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What about ground troops? did the Japanese pack any marines and how many US (and allies???) were on Oahu and the other Hawaiian islands? 50,000 American troops - on internet.213.106.120.244 (talk) 12:07, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

The Japanese Navy did not have marines per se. Their closest equivalent were the Special Naval Landing Forces which were sailors trained as infantry. I don't think any were with Nagumo's task force; they were all needed in China, the Mandates, or with the Southern Operation (the Japanese opening offensive in southeast Asia). The U.S. garrison on Oahu was built around 24th and 25th Divisions with a few elements of Marine defense battalions in transit. The two Army divisions were unusually well-trained and well-equipped for the U.S. army of the day; that is, badly trained and poorly equipped, but not as bad as the National Guard divisions being fleshed out with draftees back on the mainland.--Yaush (talk) 14:02, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

thanks for that. here is a source and something that might be worth putting in. Staff ride handbook for the attack on Pearl Harbor, 7 December 1941: a study of defending America Jeffrey J. Gudmens 1 Review DIANE Publishing, 2005 "in december 1941 the US Army had 42,857 men assigned to the Hawaiian Department, commanded by LTG Walter C. Short." 213.106.120.244 (talk) 14:54, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

Found photographer for the historic picture at the top of this article.

While researching a documentary on Pearl harbour for the National Geographic Channel I found the photographer who took this picture.

Takeo Shiro was the observer on a Type 97 (B5N 'Kate') Torpedo bomber in the first wave of the attack. As I write, he is 92 years old and living in southern Japan.

His own copy, and the camera he took it with, were destroyed when the aircraft carrier he served on - Hiryu - was later sunk at the battle of Midway. Thus, the captured copies stored in various archives were the only surviving record of this image.

He makes no claims about copyright or ownership.

I've never contributed to wikipedia before, so not sure how to edit image info etc. but I felt this information was an interesting addition to an image I've seen for decades. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.82.19.226 (talk) 15:46, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 70.112.125.123, 23 May 2011

The page says PH lead to the US entry in the the Pacific and European theaters... Not entirely correct. The US declared war on Japan the next day, but not on any of the other axis countries. Germany actually declared war on the US, and that is how the US entered the European theater officially.

70.112.125.123 (talk) 13:58, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Without the attack, Germany & Italy wouldn't have declared on the U.S., so it did lead to the U.S. entry, actually... TREKphiler ^{any time you're ready, Uhura} 02:26, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

•  Not done: Per comment by TREKphiler. Alpha Quadrant ^talk 22:38, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 24.99.166.229, 12 June 2011

Please edit the section marked "controversy". It lacks proper citation from a reliable source. The source it cites appears to be bogus and at other times the citation just isn't even there.

24.99.166.229 (talk) 15:53, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

The section has a couple of cites that should establish that there is a controversy, and a link to the main Wikipedia article discussing that controversy. Is the problem that the cited sources don't discuss the controversy? I don't have copies of either work readily accessible.Yaush (talk) 17:57, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

Should Mitsuo Fuchida be included in the Japanese leaders section of the infobox, he led the air attack on Peal Harbor

I am curious if the above question is valid for a discussion on it. What are other's views?--R-41 (talk) 21:52, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

He's too junior. By that reasoning, Layton & Rochefort should be on the list, to name just 2 who immediately come to mind. So should every air wing commander in the Kido Butai & squadron commander in Hawaii. The listing is for the top guys. TREKphiler ^{any time you're ready, Uhura} 02:33, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Should WP:TRIVIA section be removed?

Last December, we discussed the fact that 2011 will be the 70th aniversary of this event and bringing the article to Featured Article status.[1] So, I deleted the trivia section in accordance to WP:TRIVIA.[2] Unfortunately, the trivia section keeps getting restored. Should the trivia section stay or be removed? A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 13:45, 7 July 2011 (UTC)