Talk:Jewish deportees from Norway during World War II

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List

Wikipedia is not for memorials. Please place the list of individals elsewhere, wiki-site for example. In any case at 100k bytes, the article with the list was about 4 times longer than an article should be. -- RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 06:43, 15 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I am reverting this blanking and am struggling to maintain good faith about it. Please read the guideline - it refers to memorials over "friends and relatives." This is a matter of historical record. I'm open to discussing further, but objections have to be on more solid footing than what you're proposing. Size is irrelevant - there are plenty of articles longer than 25K. --Leifern (talk) 14:30, 15 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for posting this list! It's the only version I've seen other than in the book by Ottosen. However, I have a few comments and questions.

Near the beginning you say MR I: 19, MR II 27, Donau: 534, Gotenland: 157, Various: 30. However, this adds up to 767, and not 768.
The book by Ottosen says MR I: 19, MR II: 26, D: 532, G: 158, Var: 31, which adds up to 766, but his list shows 20 on MR I, which gives the often-cited figure of 767.
I think your figure of 768 is wrong. I assume that Ester Gorvitz and Esther Gorwitz with same birthdays etc are the same.
With this change, your list is D: 535, G: 157, MR I 19, MR II: 27, Var: 29. I realize that there are two people who went on an earlier Donau trip, which Ottosen lists under Various, and you list under Donau. But you seem to have moved one person (I'm not sure who) from G to D, and one person (Selig Blomberg) from MR I to MR II. Is this intentional, or a typo? As I indicated above, there seems to be some confusion in Ottosen's book about the MR figures.

HelmerAslaksen (talk) 03:39, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think the list is interesting. However it is a list of people who were forcibly dragged off into death. We do not have consensus to maintain a list over every U.S. soldier who was drafted to fight in Vietnam, and died there — or lists of non-voluntary soldiers of other wars who were dragged to their death.

I am going to remove the list. Those who wants the list on their user page — I can help with that.

There are other ways to save the list, but I can not see how all the names are notable in this article.--85.166.141.237 (talk) 18:53, 27 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

References/citations

Below I have quoted text that has been formatted as references, which I have removed because they seem to be discussions (or something else) rather than citations/references.

(If two sources have different numbers (or recounts) on issues, than we have ways of citing each notable source.)

"Some discrepancies about the numbers remain. For example, German documents related to the transit of prisoners on the Donau indicate that 530 were deported from Oslo, whereas the list compiled by Ottosen (1992) indicates that 534 were on board, but this includes Helene Johansen and Mirjam Kristiansen, who were deported on the Donau, but on another date. Kai Feinberg, who was a prisoner on the Donau, was ordered to compile a list of prisoners at the time, and his recollection was that there were 532 on board. Mendelsohn allows that some individuals may have been counted twice, others may have been omitted. The list provided here is based on Ottosen's list, with annotations where these are available. It has been checked for possible duplicates based on name and date of birth. In most sources, the number of survivors is commonly cited as 26; Ottosen (1992) lists 26 individuals as survivors, but omits Harry Meyer, who was captured in the context of the Kvarstad incident, and Robert Savosnick, probably due to an error on his part; as Savosnick is listed as a survivor in the master of list of deportees. This list includes all those who the Nazi authorities considered Jewish. A few of these did not consider themselves Jewish. None of the available literature seeks to ascertain which of the victims were or were not Jewish according to halacha."--85.166.141.237 (talk) 18:04, 27 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]