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Balwant Singh Bagwal - article review

Can't stand blank talk pages - looks like you have no mates!

I would be grateful if you or one of your stalkers could take the time to check my recent edits at Balwant Singh Sagwal and at Ajmer Singh. I am having a spot of bother with an editor whose contribution history and style seem to indicate a newbie but who was aware of WP:OWN. Rather stupidly, I did not check their history but that is precisely because their talk page stuff suggested that they did in fact know what they were doing (sort of).

NB: I moved the first article - it was originally at Ballu. - Sitush (talk) 17:40, 12 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, no worries about the above now. I've been taken to ANI (again) & doubtless someone there will review what has gone on. - Sitush (talk) 18:38, 12 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Sitush, I'm just going to block you right now and then see what's going on at ANI. Your constant whining over "reliable sources" and "neutral point of view" is becoming a drag. Drmies (talk) 22:32, 12 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Funny how many references are made to Ballu (when they're really not necessary) in The Hindu right after his death. Drmies (talk) 00:00, 13 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
TLDR. Perhaops you should do that block. I am fed up of it. I try to "keep things in order", in full knowledge that (a) that is a subjective statement & (b) I am pretty darn sure I have the community consensus there, right in the policies etc, so the subjectivity may still exist but in the context of WP ... well, bollocks to it. I do not deny that I could have handled this particular situation better: I saw WP:OWN& kinda thought "well, they must know their way around".
It is often the case that I cannot prove it but I remain convinced that in many instances I am dealing with socks and meats. Meanwhile, I am trying to be constructive elsewhere - you could take a look at the three or four articles I have been fettling this last week (perhaps Erasmus Smith or Kumar Suresh Singh stand out, insufficient although the former will be for the next couple of days, but there are others). I don't think that this particular instance is a sock/meat, but it is perhaps someone who has been around for a while as an IP.
How many times am I going to be dragged to ANI? It sometimes seems that I am there more often than the bloody administrators are, and it invariably ends either neutral or in my favour. The admins (you included) must be fed up of seeing my name. I enjoy the research and the by-ways that I travel along that route but as far as India-related stuff goes, well, it is just a hell-hole of POV, OR, SYNTH, poor phrasing, entrenched attitudes etc. And WMF seems to be implicitly encouraging this. I applaud anything that reduces systemic bias etc but the cost/benefit right now seems to be considerably skewed, and it is not assisted by the fact that admins generally seems to want to keep well away from the area (itself, perhaps, an indication of systemic bias - they feel that they do not know enough about the sphere & so would rather not ...) I know that they are trying but WMF need to get more oversight and base-level education in place via mentorships/projects etc before they continue their push. It is certainly not entirely the "fault" of the contributors. And, no, I do not expect you to offer a comment on that opinion.
It really, really pained me to take List of Ror to an article with no content at all. But what the heck am I supposed to do? I am convinced that some of the entries there were correct but WP insists on certain standards, and rightly so. It is like trying to square a circle. Send me a decent recipe for the carnitas MI-inducing stuff.
Rant over. I shall see if there is a bottle of beer in my fridge. I might drink it. I might knock myself over the head with it. - Sitush (talk) 01:30, 13 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
BTW, did you see this? The sock is back, albeit there was only a sniff. Ahem. - Sitush (talk) 01:48, 13 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Sitush, sometimes I wish I could block on sight (or on second sight) and get away with it. I don't know about the India project--with or without the WMF you're dealing with some heavily involved editors who care about their caste but couldn't give a fuck about RS, V, N, etc. And Christ, there's some poor writing going on there. I gave your IP a level-4 warning, but there is really nothing we can do. I mean, I can protect the talk page, but that's silly, and I'm not sure the frequency allows for that (I'll see).

Hey Sitush, we drank a bottle of St. Bernardus Abt tonight, and then a bottle of Brother Thelonious Monk. I hope you found something nice in the fridge as well. Take care, Drmies (talk) 04:37, 13 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Danny Lee Wynter

Howdie Drmies :) Your duplication here has confused me, and I'm not sure what to remove or revert. Prehaps you can take another look. Thanks.  -- WikHead (talk) 17:47, 12 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oh, I thought something went wrong there with an edit conflict. Did you fix it yet? I'll have a look. Drmies (talk) 21:23, 12 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • No, I didn't fix it yet. There seems to be two slightly different versions in one, and I'm not sure which is the keeper. I'll go back to address that now, and hope I don't remove any good edits in the process.  -- WikHead (talk) 21:31, 12 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'd call this a issue; occasionally one of my fingers slips and touches another button with drastic consequences. Thanks for pointing it out--but next time, don't give me so much credit and just cut or undo, haha. I hereby grant you the right to call me a moron in three edit summaries, but this privilege expires the next solstice. Drmies (talk) 21:29, 12 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • Ahhh, you got back to it before I did. Appears to be in good order now :). Have yourself a great day Drmies. Happy editing! PS... I'd never call you a moron. Your work here is usually always right on the money. :)  -- WikHead (talk) 21:37, 12 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Kamala Lopez/Jeanmarie Simpson articles/relationship

We could use your unbiased eye over here - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kamala_Lopez Webberkenny (talk) 20:30, 13 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • I've looked at the article and some of the talk pages around it. I have no opinion, really, except that I think that the material about the biggest disappointment etc. probably has no place in this article. Moreover, I'm the second person you're approaching, and Mr. Stradivarius suggested you try your case at DRN, which it appears you haven't done yet. Sorry, but I am not going to get involved as some kind of arbitrator, though I am going to make a couple of edits to the article. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 21:15, 13 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Well, I have made some edits, but I think I have left the bone of contention alone. There was far too much resume padding in here. I don't know which one of the two of you may or may not represent which party in some dispute, and frankly I don't care. The edits I just made were done on the basis of such guidelines as WP:RS and NOTRESUME. When this gets to DRV, you may find that the real issues that are bothering the two of you have very little to do with article content. Good luck, Drmies (talk) 21:28, 13 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the review of the article and the changes that you've made. I am far more experienced with persuasive writing as I am an MBA not a news reporter. I believe you would find webberk's frantic tone and accusations that I am Lopez to be enlightening...
"Simpson is and has been an artist on the national and international levels working in the peace movement, very notably since 9/11. You are trying to elevate Lopez (probably yourself) to Simpson's level, and the level of thousands (if not millions) of legitimate, hard working activist. Ask Cindy Sheehan or S. Brian Willson or Mimi Kennedy or Frank Dorrel or any of a host of other relevant peace activists today, and they will know and applaud Simpson's work and refute any claims you (Lopez) have of meaningful activism. Lopez (you) have a long and sordid history of alienating people including Ben Affleck, a well-respected political activist who has revealed Lopez's (your) narcissistic, phony tendencies. Webberkenny (talk) 05:16, 14 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
StradTalk"
My issue is simple - webberkenney has revealed his/her frame of mind which is that Lopez and Simpson should be compared and that one be chosen as MORE important than the other. My frame of mind - I don't give a CRAP about Simpson and the webberkenney avatar. However, the issue of inserting irrelevant information for the sole purpose of making one person less than another seems...stupid.
As for addressing "the bone of contention" the only contention I currently have is the importance she has places on inserting the criticism of the movie when Mr. Strad already addressed this issue by stating:
"...it is ok to have some criticism of the film in her biography, but only from mainstream film critics, and there should not be too much weight on the criticism compared to the other coverage of the film. Criticism from Simpson should probably be limited to the article on the film itself..."
That content has already been placed on several pages as recommended by Mr. Strad. I hope this can be finally resolved and we can get on to addressing other issues. I have interest in Lopez's activism but I'm not a "FAN" as weeberkenney describes herself with regards to Simpson. I just want to improve the Lopez site and, if I believe there is additional information to add to the site, I will seek out advice before posting it if that will mitigate further dispute. I believe webberkenney should do the same. Is there a process for doing this or will the conflict continue?

JHScribe (talk) 05:04, 14 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed

JHScribe (talk) 13:49, 14 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Nope - no dispute resolution necessary. I believe the proof is in the pudding. The articles and their clearly sourced references are what is important. I will continue to ensure that Simpson's work is duly honored and that Lopez and her hysterical attempts to hide the truth are fruitless.Webberkenny (talk) 05:21, 14 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Format problem

The sentence beginning "By the late nineteenth century" at Caste_system_in_Kerala#Origin_of_the_caste_system is intended to be the first sentence of a new paragraph. Any idea why it is not splitting from the prior paragraph? It seems to be correct in the edit window but not in the article view. Very odd. - Sitush (talk) 02:39, 14 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Butting in: It had something to do with the quote template being inside the paragraph, instead of being seperated from it. I've fixed it. Beyond My Ken (talk) 02:51, 14 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Interesting. Thanks for helping out, BMK, while I was out protecting pages. Drmies (talk) 02:53, 14 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Wow, and thanks. I use that template a lot, and in the exact manner used on that article. I have never come across that behaviour before. I might just go in there & see if the colon immediately prior to it was a part of the issue. - Sitush (talk) 02:56, 14 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Sitush, I'm blown away by what you've done for that article. Amazing. Drmies (talk) 02:58, 14 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. t has got a long way to go yet. And, yes, it was the colon that caused the problem. That's a bug, surely? - Sitush (talk) 02:59, 14 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The peculiar behaviour is not new - see Template_talk:Quote#Paragraphs. - Sitush (talk) 03:18, 14 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
What is that, the ANI for geeks? Please tell Mandarax I said hi. Drmies (talk) 03:21, 14 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

A beer for you!

Since you asked for one at WP:AN. Enjoy! Jasper Deng (talk) 03:04, 14 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Go the F to Sleep

I disagreed with your edit. I reverted you and added a little. Just so ya know... LadyofShalott 04:05, 14 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Well now, isn't that interesting. The words you added actually help. But a. this is some awful poetry; b. please don't make me put a linkrot tag on that article; and c. what about secondary sourcing? Drmies (talk) 04:10, 14 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • a. No argument there! b. Point taken - I'll deal with that in a moment. c. Hmm... yeah... I don't if there is any. I doubt it. I kind of worried that what I added might be a bit too OR-ish. (Ewww, did I just say that?) LadyofShalott 04:20, 14 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I never heard of this book until this very morning when I heard it reviewed here on KGO (AM), Northern California's most popular radio station, where they delicately called it "Go the Bleep to Sleep".
On another matter of great importance, Drmies, that bacon butty you sent me the other day cannot accurately be called a "bribe". It would have had to have been offered in advance. Instead, I think we ought to call it a "service award". Thanks, anyway. Also, I look forward to seeing your photography in the world's great publications, after your career change. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 05:23, 14 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Staying The F Awake

I can't sleep, again. Can you get hold of this from JSTOR, please? It might be at archive.org but their search system is dreadful. It's for Herbert Hope Risley, another of my ongoing revamps. An "interesting" guy, for whom I have a juicy quotation awaiting: "his career ... marked the apotheosis of pseudo-scientific racism". Anthropometry & all that sort of bull. - Sitush (talk) 04:51, 14 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

RPP getting backlogged again

I'll give you another beer (if you know you won't get drunk) if you help take down this follow-up backlog at RPP :) .Jasper Deng (talk) 05:27, 14 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]


Please remove such misleading information

Drmies, I thank you for sending me a kind message and pointing out my ungrammatical sentence, but I really hope you would remove such Offensive and misleading information on this wiki page ---> Negrito, what's written in the bottom part is 100% MISLEADING and OFFENSIVE.. and contradicting against what the other wiki page have stated. Unlest you prove to me that I'm wrong than I'm going to have to believe you're an Afro-centrist who deliberately edited this false information to mislead everyone. I'M NOT THREATENING YOU, I have no power to but I'm so annoyed by this edit I have long wanted to report to the admins. Someone showed me this edit, and I was shocked to found how false it was. I'm completely offended by this false edit.

On the Negrito wiki page it is stated " Haplogroup D (Y-DNA) are found frequently among some peoples living in the same area. In China, stone coffins were used by these peoples " Nowhere on the chinese article (the reference for it) did it mention about dna.

IT COMPLETELY contradicts to what this wikipedia says http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andamanese " Within this lineage, the Andamanese (Onges and Jarawas) belong almost exclusively to the subtype designated Haplotype D, which is also common in Tibet and Japan, but rare on the Indian mainland.[13] However, this is a subclade of the D haplogroup which has not been seen outside of the Andamans, marking the insularity of these tribes.[14]"

Drmies, Do you know what's haplogroup? Y-dna is the paternal lineage and Mtdna for maternal lineage. China has Y-dna D1-M15 and D3a y-dna which is related with Tibetan and Tibeto-Burmese this is genetically proven. BUT ON THIS Negrito wiki it states that the dna is related with negrito which is garbage and completely misleading. And Since adamanese negrito are the only negrito with their own type dna D* which is isolated only on the Adaman island, how the hell is China D dna related with them?. PLEASE... I really urge you to change it. Also about the accusation that I removed the word "fan" . I believe someone edited that for me, Why would I remove the word "fan" for? makes no sense. BTW, I just checked on this wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainie_Yang, I added she was of "Cantonese origin" but it was removed. I have evidence to back it up, here is her interview she clearly said she was of Cantonese origin. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIfhxJzTOYs

ONE MORE THING: How could you allow to cite these sources ( reference 17 and 18 ) when none of you understand Chinese? one of them says nothing about negrito, in fact the page is not even availabe, and other is just an random chinese forum with chinese people discussing about ghost and negrito. These 2 reference is complete nonsense. http://www.11xs.com/html/9344/1541085.htm www.sr0768.com/bbs/simple/index.php?t16103.html To cite these two as sources? such freaking comedy, since when did forums became reliable sources. WarriorsPride6565 (talk) 5:03, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

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