Talk:Munich

Exaggeration?

Did Munich really grow at an alarming rate? Who was alarmed? - Leidolf

The Name

Munich is not the proper name of this city. Lir 00:09 Oct 23, 2002 (UTC)

Yes it is, in English. "München" is the proper name of the city in German. --Brion 00:35 Oct 23, 2002 (UTC)

Brion-that is the name of the city. Munich is not the name of the city in English. It is not an English city.

Well, Lir, I suggest you move the Beijing article were it belongs. With the proper chinese Unicode characters, please. And, of course, replace each appearance of "Beijing" in the text by the same chinese characters. Otherwise people might believe "Beijing" is the proper name of the city in english -- no, 北京 is the proper way to name the city in any english text. FvdP

And make sure you pronounce it with the correct tones, or else you're spitting your toxic Anglo-americentric neocolonialism in the collective face of a billion 中国人. --Brion 00:47 Oct 23, 2002 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice-I will be sure to update the Chinese article as well. I am glad we are all in agreement. Lir 00:52 Oct 23, 2002 (UTC)

As long as we're in agreement about which of us are kidding. ;) --Brion 00:53 Oct 23, 2002 (UTC)

Somehow I don't think she's kidding.David de Paoli

Can I just say that Wikipedia invites that sort of complaint. München ought to be listed under Munich, Köln (is the accent right?) under Cologne and Roma under Rome. But Beijing or 北京 ought be called Peking (regardless of what the Chinese government wants), and Madras, Bombay and Calcutta used for those cities. Why the inconsistency? Avalon 06:48, 23 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

"Peking" is no more valid a name for Beijing than "Beijing" is - they're both transliterations. "Peking" is four hundred years out of date, however, and no one says that any more unless they're talking about the duck. The rule is to use English, and "Beijing" is the accepted name for those cities in English. As for Madras, Bombay, Calcutta, and so on (it's not confined to India, either - Kiev and Turin come to mind), well, that's a perennially open question, and one that's definitely open for debate on the appropriate talk pages. However, the big difference there is that Germany has never asked the world community to start calling Munich "München", while India has specifically said "please call Madras 'Chennai' from now on." The Germans, as far as I know, are quite happy with it being called Munich. Indeed, I'm sure that Germans would be appalled to hear the million horrible pronunciations of "München" Anglophones would promptly inflict on the world if they were foolish enough to rename the city. ("Have you ever been to ['mʌnʧən]?" "Oh, yeah, ['munhɛn], beautiful city.") 69.140.12.199 08:38, 15 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Didn't the Wittelsbach family take over control of the city from the bishops of Freising, as opposed to the "Freising family?" --User:JohnWebber

Yes, this doesn't seem right. I have corrected it, and clarified a few things according to http://www.muenchen.de/referat/direktorium/stadtarchiv/stadtgeschichte/mittelalter.htm . I also cut out the "alarm".

Munich was not Hitler's Hometown. He was Austrian. Chris G.

Wikipdia naming convention

If a Polish city of Gdansk has a German name bolded: Danzig; so Munich can also have a Polish name bolded: Monachium.

Any coment on compromise:

Mestwin of Gdansk 00:51, 20 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Retaliation action for blocking Gdansk and Szczecin

Please don't call it vandalism because this wouldn't be very polite. This is a retaliation action is response to blocking editing in Gdansk and Szczecin. The goal of this action is just to enter in edit war, block editing, and make the Germans angry. I am very sorry for any inconveniences. Don't blame me. Blame User:Nico. I will stop these actions as soon as Gdansk and/or Szczecin are released. - Mestwin of Gdansk 02:08, 20 Mar 2004 (UTC)

corrections

"The Olympiaturm recalls the Munich massacre, which occurred at the 1972 Summer Olympics held in Munich..."

This cannot be correct: The Olympiaturm was built for the Olympics, so it was completed before the massacre.

"The 1974 Soccer World Cup was also held in the city."

The World Cup took place in various German cities and only some matches (including, I think, the finale) were in Munich.

Fallwein 14:10, 6 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

corrections

"The Frauenkirche's towers (109 meters or 358 feet tall) are also the measurement for a new rule which limits the height of new buildings to the same height"

109 meters is the length of the church; the towers are 99 meters resp. 100 meters tall. See also http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frauenkirche_%28M%C3%BCnchen%29

"The Olympiaturm (Olympic Tower) (...) was built for the 1972 Summer Olympics which were held in Munich."

This is not correct. The tower was planned and built for broadcasting and telecommunication purposes ("Fernsehturm"); construction started in 1965, one year before anyone thought of Olympic Games in Munich. After Munich was declared the site of the 1972 Olympic Summer Games, the growing tower became part of the "Olympiagelände" (Olympic Park) and was renamed "Olympiaturm". The tower was finished in 1968.

Source: "München. Heimat und Weltstadt." Munich, 1982, page 153 f.

"Despite its name, Oktoberfest actually begins in September. It lasts two weeks and always finishes on the first Sunday in October."

Nitpicking: except in years when the "Tag der Deutschen Einheit" (German National Holyday) Oct 3rd is a monday (like this year) - then the Oktoberfest lasts one day longer.

Franz X. Fackler, Munich, Germany 28 August 2005

History of the name

I'm not sure that I might miss something from the main page. But I could not find what's the reason that "München" became "Munich" not "Munchen"--manop 09:42, 9 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Most likely adopted from French, like so many European geographic names. Not sure about the French etymology though. Pardon my French, but it could have some phonetic reasons ;-) Jbetak 11:32, 9 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you --manop 20:58, 9 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sports Clubs

Why is Unterhaching listed as one of Munich's sports clubs. It's simply not one of them. Do you also want to list clubs of other cities in the vicinity of Munich (such as Dachau, Fuerstenfeldbruck, Puchheim, Gauting, etc.)? I think it should be removed.

Modern Munich

I tried to correct the English in the description of "modern Munich" (skyscrapers expelled outside the inner city???) but I think this paragraph could be fleshed out a bit. I would like to see some mention somewhere of the modern building that was attached to the ruins of the war museum. When I was a student in Munich in the mid-Seventies I thought this was the most moving memorial I had ever seen, and I think what they've done to it since then (adding modern wings to it to make it some kind of government building) is an abomination. IP129.55.27.4 15:58, 7 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have expanded the paragraph a bit and have hopefully clarified what was meant with skyscrapers being expelled, but I agree that the section could still do with some more information. The new Staatskanzlei which you mention probably even deserves an article of its own since the building has a pretty interesting history and the building of the two additional wings was (mildly put) controversial; I'll see what I can do over the next couple of days, but I won't mind if someone else jumps in :) -- Ferkelparade π 16:31, 7 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for you additions. I'm not sure that Munich has any "skyscrapers" however (none come to mind when I think of Munich). According to what I am reading on wikipedia, the Frauenkirche is the tallest building in Munich, and it's not tall enough to be considered a "skyscraper". IP129.55.27.4 21:10, 7 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The tallest buildings are the de:Highlight Towers. They are 126 m tall, according to skyscraper this does not make them skyscrapers. In fact the Olympiaturm is with 291 m the tallest building, but it doesn't qualify as a skyscraper either. Markus Schmaus 22:11, 7 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]