Talk:Child prostitution

rewrite

I have done a substantial rewrite, using solid sources, incorporating appropriate text from original. The reasons for moving the article from 'child prostitute' to 'prostitution of children' are clear from the section on 'terminology'. I trust that this will be acceptable to others interested in the article. Alternatively, please express your views here so that we can debate. Zingi —Preceding undated comment added 16:23, 18 May 2005.

This is odd... Zingi had put {{date}} instead of a date stamp on the above comment, so it was always listing the current date... presumably an error. The comment was actually made June 6 2005.Herostratus 22:40, 27 February 2006 (UTC).

Thanks for fixing it. Zingi 11:39, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

The comment was actually originally made on "16:23, 18 May 2005" according to the history. I've used {{undated}} to subst the original date. — pd_THOR ^{| =/\=} | 19:35, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

I can understand not calling the article "child prostitute," but why isn't it called "child prostitution"? Joey Q. McCartney 01:34, 4 March 2006 (UTC). Never mind, I see the reasons. Joey Q. McCartney 02:02, 4 March 2006 (UTC). But an improvement would be something like "Commercial sexual exploitation of children (prostitution)." Article looks good though. Joey Q. McCartney 02:13, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Enjo kosai

Contrary to the rumors that many people believe, there is little to suggest that enjo kosai is anything other than a voluntary and conscious decision on the part of the prostitute herself--for this reason alone, it stands as rather unique within the topic. There are similarly rumors to the effect that yakuza abduct women and sell then into prostitution. Granyed that this has been fodder for countless Japanese melodramas, but again, no proof is on display at yer lokul myusee-uhm. ("at your local museum" for those who are new to the English language--see sarcasm) Sweetfreek 02:12, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• Accepted. However, it may be viewed as the prostitution of such children by the 'users' or 'partners' of such children. The crux is that it is usually adults who create child prostitution through their demand for children as sexual objects, even if the children 'voluntarily' agree to that because of the financial benefit. Zingi 05:50, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• When we're talking about child prostitution, declaring that it is a 'voluntary and conscious decision' seems very misleading. It implies fault on the part of the victim, which is nonsense because however 'voluntary' the decision - which is both debatable and patently unprovable - it is still the adult, the 'client', taking advantage. Onearmkill (talk) 12:06, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Hoooo boy! Alright, Zingi, I've encountered this one before. But before we go any farther, we(you and I) must establish between ourselves a clear and carefully defined definition of the word "child"... and this task I shall leave to you, because I'm a nice guy. Sweetfreek 02:27, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• 'Child' is defined in international conventions (eg in the Worst Forms of Child Labour Convention of the International Labour Organisation) as a person under 18 years of age. Zingi 11:39, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Actually, in England, you can have sex on film when you're age 16. In Japan, the legal age varies, and until very recently was 12 in Tokyo. I don't know what it is now. IamthatIam 04:04, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Age of consent laws worldwide

Actually, in many countries the age of consent (not for prostitution, where the law is normally stricter) is actually even lower than 16, eg. in Spain it is 13 and in some non-western countries. You can see the exact laws at the map to the right. In general, as one can see, when it comes to sex, a person is considered an adult at an earlier stage than 18 in most countries. --84.210.127.4 (talk) 21:08, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

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The whole cause of child prostitution is the USA's (& UK's) wage system which IS slavery but no one thought so. Now we can see USA built everything wrong & was blinded by all the empty free land, which is why we thought building cars, roads, houses & small buildings for wages was right, but it was wrong. Now we can finally see that USA & all nations should have begun working part-time building only massive 100-story live/work/play Tower cities connected to maglev Trains to save lives, save the Earth, & eliminate all the work slavery. It would be easy if we just admit the wage is slavery, & employees are slaves, & corporations are slave plantations. And union strikes are slave rebellions. We can't end child sex trade/prostitution by making it illegal without giving all those children a guaranteed income (RFID) so that taking away their means of making money doesn't leave them to starve. Every person needs an RFID GI. Sundiiiaaa 18:14, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

i would like to subscribe to your newsletterTowers84 07:36, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

content needed

This topic despetdlty needs pictures — Preceding unsigned comment added by 160.36.100.146 (talk • contribs) 01:55, 23 August 2005

Definitely! How can we correctly understand the complex issues at hand without reference to pictures of an appropriate selection of scantily-clothed child whores? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 196.207.40.213 (talk) 22:08, 8 January 2007 (UTC).

This is highly illegal in the united states - what are you expecting? just the thought is bad enough — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.2.152.148 (talk • contribs) 02:09, 31 May 2007

Wow, what a comment. Is this a bathroom wall or wikipedia? We could of course add pictures of you in handcuffs, being carted off by the FBI. :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by BWCinfo (talk • contribs) 06:50, 9 July 2007

Where is the info on Africa? Does child prostitution there just "go with the territory" and not need to be accounted for? I don't understand such a huge oversight.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.27.136.149 (talk) 20:25, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Intro and other improvements

I rewrote the intro somewhat to to provide a simple generic definition outside of national and international law. I also rewrote the section that talk about teen prostitutes being seen by some as a separate category. The section had a minor NPOV issue in that took the "Convention on the Rights of the Child" definition and implied it was the only acceptable definition. I did some rewording so as to state to be clear that it's the most common definition without stating that other definitions are wrong, from a general standpoint (i.e. outside the law). --Cab88 21:02, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

3% of 106

" “La Strada-Ukraine” in 2001-2003, based on a sample of 106 women being 'trafficked' out of Ukraine found that 3% were under 18" - instead of saying 3%, wouldn't it be 3? - Richardcavell 09:34, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

it was 3.18! simple mathematics my dear watson... aussietiger 14:22, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

and are you going to take that 0.18 of a person? i hope there's a serious discount. 66.177.213.82 15:14, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

this pg needs to be reworked

this is confusing, and the subtitles follow in an odd order.. specific info is ify Chrrea 17:50, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Bias

I added a note that this article doesn't seem to be presenting a neutral point of view. I just redid the section on Terminology, and hopefully removed the bias there. But it still exists in other parts of this article.

Wikipedia is intended to be an online encyclopedia that presents verifiable information in an impartial manner. Even if every contributor to an article holds the same point of view, that should not be clear to anyone who reads the article. The article itself should be neutral.

As written, this article implied that everyone who granted sexual favors for profit who was under the age of legal consent was being victimized by an adult who was profiting from their actions. That is not true. For example, school girls selling favors ranging from holding hands to sexual intercourse has been common in Japan, especially in large cities such as Tokyo, but pimping is relatively rare there. Someone may argue that they are still being victimized, but that is an opinion. Frankly, it is also an opinion that anyone who is working for someone else is being victimized. Even if everyone contributing to this article believes they are being victimized, the article itself should remain neutral

I invite others to examine the rest of the article and the section on Terminology, to help remove the bias. IamthatIam 04:53, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Removed bias tag, no sources provided from scholarly academics in fields of sociology or psychology to support this view. Addhoc 09:57, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Bias: I am tempted to remove the links to Andrea Dworkin's audio not that they are not bad but: (A) they dont refer in particular or in general to child prostitution and (B) she is a radical feminist who holds _ALL_ forms of prostitution and pornagraphy inherently exploitative of women. If I see no obejections I will remove them but re-insert them in her biography article perhaps including a link to her bio in the See Also for those that wish to follow this particular line of thought. (I am not a censor!). 220.240.58.190 15:33, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

One of the audio links refers to trafficing in general (again not children in general or specifically nor are children mentioned that i remember) but if there is a "trafficking article" I will put the link in there instead... 220.240.58.190 15:36, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

DONE! The audio links are already in her article. There are some trafficking article but not specifically sexual and somehow they dont seem to quite fit. 220.240.58.190 15:51, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

This article is still biased. It presents child prostitution form an entirely negative point of veiw instead of a neutral point of veiw. 75.129.160.187 11:53, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

• So you are suggesting we make an article on child prostitution that doesn't view it as negative? Sorry to point this out, it is negative. It is negative simply being a punishable crime all over the earth. Show me a person who doesn't think its negative. There isn't such a source that exists. 71.123.183.173 (talk) 19:56, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Just because you believe that every person is steadfastly opposed to anyone under 18 being a prostitute does not justify a biased article. --74.46.73.31 (talk) 08:15, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Action to end exploitation

A link to this wikipedia article and an external link (which I reworded to hopefully make it NPOV) have been added. My question is, does this specifically fit this article? It looks like the group covers a lot of ground beyond the scope of this article. Opinions, please! Toyalla 18:59, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

This article is the same as the one on CSEC

Srsly! They're the same topic, so they should be merged. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Awesimo (talk • contribs) 06:53, 19 June 2007

History

Shouldn't there be something about child prostitution in the past, and how our current views have developed ? -- Beardo 13:43, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

"In the People's Republic of China, only prostitution of children under 14 is illegal"

As far as I know, prostitution is illegal in China rgardless of the age, but having sexual contact with a girl under the age of 14 by a male over the age of 14 will be charged with sexual contact with a minor, which is a more serious crime than raping an adult. (In China, the legal age of consent is 14 for girls)

Source: http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%85%92%E7%AB%A5%E8%89%B2%E6%83%85#.E4.B8.AD.E5.9C.8B.E5.A4.A7.E9.99.B8.E7.9A.84.E6.B3.95.E5.BE.8B

http://www.yfzs.gov.cn/gb/info/xsll/shfx/xfx/2005-09/14/2009495180.html

http://www.chinalawedu.com/news/21605/10200/103/2004/7/re4922448341627400284612_126645.htm User:cecikierk 00:56, 8 November 2007

lede image

SqueakBox (talk · contribs) reduced the thumbnail of the lede image to 110 pixels. This is contrary to the manual of style guideline (Wikipedia:MoS#Images), and does not seem to fall under any of the exceptions listed. I don't assume this was done to censor the image, as the editor didn't actually remove the image, but w/o an elabourative edit summary I don't understand the validity of the reduction. Anybody? — pd_THOR ^{| =/\=} | 21:12, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Strange. I removed the image sizing specification per my reasoning here, and SqueakBox reverted me saying via edit summary: "rv it was better before". How so? And in consensus with whom and compliance with what? Reading Help:Reverting, Wikipedia:MoS#Images, and my comments here doesn't provide any reasoning. I ask again, does anybody to include the involved editor have any input on the matter? — pd_THOR ^{| =/\=} | 06:23, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Organized Crime

From my own experience in dealing with the problem of child prostitution in Philippines for some 20 years, and from also being involved in the situation a little in Cambodia and Timor, this trade is nearly always controlled by organized crime and polititions, at least in Asia, cant speak of elsewhere though. Government involvement by corrupt politions in these countries is high. I would suggest we add two detailed sections to this article in more detail, the first being on organized crime in the trade and the second section about corrupt political involvement in the trade. Anyone have any feedback or suggestions on this? Kind RegardsSusanbryce (talk) 23:52, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Please read our verifiable and [[WP:|reliable sources]] policies and then go for it. Thanks, SqueakBox 00:01, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Breakdown of Countries

We may also want to add a breakdown of each country highlighting some facts, extent, laws, etc. This would make the article very long and its a lot of work, what do people think?Susanbryce (talk) 23:59, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Go for it. Thanks, SqueakBox 00:02, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

ThankYou for your reply SqueakBox. Ill work on a breakdown then of all the countries across asia. Ill leave it up to others on the rest of the world. Kind RegardsSusanbryce (talk) 00:18, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

That sounds cool. I await your work with anticipation. I am located in Latin America, another (sadly) relevant area, perhaps we could collaborate afterwards? Best wishes. Thanks, SqueakBox 00:21, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Are you by any chance in Brazil, Im familiar with the fact that a lot of organized crime involved in the child prostitution trade in the Philippines have substantial interests in brazil in this also. Ive had some previous discussions before with another user on what ive established is the asia network is in fact all one crime syndicate, but getting the relevent citations is going to be difficult. I would certainly be interested in working with you on developing a latin america section also. Kind regardsSusanbryce (talk) 00:46, 16 February 2008 (UTC) Susanbryce (talk) 00:46, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Undue weight

The situation of a female being pregnant at the age of ~11 is uncommon. Uncommon enough to be record setting. Putting a record setting situation in an article without adequately explaining its uncommonness, is not giving due weight with reality. Even if it were explicitly stated that the event is extremely uncommon, the image still has no place in the article because the article isn't discussing the rare event of child pregnancy at that age. It would be much more suited in an article like this. The image itself draws an emotional response from the reader in the context of this article making it fallacious in this usage and entirely misleading.

Simply put: one can not neutrally illustrate a topic by one rare exception, no matter the validity of that exception. 高 20:21, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Make note that this is impossible. Simply put: there are no neutral or positive resources. They just don't exist. Its like trying to neutralize the subject that blowing up the earth is bad. 71.123.183.173 (talk) 20:00, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

An amazing television story on teen & preteen prostitution (in USA)

I was watching PBS just now, and, on the TV newsmagazine program NOW, correspondent Maria Hinojosa reported on the prostitution of teen and preteen girls in the Atlanta, GA area. I highly recommend it to anyone concerned about this kind of child sexual abuse. The program, including audio, video, and supporting information, is available at PBS.org. The potential for using the facts and figures cited to improve this and other articles makes this a resource worth checking out. I've done a fair bit of reading regarding this topic, and I was still incredulous at the prevalence of underage prostitution. --SSBohio 01:13, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

84.253.141.63 (talk) 05:11, 5 November 2011 (UTC) After watching this video, I don't understand why in the "extent" part of this article USA is not mentioned. Is it because there is a specific article? If it is not, then it really looks like a bias. In fact the entire extent section seems to only talk about poor countries, and never mention any western one, there including most european countries. Since the mayor of Atlanta say that there are thousands of children taken into prostitution in that city, I think that alone justifies adding USA to the list. More sources can be found dealing with the problem in other european countries.

Children's prostitution (work)

The article defines child prostitution as coerced but admits that some children take part willingly. As "children" of the same ages have willingly participated in prostitution throughout history, a study (article) may be required for that as well. 82.27.229.138 (talk) 17:54, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Germany "Schulmädchen-Strich/Strichjunge"

In Germany it's not called "Schulmädchen-Strich (school girl street prostitution) but "Babystrich". And it is not similar to Enjo kosai "Pocket money prostetution" like stated in the article but mostly drug addiction related or forced upon them by criminals. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.73.91.42 (talk • contribs) 03:14, 1 April 2009

Suspicious statistics

The article says "According to Estes and Weiner, 12 to 14 is the average age of entry into prostitution for girls under 17 years old in the United States while the average age of entry into prostitution is between 11 and 13.[4]" The last statement sounds as if it applies to the general population of prostitutes. (1) This is highly suspicious -- the mean of a right-censored sample can not be higher than a mean of uncensored sample (unless it is the male prostitutes' contribution which seems doubtful) (2) I was not able to find confirming citation in the study cited -- but it is a study of *child* sexual exploitation; hence again a censored sample.

The phrase should be rewritten. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.105.201.149 (talk) 07:09, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

I just read the Estes and Weiner article and I don't see any information statistics about prostitutes who are older than 18. The study is based on self reported information and this statistic (12-14 years old) is from a very small sample size (170 individuals). Also, I am unable to find the numbers "162,000 U.S. homeless youth are child prostitutes (CVE) and that 57,800" anywhere in the report. It would be helpful if the citation linked to the full report rather than the Executive summary and if it included page numbers of where each statistic is reported. —Teacurran (talk) 03:21, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

NPOV

I've editted much of the first section to make it more neutral. The resto f the article could do with it too, but I don't have the time. oOver all, it's very (undertandibly) negative toward the topic. 66.43.47.176 (talk) 07:45, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Are you fucking kidding me? I'm removing the neutrality tag. WLU (t) (c) Wikipedia's rules:^simple/_complex 01:42, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Info on Africa

There needs to be a section added on child prostitution in Africa. I think someone mentioned it above, but it needs to be mentioned again. Also, I agree that there needs to be some acknowledgment of that the statistics used may not have consistent definitions of child prostitution. The terms child prostitute and under aged prostitute seem to be used interchangably and that creates confusion not clarity. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.68.231.82 (talk) 15:46, 19 September 2010 (UTC)