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August 2010
Please do not add original research or novel syntheses of previously published material to our articles as you apparently did to Maharashtra. Please cite a reliable source for all of your information. Thank you. the statement you have referenced to two books finds no mention in either. If you continue to add this without consensus you will be blocked
—SpacemanSpiff 07:23, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
- Your claim is wrong. Please check the sources properly and you will find the following statements per the citation: The first problem they faced was which variety was to be taken as standard for description. This they solved by adopting the speech of Deshastha Brahmans of Pune. This is no original research. I have reported the matter to Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2010-08-15/Deshastha Brahmin due to your belligerent attitude and derogatory language used here.[1] Zuggernaut (talk) 01:35, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
Please read Talk:Maharashtra#Marathi_statement_dispute discussion. Thanks. --Redtigerxyz Talk 15:50, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
The article Maharashtrian Bhakti saints has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
- Unsourced, orpahned article with no content other than a list of apparently non-notable people.
While all contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.
You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.
Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing {{dated prod}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. The speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Svick (talk) 21:24, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
August 18 2010
STOP! Vandalising and spreading false info of your own or from unreliable websites in many wiki pages, like upanishad for example. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.164.80.122 (talk) 21:27, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
You seem to one of those Islamic or christian fundamentalist who wants to spread false info against other faiths from unrelaiable source. STOP VANDALISING WIKI PAGES AND SPREADING HATRED OTHERS FAITHS JUST BECAUSE YOU DON'T AGREE WITH THEIR BELIEFS.
You were already warned many times by moderators for vandalising and spreading false info and hatred against other faiths from unreliable sources. Watch it.
TempUser1234567 comment added by TempUser1234567 (talk) 21:27, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
Ayodhya debate
The article Ayodhya debate has been renamed to Ayodhya conflict by an editor without any reference or discussion. I must note here that Ayodhya dispute is clearly not an armed conflict like Kargil Conflict and neither the mainstream media or government refers to the Ayodhya dispute as conflict. Even the term Ayodhya conflict has never been used in the article itself. Could you revert the name of the article back to Ayodhya debate or dispute.--UplinkAnsh (talk) 08:11, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
Accusation of Sockpuppetry
You have accused me on the British Empire FARC page of being a sock puppet. If you have any reasonable grounds of suspecting this please request a check user as I said on that page I have nothing to hide. If you do not have any reasonable grounds then you owe me an unreserved apology. Outofsinc (talk) 11:23, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
Merry Christmas!
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Hello
Hi Zuggernaut, hope you're well. As an editor who has used the services of the Guild of Copy Editors, I thought you might be interested in knowing that the Guild is currently holding elections for its coordinators. To view the discussion and voice your opinion, please visit the election page. Thanks! Lunalet (talk) 10:36, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
Ganga move
Please contribute to discussion on talk page. Yogesh Khandke (talk) 15:07, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
Hello
Hi Zuggernaut, hope you're well. As an editor who has used the services of the Guild of Copy Editors, I thought you might be interested in knowing that the Guild is currently holding elections for its coordinators. To view the discussion and voice your opinion, please visit the election page. Thanks! – SMasters (talk) 15:06, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
- Saw your edit count 3000+ since July, you are moving fast. I didn't mean to hurt you about your table, sorry nevertheless. Don't forget wp:GREATWRONGS. Can't leave the discussion untill it has reached its logical conclusion, but hence forth I will engage myself in simple editing and creating new pages, instead of wasting time arguing.Yogesh Khandke (talk) 22:17, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
- Don't worry about the table and no need to apologize for it. I'm not sure GREATWRONGS is applicable here because we aren't dealing with problems with content. It's more about the bias faced due to an under-representation of a particular community and it needs to be fixed in a better way than by having a project or simply a FAQ in the NPOV. Otherwise 100s of millions of readers are going to read misleading articles. Zuggernaut (talk) 05:48, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
- Like you said it is a numbers game, if more and more editors from a diverse background start editing English Wikipedia, the articles are bound to reflect the diversity of the backgrounds, competent, careful, wikilaw abiding editors. Wonder what you think of the table on Ganges' discussion page, have a go at it if you wish.Yogesh Khandke (talk) 12:27, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
- Some ot these 100s of millions of readers have to turn into good editors, then the bias would be lost.Yogesh Khandke (talk) 12:32, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
- That would take a while, perhaps decades. I'm beginning to find that the existing mechanisms (project for countering systemic bias, a mere mention in the NPOV FAQ) to combat the bias aren't sufficient. One last avenue that I am aware of and haven't tried out is the village pumps. I will give it a shot shortly and see where it leads. Waiting for those 100s of millions of readers to turn in to editors isn't a timely solution and the articles like British Empire, Famine in India and Ganga need to change sooner than later. Zuggernaut (talk) 17:04, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
- (1)British Empire is a clear breach of Wikipedia rules like wp:V the units part, wp:OR the maps, and wp:UNDUE, it is not balanced, the process for FA scrutiny is too lax, it comes across as an obit., the whole tone is poor, it is not bias, it is beyond that, somehow the system has been circumvented, but is it really worth the trouble to raise Cain. (2)One can write an article a day and stay out of trouble, and hope that more and more editors from diverse backgrounds, open minds, and brave hearts come around. (3)Having said that at Ganges Jayen has done a fantastic job, why don't we talk at the Ganges page, so that we do not have to face allegations of canvassing and what not. (4)On famine have you read Henry Hyndman? And other socialists? (5)You have been coming up with great paper sources, where do you find all the books you quote from? (6)Freedom at midnight and another book has mentioned Savarkar's homosexuality, I wrote to the other book's author but received no reply, I did not find contact information for Dominique Lapierre, I wrote to www.savarkar.org they said that Gopal Godse has refuted the allegations but gave no sources???? Yogesh Khandke (talk) 19:59, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
- Never heard of Henry Hyndman. The leads for the sources come from general reading. Freedom at Midnight is not peer reviewed material. It's just a book. Zuggernaut (talk) 17:17, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
- Hyndman was very critical of the Imperial Establishment, and even the Indian's in UK (early 20th century) found him too radical. I suggest you write articles written by him.Yogesh Khandke (talk) 15:13, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
- (I have a problem logging in perhaps because of a virus resident on my PC so this anon edit. user:Yogesh Khandke)I had written to Dominique Lapierre seeking his consent to a discussion on Freedom at midnight, he wrote back agreeing to it. Do you have access to Freedom, will it be possible for you to send a scan of the text related to Savarkar from Freedom? What has Dominique based his allegations on? Are there footnotes or references. I had read Freedom a long time ago in the summer of '82 when I was in 9th standard, a hazy recollection is that Savarkar's homosexuality is mentioned as a footnote related to Gandhi's assasination.117.195.64.67 (talk) 02:03, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
- I have only a peripheral interest in this and I do not have a recollection of reading the book. I googled the quote today, here's what it came back with:
- (I have a problem logging in perhaps because of a virus resident on my PC so this anon edit. user:Yogesh Khandke)I had written to Dominique Lapierre seeking his consent to a discussion on Freedom at midnight, he wrote back agreeing to it. Do you have access to Freedom, will it be possible for you to send a scan of the text related to Savarkar from Freedom? What has Dominique based his allegations on? Are there footnotes or references. I had read Freedom a long time ago in the summer of '82 when I was in 9th standard, a hazy recollection is that Savarkar's homosexuality is mentioned as a footnote related to Gandhi's assasination.117.195.64.67 (talk) 02:03, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
- Hyndman was very critical of the Imperial Establishment, and even the Indian's in UK (early 20th century) found him too radical. I suggest you write articles written by him.Yogesh Khandke (talk) 15:13, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
- Never heard of Henry Hyndman. The leads for the sources come from general reading. Freedom at Midnight is not peer reviewed material. It's just a book. Zuggernaut (talk) 17:17, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
- (1)British Empire is a clear breach of Wikipedia rules like wp:V the units part, wp:OR the maps, and wp:UNDUE, it is not balanced, the process for FA scrutiny is too lax, it comes across as an obit., the whole tone is poor, it is not bias, it is beyond that, somehow the system has been circumvented, but is it really worth the trouble to raise Cain. (2)One can write an article a day and stay out of trouble, and hope that more and more editors from diverse backgrounds, open minds, and brave hearts come around. (3)Having said that at Ganges Jayen has done a fantastic job, why don't we talk at the Ganges page, so that we do not have to face allegations of canvassing and what not. (4)On famine have you read Henry Hyndman? And other socialists? (5)You have been coming up with great paper sources, where do you find all the books you quote from? (6)Freedom at midnight and another book has mentioned Savarkar's homosexuality, I wrote to the other book's author but received no reply, I did not find contact information for Dominique Lapierre, I wrote to www.savarkar.org they said that Gopal Godse has refuted the allegations but gave no sources???? Yogesh Khandke (talk) 19:59, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
- That would take a while, perhaps decades. I'm beginning to find that the existing mechanisms (project for countering systemic bias, a mere mention in the NPOV FAQ) to combat the bias aren't sufficient. One last avenue that I am aware of and haven't tried out is the village pumps. I will give it a shot shortly and see where it leads. Waiting for those 100s of millions of readers to turn in to editors isn't a timely solution and the articles like British Empire, Famine in India and Ganga need to change sooner than later. Zuggernaut (talk) 17:04, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
- Some ot these 100s of millions of readers have to turn into good editors, then the bias would be lost.Yogesh Khandke (talk) 12:32, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
- Like you said it is a numbers game, if more and more editors from a diverse background start editing English Wikipedia, the articles are bound to reflect the diversity of the backgrounds, competent, careful, wikilaw abiding editors. Wonder what you think of the table on Ganges' discussion page, have a go at it if you wish.Yogesh Khandke (talk) 12:27, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
- Don't worry about the table and no need to apologize for it. I'm not sure GREATWRONGS is applicable here because we aren't dealing with problems with content. It's more about the bias faced due to an under-representation of a particular community and it needs to be fixed in a better way than by having a project or simply a FAQ in the NPOV. Otherwise 100s of millions of readers are going to read misleading articles. Zuggernaut (talk) 05:48, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
| “ | At the age of twenty-eight, Godse had finally taken that ancient Hindu vow whose observance had so concerned and troubled Gandhi, that of the Brahmacharya, the voluntary renunciation of sex in all its forms. He apparently remained faithful to it for the rest of his life. Before taking it, he had only one known sexual relationship. It was homosexual. His partner was his political mentor, Veer Savarkar. | ” |
- Zuggernaut (talk) 05:33, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- Not enough, we need page numbers, edition, and other things, thanks a lot nevertheless. Any go?Yogesh117.195.65.78 (talk) 07:27, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
ANI
from my experiences at ANI, administrators hardly get involved unless the issue is clearly black and white or some procedural violation. This case, being a procedural violation, there is a chance for someone stepping in. it is better to leave the ANI thread short and express major concerns and leave it at it unless we are absolutely required to respond. the concerns are often well understood without us having to rehash it multiple times. i know it is hard to resist. --CarTick (talk) 04:06, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
- Okay, I will stay away and watch from a distance from now on. If the problems are not sorted out, I will start preparations to take the issues through WP:DRR. Zuggernaut (talk) 04:14, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
This is to notify you (as you are a participant in the above ANI) that I've made several restriction proposals at this discussion which you may wish to comment on. Ncmvocalist (talk) 07:06, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
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Upanishads
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UpanishadsHello Zuggernaut, I don't think adhering to one style of citation is as important as keeping those quotes in the footnotes. They are among the best pieces of information in the article. Regards, Mitsube (talk) 06:27, 23 August 2010 (UTC) Happy to help The initial sentence: "Criticisms of the Upanishads range from an ill-conceived and half-thought out bluster, to scholarly but scathing ones." is not encyclopedic. Either these weak arguments are really just nonsense--in which case, there is no point in engaging them--or they are legitimate and strong criticisms which deserve to not be disregarded by calling them "ill-conceived and half-though out bluster." Please post on my talk if you think I can be of further assistance. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 06:21, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
 You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template. Your GA nomination of UpanishadsThe article Upanishads you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold TalkbackYou can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template. --King Zebu (talk) 19:43, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
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Deshastha
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DeshasthaYou wrote, Shakher59, you have uploaded several pictures on Wikipedia, some of which are being used in Deshastha Brahmin. It'll be a lot of help if you can provide more information about the pictures. Things like location of the pictures, when they were taken, the occasion, whether they are Deshastha Rigvedi or Yajurvedi and perhaps their last names, etc will be of great help. Thanks. Zuggernaut (talk) 00:29, 30 July 2010 (UTC) The pictures' title has the period when they were taken. If I give names of the people, the photographs will be immediately deleted for being of non-notables. These pictures are there simply to show what deshastha people look like to the average wikipedia reader who would have no idea as to what a deshastha person looks like. That is why I am not happy about the picture of contemporary deshastha couple being deleted. I don't see anybody else putting a new picture of contemporary deshastha family either. All my B & W photos are from 1950s and 1970s. Having a color picture does make sense so if you have one, please add it to the article. By the way, all the people in the photographs are deshastha, mostly yajurvedi. The munj ceremony is of a yajurvedi family.Shakher59 02:23, 31 August 2010 (UTC) I;ve responded at your peer review page.Lihaas (talk) 23:24, 8 August 2010 (UTC) I deleted your content "disgraced and ruined...." because Arthur Crawford on page 127 of your reference in the footnote only alludes to Bajeerao disgracing one deshastha man for having a copy of Sahyadree khand and not the whole deshstha community. Also I have noticed that in recent edits,a lot of people including you and at times myself, have started relying on free books available on google as references. These are very old books by western authors and don't always have a neutral point of view. Use these references but even in the text mention that "according to so and so..... That way the reader can make his or her own conclusions rather than going through the reference list.74.9.96.122 (talk) 14:20, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
Jaggannath, Please provide solid references that all deshasthas are the original brahmin inhabitants of maharashtra. the reference below on Nasik brahmins speculates that Madhyandin yajurvedis came from Gujarat within last 600 years. [3]74.9.96.122 (talk) 20:37, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
If current claims substantiate the claim then please cite it after "original"74.9.96.122 (talk) 20:51, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
Young Mr. Jaggannath, Send me your email address and I will send you the image of the article74.9.96.122 (talk) 17:44, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
74.9.96.122 (talk) 19:56, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
Approach Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Requests for copyedit. Moving {{copyedit}} to article as convention. --Redtigerxyz Talk 16:30, 15 September 2010 (UTC) Deshastha BrahminsHi, i noticed that you have reverted my corrections to the image captions under the claim that it violates WP:MOS. Well, i beg to differ. The common convention is that captions that form a complete sentence should end with punctuation. If you take a look at my edits, then yo u should notice that all i did was to correct the image captions which formed complete sentences. Let me quote it for you:
Joyson Noel Holla at me! 06:12, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
Copy-editIs it all right with you if i open a request for copy-edit regarding the anglicization of the spellings and dating, or do you plan on making the necessary changes yourself? Joyson Noel Holla at me! 11:46, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
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British Empire
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British Empire[6] The Red Hat of Pat Ferrick t 08:28, 21 September 2010 (UTC) ANII have raised the fact you have been canvassing over the India/British Empire articles at the Admins notice board here. Thanks. BritishWatcher (talk) 23:05, 12 September 2010 (UTC) HiI'm going Wikipedia:Contact us/Article problem/Vandalism before actually talking to the founders and co-owners... But before that, I'll make a sadbox out of the history section and present it for discussion and then let's see what happens from there... thanks :) Amartya ray2001 (talk) 08:56, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
Amartya ray2001 (talk) 11:19, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
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Famine in India
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