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Reception on most recent Priates of the Carribbean film

Can someone take a look at this (check recent edit history for more)? I was under the impression that our reception mixed/negative/positive statements came from Metacritic (when possible) which clearly says mixed in this case. I think the IP editor is making an assumption based on the RT score (which is pretty common and I used to think it worked that way, too). Originally, I just restored the original mixed statement. Then once it became clear he wasn't going to let it go, I just removed the sentence entirely to jump straight to the stats (which we've done in the past when reception consensus has been debatable and constantly edit warred over). But the guy is so determined that I'm wondering if I'm not mistaken. He's also a little snarky and wildly misusing the idea of weasel words and I'd rather just back out of it now before I go into edit war/incivility land, regardless of how it shakes out. Millahnna (talk) 18:59, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

It helps to use other sources too. I'm not sure if "mostly negative" is a good description because it sounds like the film was universally panned. Here are some other sources that could be used: 1, 2, and 3. Erik (talk | contribs) 19:06, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

That's why I keep restoring it to mixed (and then went with removing that sentence entirely and jumping straight to the stats). I haven't created content in that section at all. I just have the page on my watch list and saw the edits fly by, so here we are. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't misinterpreting the reception portion of the MOS in my reverts of the IP who is changing it to "mostly negative". And, assuming I'm NOT misinterpreting, I'm at 3 reverts and apparently not explaining it well. He recently dropped a note on the article's talk page. If anyone can explain to him, please have at. Millahnna (talk) 19:19, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

A suggestion: Let's move the discussion to the article's talk page. --91.10.25.182 (talk) 19:37, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

Request for comments

This is a neutral request for comments concerning the use of film reviews for early cuts at Red Dawn (2012 film).--TriiipleThreat (talk) 17:49, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

2011 election

Everyone, it is time for a new coordinator election. We are a little late for one since the previous one was in September 2010. The plan is to have a two-week nominations process from October 1 to October 14 and to have a two-week election from October 15 to October 29. The nominations process for the election will be announced via newsletter, which will be distributed in a few days, and there will be a mid-month announcement to invite editors to support candidates in coordinator roles.

Obviously, the lateness of this election reflects the minimal activity of coordinators, not just this past year, but in general. I'm happy to discuss whether having this roundtable of coordinators is still a good idea. We editors seem to have a penchant for discussing a lot of topics on this talk page but tend to have our own pet projects in different corners of WikiProject Film. It's hard to tell if there is ever a chance to do something collaborative on specific topics. If you have any ideas or thoughts in general about the WikiProject structure, feel free to share! Erik (talk | contribs) 20:16, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

I think collaborative efforts would work if they were introduced by a co-ordinator or group of co-ordinators, but they're unlikely to arise spontaneously. I'd be willing to take part in anything that was declared to be the official WP:FILM collaboration of the month/week/year/whatever, but I imagine that I'm not the only one who'd be reticent to actually suggest one as just a member. I guess if someone who was elected as a co-ordinator from the project was to suggest something, a quick straw poll could determine its popularity (no point working together on something no one actually wants to do after all) and we'd see involvement from there. Just my two pence, really. GRAPPLE X 20:51, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

I've wondered if there was interest in an official collaboration, and I suppose the best way to find out is to announce suggestions! :) One possible approach is to list articles of films whose anniversaries are coming up and see which one most people want to contribute to. The developed and featured article could be presented on Wikipedia's main page for its anniversary. We could look up the 10th, 25th, 50th, and 75th anniversaries in 2012 or in succeeding years. Erik (talk | contribs) 20:57, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Looking at 25th anniversaries in 2012 would give us Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope, Saturday Night Fever, Close Encounters of the Third Kind, Smokey and the Bandit, Annie Hall or Eraserhead. 30th anniversaries include The Godfather, The Poseidon Adventure (1972 film), Cabaret (film), and Deliverance. I'd say we could probably pick one of those as the 'centre' of a collaboration, aim to bring it to FA status, and try to find a relevant Good Topic to promote around it - for instance, Eraserhead might be the intended FA and a David Lynch filmography could be brought to GT (there's already a few Bs, a GA and an FA in there); or The Godfather could form the core of a Godfather series GT with the other films, the novel, and any relevant character articles like Michael Corleone. Would give us a few articles in the scope of the project so there's a few stages of achievement to meet. GRAPPLE X 21:14, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

I think this would be a great idea. I notice a lot of WikiProjects are idle; a little "kick in the pants" would help some of us lazier editors get off of our butts. I think many editors suffer from the "too many choices" syndrome when trying to figure out what to work on. Another collaboration idea would be to identify core film articles that are poor quality but heavily linked-to (i.e. a lot of our genre and subject pages) and prioritize them for cleanup. I definitely like the anniversary proposal, these pages are likely to see an uptick of pageviews if there is any press about their birthdays. The Interior (Talk) 23:22, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

No need for any coordinators, IMO. Everything I've done over the past year for this project I would have done anyway, regardless of being a coordinator or not. Lugnuts (talk) 09:50, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

I don't think coordinators are needed. Actually, I think the whole thing is overly bureaucratic and hierarchical. What does the coordinators page really mean? IMO not much. Almost nothing pertains to coordinators only. I can only find two differences between coordinators and a non-coordinators:

1. coordinators have the responsibility of a few procedural tasks, and
2. coordinators should serve as the designated points-of-contact for procedural issues

But,

1. no approval vote is needed for this, neither is it a guarantee that anything will be done
2. this talk page should be the points-of-contact

I've stumbled upon most of the coordinators, and I appreciate their edits a lot, but I've never seen any one of them in their role as a coordinator. Maybe there is something important I've overseen, but right now I just don't see the use. jonkerz♠ 11:44, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

It boils down to this: "There is fairly little involved that couldn't theoretically be done by any other editor, of course—in only a few places have the coordinators been explicitly written into a process—but, since experience suggests that people tend to assume that someone else is doing whatever needs to be done, it has proven beneficial to formally delegate responsibility for this administrative work to a specified group." It could be true, but there has not been much activity historically for coordinators (me included) to feel compelled to be involved. WP:MILHIST is an example that WP:FILM follows closely, and they have excellent milestones and motivation. Is there a reason we cannot do anything similar here? I like Interior's idea about working on film genre pages, especially since Tony1 thought they were bad enough not to be linked to at all. We each seem to do certain things really well, and it would be nice to combine our skills on certain topics. Lack of collaboration is epidemic on Wikipedia—look at the GA backlog—so it's a matter of figuring out what works for us editors of film articles and actually putting it forward. I can't imagine if that can be done with coordinators or not; it just seems that otherwise, it's just somebody thinking out loud. Erik (talk | contribs) 12:24, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

We could always just pick an article a week that deserves better and should be required reading on the subject, like Star Wars the real Episode 1 as someone mentioned above and we blitz it in that week (Not a strict deadline obviously) with sources and rewrites/organization to raise it to GA or even FA status. I myself have had my eye on Ghostbusters which, while certainly not terrible, could be a lot better and should be because it's freakin' Ghostbusters. It's a massive cultural icon. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 14:31, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

It might also be worth keeping a banner up with long-term goals, similar to those used by WP:MILHIST and WP:SIMPSONS. It would basically be up to the co-ordinators to update and replace any of these goals as they're completed, giving them an extra janitorial task really. I'm also going to start fielding suggestions for a collaboration to test how well they'll work, I'll start a new section to get some ideas so we can decide on something. GRAPPLE X 18:37, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Good articles

I just updated the list of good articles at WP:FILMSPOT since it was missing some articles from different years. I compared articles listed here to what was in the table and added overlooked articles to the table. Since WP:FILMSPOT is a page that transcludes several pages, I created the shortcut WP:FILMGA for more direct access to the list of good articles. I encourage other editors to list good articles there when they are promoted. I removed some articles that are now featured and some that were delisted, which brings me to my question. Do we want to maintain a list of delisted good articles? We could have a list that we don't actually maintain by identifying articles whose talk pages have the WikiProject Film banner and are in the category "Delisted good articles". Anyone know of a way to generate such a list? Erik (talk | contribs) 15:33, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2011 September 29#Template:SatellteAwardBestActorMotionPictureDrama 2001-2020

Could someone please take a look at this nomination? I have no knowledge about this sort of thing. — This, that, and the other (talk) 07:25, 29 September 2011 (UTC)