36, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

This website has the flag of the Tripolitanian Republic if someone would like to upload it, [2]. It's the blue on with the palm tree when you scroll down. It should be I'n public domain as it was created before 1923. Spongie555 (talk) 09:30, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Added image Dn9ahx (talk) 21:00, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

alternate rebellion flag

Another image

I made an image which shows a flag similar to those that are often seen on TV news reports: with stripes of equal height, and a crescent similar in shape to that of the Turkish flag. AnonMoos (talk) 16:03, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

It should be noted that a vast majority of the flags have upright stars, and the star and crescents varying between Algerian and Tunisian style versions, while other have ones that are less encompassing like the ones found on the Flag of Mauritania and Flag of Pakistan --Thegunkid (talk) 14:48, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

How can you make a flag based on what you see on TV? Do you have a picture to support this distorted height varient? - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 21:25, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Because if you're paying attention, and the angle of view is at all favorable, then the difference between a central stripe twice as high as the top and bottom stripes vs. a central stripe the same height as the top and bottom stripes is really, really obvious. I'm not claiming that it had or has any official status, just that it's reasonably close to the flags that some people are using... AnonMoos (talk) 00:55, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Makeshift Variant of Flag

alternate rebellion flag

Under the History section of the page, with five citations, it is stated:

During the 2011 uprising against the rule of Muammar al-Gaddafi, the 1951–1969 flag – as well as a makeshift version without the crescent and star symbol – came back into use in areas held by the Libyan opposition and by protesters at several Libyan diplomatic missions abroad.

On the Historical Flags section, however, the flag displayed has the crescent and star symbol. I'd like to draw administrators' attention to this anomaly so it can be fixed asap. Alex 41.190.90.150 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 07:58, 5 March 2011 (UTC).

The protestors seem to be using modifications of the pre-1969 flag more than the pre-1969 flag itself -- most often with equal stripes, sometimes including a star-and-crescent, sometimes not. The wording is to indicate the range of variations. AnonMoos (talk) 11:24, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

Neutrality of the present version disputed

In view of the present situation in Libya I'd like to dispute the neutrality of approach taking side of the Gaddafi administation with removing the flag used by National Transitional Council from infobox claiming that it's not the official flag of Libya. (Sadly I have to mention that Fn1m at first failed to give a valid explanation for his content removal.) The National Transitional Council, is, at the present moment one of the governments contesting for the rule over Libya, it claims being the only legitimate government of Libya, and is recognized at such, as far as I know, by France and Portugal. From its point of view, the Gaddafian flag is certainly not the official flag of Libya. I don't want to push the opinion that claims of the for being the official flag of Libya are equally good for both sides, at the present moment, but I believe that the version of infobox where the National Transitional Council's flag was included (as of 22:23 March 10, by Lynbarn) did just good - it stated that it's the flag currently in use by Libyan protesters and representing an alternative government of Libya, thus providing complete information on the current state of what the flag of Libya looks like. In my opinion, the alternative flag should be included in the infobox, for the sake of information, without giving undue weight to opinions of either side of the present Libyan civil conflict which the official flag is. --Hon-3s-T (talk) 08:51, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

Partially agree -- the inclusion of the de facto and much-used flag of the government of Libya as recognized by France is not frivolous, but things haven't advanced far enough yet that we should be absolutely "neutral" between Khaddafi and Benghazi. User:Fn1m seems to be motivated as much by his preoccupations with sovereignty in the Balk‎ans as by any interest in the flag of Libya as such... AnonMoos (talk) 09:41, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

@AnonMoos: I believe that Wikipedia should be neutral and should provide the neutral coverage of the situation. And the 1951 flag is currently being used - both inside and outside of the Libya - for representing the administration - one of the administrations - contesting for the rule of Libya. I don't want to go into legal niceties (such as claiming that the fact the 1951 flag is being flown by some Libyan embassies no more loyal to Gaddafi does constitute some 'tacit recognition of the flag' in kind) - my point is, that, at the present moment, that flag does - to some degree - which is limited - does represent Libya both internally and internationally. I do not want to give equal weight to presentantion of the 1977 and 1951 flag, as, in my opinion, the version I linked to was good enough - it did not claimed the 1951 being the [only] flag of Libya, or the flag with equal claim for representing Libya as the 1977 one, yet still included it in the infobox, for quick info. Perhaps, I'd suggest, it should be more expressly stressed, that neither the National Transitional Council nor its flag is widely internationally recognized (something like 'The flag used by National Transitional Council, recognized as the government of Libya [only] by ....') It should be perhaps also covered in the article in greater detail.

Probably it's quite unusual to include a flag other than an established/internationally widely recognized one in the infobox of the article dealing with a national flag - but Libya - at the present moment - is certainly in a very unusual situation. --Hon-3s-T (talk) 18:15, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

I removed the flag from the infobox as it was presented as A flag of protesters, not as the flag of the "National Transitional Council". If that usage can be substantiated by a realible source, it would go a long way to warrnating it's inclusion in the infobox. - BilCat (talk) 14:37, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

And please refrain from comments such as "due to recent pro-Gaddafian edits by users Fn1m and BilCat. See talk". You do not know me or my motivations, and I consider such characterizations of the edits of others as personal attacks. - BilCat (talk) 15:06, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

@BilCat: I did not comment on you or your motivations, I did comment on your edit. And - yes - the flag was presented as the flag of National Transitional Council. I do apology if you were offended for it. Thanks for your understanding. --Hon-3s-T (talk) 16:17, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

We could follow the example of the page about the Flag of Abkhazia Dn9ahx (talk) 21:43, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

I have done this now Dn9ahx (talk) 22:04, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

It's obviously an anti-Gaddafi article. The Gaddafi government doesn't only claims to be the government, it is the government. National Transitional Council is only recognised by France, what about all the others 200+ countries? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fn1m (talk • contribs) 12:58, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

No, it's not, but on a more salient point, none of the sources given show the official adoption of the older flag by the new government. Have they made any official statement on the flag? If not, it shouldn't be noted as their flag, but simply the flag of much of the Libyan opposition (which is sourced). Chipmunkdavis (talk) 14:46, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

That is why I have described it as the flag used by the Libya Republic rather than the flag of the Libyan Republic. It appears on their official website and is displayed behind their spokesperson when he makes an official announcement. It is therefore used as a flag by the council, even if it has not been stated in law. It may even fly over the Libyan embassey in Paris. --- No Law has ever adopted the Union flag as the flag of the United Kingdom but it is widely accepted as the flag of the UK as it is used by the British Government as a national flag. Dn9ahx (talk) 16:41, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Well, link to their official website and cut out the other pointless sources then. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 16:49, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

That would be a good idea, why did I not do that in the first place??? Dn9ahx (talk) 17:32, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

I believe the article is much more balanced than before, though not exactly the version I was proposing. Should the {NPOV} tag be removed now, if there are no more objections? --Hon-3s-T (talk) 17:21, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

And thanks to Dn9ahx for changes.--Hon-3s-T (talk) 17:21, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Thank you :-) Dn9ahx (talk) 19:24, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

As placer of the NPOV tag, if you feel your concerns are addressed I believe it'd be up to your discretion to remove it :) Chipmunkdavis (talk) 17:24, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

I see, but I wanted to ask, just to be sure.Hon-3s-T (talk) 17:32, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

well, the 1951 flag is the de facto flag of Libya now. Of course there is no constitution describing the legal official flag at this point, but that's irrelevant, as the title is "flag of Libya", not "constitutionally defined flag of Libya". Lots of flags are simply de facto flags, especially historical ones. --dab (𒁳) 10:25, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Timing

Are we not being a bit premature here by presenting one flag as a current flag and another as a former flag. Nothing has actually been established yet. Mtaylor848 (talk) 10:08, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Official flag of Libya

In this time official flag of Libya is the green flag. Only the change of libyan act about libyan flag, national anthem and national symbols could change official flag of the country. The tricolor flag is only proposed flag to change the green flag and the symbol of revolution, NTC and Kingdom of Libya nothing more and nothing less. So don't change the flag in this page.Boniek1988 (talk) 16:04, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Umm, the NTC, and thus their flag, anthem, and so on are currently recogized by over 70 countries as the legitimate rulers of Libya. Not to mention that the flag is being flown at the Libyan UN mission...208.63.177.188 (talk) 01:27, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

70 countries is less than half so the Green would be more appropriate untill there is more than half of the countries in the world recognising it. ([[User talk:|talk]]) 16:53, 14 September 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.21.219.194 (talk)

you are just making this up now. Where did you get the idea that a flag becomes official as soon as "half of the countries" have stated they recognize it? --dab (𒁳) 11:47, 20 September 2011 (UTC)