Talk:Brecon Beacons

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The following content has been moved from Talk:Brecon Beacons National Park, following the merger. Blisco 15:18, 20 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Expansion tag added, as this is very short compared with other national park articles. I'm sure we can find more to say SP-KP 18:42, 8 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Definitely there is more to put. I think perhaps the problem is knowing how to split material between this page (on the national park) and Brecon Beacons itself. Telsa (talk) 11:17, 24 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Geopark

A recent BBC news story ( 'Amazing' Beacons win top honour (which seems to be about six months late) points to the park authority's page: Fforest Fawr Geopark. There's lots more that could be added, so I leave the URLs in the hope that someone will get around to it before I do :) Telsa (talk) 11:17, 24 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed merge

Most of the national parks in England and Wales have one article for the NP and the geographical area, so it makes sense to do so here given the paucity of information in both articles. Of course we'd have to make clear that the NP covers a wider area than the Beacons proper. I'd also suggest that once the merger is done, the page is moved to Brecon Beacons; I'm doing it this way round because Brecon Beacons National Park has more information and contains the National Parks template. Blisco 08:25, 2 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've taken the lack of comment as indicating silent approval, and carried out the merger. Contrary to what I've said above I've moved content from Brecon Beacons National Park into Brecon Beacons, to simplify title issues. Blisco 15:18, 20 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

In fact it seems to me that there is a case for the splitting of Brecon Beacons (mountain range) from Brecon Beacons National Park since they cover quite different expanses of country. The national park covers so much more than the range which gives the designated area its name, including of course two completely separate mountain ranges in the Black Mountains and the Black Mountain far to the east and west respectively. Comment welcome! Geopersona (talk) 19:31, 28 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Personally I agree but the original comment was a while ago :) --Herby ^{talk thyme} 19:32, 28 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed it was - it surprises me that nobody has revisted the question in nearly 4 years! I'll give it some more thought though and see how 2 separate articles might shape up before doing anything precipitately - there are bound to be counter-arguments made and a discussion would be appropriate. Geopersona (talk) 19:44, 28 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed divorce

I am recommending that separate pages be established for the mountain range known as Brecon Beacons and for the national park which takes their name. The reason for this is that the former extends over just a small area in southern Powys (a few tens of square kilometres) whilst the latter extends over a much larger area including substantial parts of Carmarthenshire and Monmouthshire, extending to several hundred square kilometres.

The Brecon Beacons National Park is almost alone amongst the British national parks in being named after a small area contained within its boundaries. In the case of the Lake District, Peak District, North York Moors, Yorkshire Dales, Exmoor, Dartmoor, Snowdonia and Pembrokeshire Coast, New Forest and Broads the designated protected area is more or less coincident with the named location. It is not so in the case of either the Cairngorms or the Brecon Beacons where the name of a single mountain range has been used as convenient shorthand for a number of ranges and neighbouring landscapes assembled into a national park.

In the Scottish example, there are separate articles on the mountain range known as the Cairngorms and on the recently established Cairngorms National Park. These articles are not without their own issues but the issues are not those of identity of place.

An article which concentrated simply on the mountains east of the A470 road and west of the Talybont – Pontsticill road and which was perhaps titled Brecon Beacons (range) would cater well to the hills. A separate article titled perhaps Brecon Beacons National Park would do a better job of referring to the wider protected landscape which encompasses that range together with the Black Mountain, Fforest Fawr, Black Mountains and other hills, valleys, moors and settlements between Llandeilo and Abergavenny, between Hay on Wye and Merthyr Tydfil.
Geopersona (talk) 21:14, 3 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There has been some debate of a similar nature concerning the Grand Canyon and the Grand Canyon National Park - see the latter article's discussion page. Geopersona (talk) 04:51, 4 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Location map

I've uploaded a location map of the Brecon Beacons to Commons (shown to right). I have not created an associated {{location map}} template, but this can easily be done if desired.

If this is created, it will enable creation a map of the Brecon Beacons similar to the one under construction at Talk:Dartmoor#Location map, and could be used in related articles (see this example). Hope people find it useful.--Nilf anion (talk) 22:11, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've added the template: you can use it like this:

Brecon

Abergavenny

Brecon Beacons (Brecon Beacons)

Andreww (talk) 09:01, 8 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Dangerous mountains?

I have removed a couple of lines which refers to the mountains as being particularly susceptible to changes in weather conditions and their being dangerous in winter. Whilst these views may be asserted by some contributors, the Beacons are no more or less susceptible to changes in the weather than any comparable area so the text is quite un-noteworthy. Nor are they especially dangerous in winter - hazards there are, just as there are weather and terrain-related hazards anywhere for the unwary - again though it is not a noteworthy aspect of the Beacons. cheers Geopersona (talk) 09:02, 8 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Settlements of the Brecon Beacons National Park

I don't find the two sections on 'Towns and villages' of the national park and 'local councils' particularly helpful. Most of the latter are redlinks in any case, at least at present. The former is curiously formatted too. I suggest that they'd be better dealt with in a fashion similar to that on the Dartmoor page where they are contained within an information box at the foot of the page. I may get around to doing that unless arguments against it are suggested. cheers Geopersona (talk) 09:14, 8 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have now made a change. Geopersona (talk) 21:02, 16 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]