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Details of execution

I admit the details of the execution are rather grisly, even though they are brief. However, the gory details of the Rosenbergs' execution is one of the major elements of their story -- two possibly innocent civilians being executed by one of the most heinous and inhuman methods available. Please decide whether the execution details should be included in the article. -- Modemac

Suggestion for further research: I recall reading something about the opening of Soviet archives, and there being some information regarding the Rosenbergs' execution/crimes. I've also read that Julius took 3 tries & Ethel 5 - but I don't have a good source on that. And did you mention that they left behind 2 young sons? ~ender 2003-04-02 23:45 MST

Two possibly innocent civilians? How much more evidence has to be provided concerning their guilt before idiots stop claiming that the Rosenbergs weren't clearly guilty? And the fact they left behind two young sons is completely irrelevant. Many executed criminals leave behind innocent family members; they should have thought of that before they passed secrets to the Soviets. The seeming implication that this somehow makes the Rosenberg's execution that much more unjust is farcical. Passing secrets to the Soviets endangered everyone living in the United States(I will not bother to mention the other countries, as the case was tried in American courts). Capital punishment has long been a potential penalty for espionage in this country, and it still is. It was heartily deserved in this case.

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Executed secret agents

As far as I can see, this belongs to the "Executed secret agents" category. I added it, but perhaps a "secret agent" has a narrower definition. If it is wrong, feel free to fix it. (And if it is right, delete this comment). --Taejo 7 July 2005 18:57 (UTC)

Age at death / limitations of sidebar

The right-hand information block suggested that, having died the same day, they died at the same age in spite of having different birth years. Reviewing the code, it appears this was an auto-calculated field which does not allow the flexibility of reporting two death ages at a unique time for non-unique birthdates. To clarify for other readers, I changed the code from

| date_of_death  = June 19, 1953(1953-06-19) (aged 35) (both)

to

| date_of_death  = June 19, 1953(1953-06-19) (aged 35) (Julius), and aged 37 (Ethel)

which I believe removes the ambiguity. There is still some minor formatting inconsistency as the sidebar places the initial age in parenthesis, but this was the best I could do with the automated process. At least now they are not reported dead at the same age.

Moved from article

I cant find this in the New York Times archive:

In a subsequent letter to The New York Times, Sobell stated that he knew nothing about Julius Rosenberg's alleged involvement in atomic espionage and that Rosenberg never told him (Sobell) about any of his other espionage activities. Thus, the "secret of the Atom Bomb" aspect of the Rosenberg case remains a matter of sharp debate.^{[citation needed]}

The last

Were the Rosenbergs the last persons executed in the USA for espionage? Olegwiki (talk) 14:45, 4 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Or the only?--Jack Upland (talk) 09:16, 8 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, what a surprise

How very shocking. The only quote on the supposed controversy surrounding the Rosenberg's execution contained in the opening is one clearly implying their execution was unjust, with an explicit claim that the execution occurred because of "hysteria". This is yet another prime example of why Wikipedia quite simply cannot be taken seriously on any subject that is even remotely political. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.141.155.6 (talk) 08:28, 11 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]