Talk:University of Notre Dame

Criticism of Obama Speech

I think this part of the article deserves expansion. Obama's political party is becoming an alternative religion for most American Roman Catholics who are their members. Shouldn't the Catholic Church be worried that nowadays there are two kinds of Catholics in American politics, the real and the fake ones, and most of the Congressmen and Governors of the Democratic Party are now "God bless abortion" Catholics? In fact there is only a Roman Catholic in the Senate from the Democratic Party who is pro-life. Is this a good example for the Catholic Church worldwide? To have a single real Catholic and 18 fake Catholics in a party where until 1973, most of their Catholic members were overwhelmingly pro-life. Since there are no virtually atheists and agnostics in American politics, it makes all sense that many of these fakes are closet atheists and agnostics. At least a positive aspect in his speech is that Obama agreed that all true and honest Catholics have to be pro-life.85.240.17.190 (talk) 22:41, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Note as well there is no mention of the controversy over the so-called "Notre Dame 88" against whom the university filed trespassing charges for protesting the president's speech. This was until the files were dropped a major cause célèbre in Catholic circles. --Sephiroth9611 (talk) 01:39, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

His speech, which certainly wasn´t written by him but by one of his speechwriters, simply stated the obvious, in a insultuous politically correct way to the Catholic Church and his role in the pro-life movement, to please abortion supporters whitout being problematic apparently to the pro-life Catholics and the pro-life University of Nôtre Dame.85.240.17.190 (talk) 22:46, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

University of Nôtre Dame, after all his supposed to be a Catholic University. 81.193.215.68 (talk) 03:09, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Recent criticism?

Should there be recent criticism included in this article? For example, the death of student Declan Sullivan at practice? --Aronoel (talk) 19:40, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Catholicism not explained sufficiently

Notre Dame is less Catholic than the article makes it out to be. The Obama speech is not the only controversy they have had. 69.246.10.16 (talk) 02:58, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Indeed, there is not a single mention as far as I can see of the infamous Land O'Lakes Statement of 1967 that gave cover for Catholic institutions to secularize. A pivotal point in Catholic higher education in the US is totally ignored. --Sephiroth9611 (talk) 01:39, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

I think you are right. They are much less strict then the Catholic University of America. From Wikipedia article about The Catholic University of America: "In a letter to the campus that next month, CUA President David O'Connell wrote: I consider any pro-choice advocacy — whether deliberate or accidental, whether presented under the guise of academic freedom or right to free speech — as incompatible with that fidelity and not worthy of The Catholic University of America.[30]" This has happened several times in the University of Nôtre Dame.81.193.215.68 (talk) 03:40, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

The United States Conference of Catholic Bishops in his 2004 pronouncement stated that Catholic institutions should not give "awards, honors, or platforms" to "those who act in defiance of [Catholic] fundamental moral principles." Obama also supports death penalty and doesn't want to change anything in the way it is applied in the United States.85.240.20.39 (talk) 21:43, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Football

The claim of 13 National Championships in football is patently ludicrous. ND has won 7 NCAA championships in football. The AP has only awarded National Titles in football since 1936. The "other" titles were awarded way after the fact by computers. Also a doublestandard exists in this regard...why is it that every "title" ND has been awarded, legitimate and phony computer title, is counted towards the total, whereas with other teams (Oklahoma and Southern California for example) only the AP/UPI titles are counted? I submit that the number be reduced to the ACTUAL number of NCAA titles ND has won...7. The alternative is to update the numbers for other teams that only have the AP/UPI counted. --TobusRex (talk) 15:27, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Hello TR - This is a major can of worms across the whole sports world - NCs in general, not ND specifically. Your basic premise, though, isn't correct. Alabama, for example, claims 13 NCs and USC 10 (had been 11 before vacating the 2004 debacle). For SC, look at the Wiki here USC Claimed Titles and SC Athletic Department Page. I have never seen a university athletics page of the scores I have researched that restrict their NC claims to AP, which started in the 1930s. The topic is well-covered in the Wikipedia article about it hereCollege_football_national_championships_in_NCAA_Division_I_FBS. regards, Sensei48 (talk) 00:39, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Colors

There is a problem with the sourcing for the university's colors, listed in the infobox as "Madonna blue and papal gold." The reference supporting this, however, is to the university's "visual identity" handbook, essentially a style sheet for publications and media. Visual ID .pdf That document states "The official colors of the visual identity are Madonna blue and papal gold" - not those of the school itself. The athletic department correctly identifies and explains that the sports teams wear gold and blue, and in that order - UND Athletics. Now, the heraldry of the coat of arms

File:Notre dame coat of arms.png

The Coat of Arms

of the university indeed features Madonna blue and papal gold - those are the colors depicted here. However - the SEAL of the university, included in the infobox, - University Seal||right|150 px|thumb - is the standard gold and blue, neither papal nor Madonna. The visual identity is not representative of the actual colors - the "Madonna blue" has never been worn as athletic colors, nor featured on pennants, nor on diplomas, nor anywhere else I can find or recall except for post-2009 publications. The sports monogram itself -

- is the traditional blue, far closer to navy than Madonna. This error needs to be changed, which I will do when I get a second source in addition to the athletics dept page cited above. Sensei48 (talk) 01:00, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

With sourcing from an article on the Grotto from ND's website, changing today as above. Sensei48 (talk) 22:58, 22 August 2011 (UTC)