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Statement of the dispute

Shakehandsman appears to be ignoring WP:NPOV and WP:BLP. It is possible that this is motivated by a particular political agenda.

Desired outcome

The desired outcome of this RFC is a clear agreement from Shakehandsman that they will follow the core policies of WP:BLP and WP:NPOV. (I suspect that a topic ban on any articles pertaining to feminism or women's issues is in order, but I'm not willing to put in the work to make that happen.)

Description

I removed a section detailing minor driving offences from the biography of Yasmin Qureshi, who is British MP. Note that Qureshi is a Muslim female of Pakistani origin. I noticed that the editor who had restored that information to the article, Shakehandsman, had been working extensively on Murder of Ross Parker‎, an article about the racist murder of a white youth by a group of Pakisanti Muslim youths. I started a thread on the BLP noticeboard, asking users to have a look at the two articles. Shakehandsman replied to note that driving offences were also in the articles of Ed Balls (Labour) and Chris Huhne (Liberal Democrat). Shakehandsman has been involved in editing both of those sections ([1] & [2]), although I have not checked if they are the originator.

Deciding to take a closer look at Shakehandsman's contributions, I discovered that along with creating Murder of Ross Parker‎, they had also created Murder of Lakhvinder Cheema an article on a British man murdered by his female, Anglo-Indian lover. Shakehandsman also created Rekha Kumari-Baker, an article on an British woman of Indian origin who murdered her children. Many of Shakehandsman's recent contributions appear to be related to murders committed by females. It is worth noting the statement of his user talk page:"Please bear in mind that I really don't appreciate sexism or those with a record of anti-gender equality contributions (particularly if working together in organised groups). Regrettably, due to the present biases on Wikipedia, anyone with a gender feminist outlook or background is respectfully asked not to post here please. For the avoidance of doubt anyone involved in gender studies is included in this request unless there is evidence of neutral editing or they reject current prevailing gender studies ideologies."

More troubling is the creation of "coatrack" articles used to spread negative information:

  • Laurence Westgaph is a black British historian with a particular interest in slavery. Shakehandsman created the article using sources relating to an assault conviction (for which Westgaph received a suspended sentence).
  • Driving without due care and attention is an article created by Shakehandsman using sources about charges laid against a female Labour politician.
  • Shakehandsman created Scottish Women's Aid, about a "feminist" domestic violence shelter (see also Eaves Housing for Women) then added negative information about a minor incident involving refusing a donation amounting to an estimated £1 000.
  • Peter Jepson and Roger Dyas-Elliott were involved in a lawsuit against the Labour party. Shakehandsman created redirects for each to All-women shortlists and proceeded to add categories (such as "living person") to the redirects. Note that these men were excluded from being Labour candidates due to the use of all-women shortlists intended to increase the proportion of female candidates.

Although each of the issues could be dealt with separately, there appears to be a pattern of negative edits in reference to specific groups. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 20:28, 4 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Evidence of disputed behavior

(Provide diffs. Links to entire articles aren't helpful unless the editor created the entire article. Edit histories also aren't helpful as they change as new edits are performed.)

  1. Laurence Westgaph - article created using references pertaining to subject's criminal charges
  2. Driving without due care and attention - article created using reference pertaining to charge against harriet Harman, UK politician
  3. Peter Jepson - article created as a redirect to All-women shortlists. Categories added after creating redirect - "Living people", "People from Oldham", "University College London", "Alumni of Ruskin College", "Liberal Party (UK) politicians", "Labour Party (UK) councillors", and "Councillors in Greater Manchester". (Jepson was involved in a lawsuit pertaining to the Labour Party's use of all-women shortlists in the mid-90s.)
  4. Roger Dyas-Elliott - same as Jepson above
  5. Scottish Women's Aid - began life innocuously enough, but Shakehandsman soon added negative information about the organisation rejecting funds raised by the sale of a semi-nude calendar.
  6. Addition of negative link ("The bearded Lib Dem Lothario, young Russian girls and his very long-suffering wife: MP at centre of spy game fits profile for 'honeytrap'") to source Labour MP's place of residence. (Note that the source is the Daily Mail which Shakehandsman has been warned about using as a source in BLPs).
  7. Adding redundant reference to Ken Livingstone in order to add negative article ("Ken Livingstone fathered two children in weeks")
  8. Added the category Category:British people convicted of theft to British Jamaican poet Benjamin Zephaniah (here) and mixed-race television presenter Ashley Blake (here), bringing the category's membership to a total of 11.
  9. Patricia Hewitt [3][4]: note the editorializing to push a push of view, even when sources are present.
  10. Kathryn Smith - created an article about this non-notable politician, focussing mainly on drink-driving convictions: the article was deleted at AFD with multiple editors citing BLP concerns [5].
  11. Harriet Harman and Patricia Hewitt- in September 2010 restores claims of pedophile links[6][7] determined to be clearly undue blp violations WP:BLPN [8] and his talkpage[9]. Despite this, adds the similar coatrack information in September 2011 to another article. [10]-
  12. Harriet Harman- restores the category cat:British criminal and cat:English criminal to this article [11]. The topic was once again the matter was discussed on BLPN [12] with arbitrator Newyorkbrad saying that it was in his view a "blatant BLP and UNDUE violation" [13]
  13. Warned [14][15][16][17] for these edits (on talkpages) about living people [18][19][20].

Applicable policies and guidelines

{List the policies and guidelines that apply to the disputed conduct}

  1. WP:BLP
  2. WP:NPOV

Evidence of trying and failing to resolve the dispute

Attempts by Delicious carbuncle

  1. WP:Biographies of living_persons/Noticeboard#Yasmin_Qureshi
  2. WP:Biographies of living_persons/Noticeboard#Laurence Westgaph
  3. Talk:Murder of Ross Parker#"Hunting party?"

Attempts by certifier Slp1

I'd agree that Shakehandsman's contributions have show significant problems with BLP and NPOV over a very long period. Unfortunately, real-life constraints means that I won't be able to detail the evidence fully in the short-term, but I will add some of my reasons for concern above, and will add other issues at a later date, by Saturday evening at the latest. I have personally attempted to resolve the dispute on [21][22]. So has Off2riorob, repeatedly, but we have now been banned from Shakehandsman's talkpage for our efforts. see User:Shakehandsman .--Slp1 (talk) 19:22, 5 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Other attempts


Users certifying the basis for this dispute

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  1. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 12:15, 6 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  2. --Slp1 (talk) 20:13, 5 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Other users who endorse this summary

  1. I also have some of the same worries and objections to User:Shakehandsman's contributions in regards to BLP issues , especially in regards to female all women shortlist candidates and female labour party politicians in general and a focus on his adding what can be described as negative attacking content inflated beyond its actual NPOV importance. - Personally, although I have issues with his contributions I am not sure if the case above is well enough laid out or comprehensive enough as presented so far. As recent cases have shown us, a user that has a strong POV about an issue or a group of people that skirts the edges of policy can continue inserting the weight of his POV into articles for a long time before the community deals with them. it.Youreallycan (talk) 20:03, 5 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Outside view by Keristrasza

Slp1 certifies this RfC on the basis of diffs relating to January 2011. The policy is quite clear: "This must involve the same dispute with a single user, not different disputes or multiple users." On these grounds, the RfC has failed to receive the required cerification that two users have attempted to resolve this dispute (which is basically DC alleging that Shakehandsman is creating "a series of articles about bad things done by brown people.") There are also many other disputes tagged on to this RfC, all of which would appear to have been resolved and so have no place here.

DC's complaint is also a shopping list of differences of opinion, which some might consider a case of "throwing enough mud." Take Harriet Harman, for example: DC draws attention to Newyorkbrad saying "blatant BLP and UNDUE violation" ... but when I just checked the page, I see Harman is in the category of 'British politicians convicted of crimes' - a sub-category of 'British criminals'! So all the hoo-ha at the time was merely a question of semantics which would appear now to be resolved.

This RfC should not have been raised. The guidelines clearly state: "Disputes over article content, including disputes over how best to follow the neutral point of view policy, follow a different process." Further, I am not entirely convinced that this RfC is not the result of a longstanding grudge between ALL parties "brought solely to harass or subdue an adversary." This lingering uncertainty is based on DC's simultaneous - completely unwarranted - AfD nomination at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Murder of Lakhvinder Cheema which seems to have been made purely because Shakehandsman had created it (over a year ago).

This RfC should be closed as a formality due to failure to adhere to the guidelines. RfC is not the venue for content/NPOV disputes. Keristrasza (talk) 18:14, 6 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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