User talk:Sean.hoyland

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Discretionary sanctions notification

As a result of an arbitration case, the Arbitration Committee has acknowledged long-term and persistent problems in the editing of articles related to the Palestinian-Israeli conflict, broadly understood. As a result, the Committee has enacted broad editing restrictions, described here and below.

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Generally, the next step, if an administrator feels your conduct on pages in this topic area is disruptive, would be a warning, to be followed by the imposition of sanctions (although in cases of serious disruption, the warning may be omitted). Hopefully no such action will be necessary.

This notice is only effective if given by an uninvolved administrator and logged here. —This is in light of some of your comments on the AE request concerning Shuki. My impression of you has always been one of a sensible, level-headed editor until now. I sincerely hope you won't prove me wrong, but if you treat AE as a battleground n that way again, you will be sanctioned. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 23:11, 7 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Well, perhaps you have an idea for how much [censored] editing/POV pushing/crap-source inserting a level-headed editor can absorb. -asad (talk) 01:03, 8 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the notification although I think a better approach would be working on the basis that an edit to a talk page with the WARNING: ACTIVE ARBITRATION REMEDIES header should be treated as sufficient notification. For the record though, I don't have a interpersonal dispute with Shuki. I have a dispute with a specific kind of edit they make, a type of edit that constitutes a small subset of the 11k+ edits they have made. As for impressions, one thing I've learnt from editing in the topic area is that if there is a relationship between what editors say and do and people's impressions of what they say and do, it's a relationship I don't understand and have little control over. So, I'll simply not comment at AE reports anymore unless I file them or they are filed against me. That should address your concerns. Sean.hoyland - talk 05:30, 8 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I've no intention of banning you from AE, so whether or not you comment on future requests is entirely up to you, but had you expressed your concerns with Shuki's editing in a more constructive manner instead of arguing about it, there would have been no need for this conversation. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 21:37, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Noted. Yes, I could have handled it better. Sean.hoyland - talk 18:22, 10 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Can you address my concerns in Talk:Israeli settler violence?
Best Wishes

AnkhMorpork (talk) 18:23, 12 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You don't usually need to leave messages like this because people have articles watchlisted. You can save yourself some typing. Sean.hoyland - talk 18:25, 12 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The JDL is not one of the most notorious perpetrators of settler violence. They are a wholly distinct body who's targets occasionally converge with that of the Settler group. The group was founded by Rabbi Meir Kahane in New York City in 1968 and bears no connection with the settler body that consists of Jewish civilians living in community built on land that was captured by Israel. Overlapping common causes does not constitute synonymity. Why is my distinction not worth considering? They are manifestly separate organisations.
Best Wishes AnkhMorpork (talk) 19:02, 12 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Please keep discussion centralized on the article's talk page and try to exclude to any personal opinions. It's better to just stick to discussing what reliable sources have to say on the issue or else the discussion will get off track. Our models of things like the "settler body" and how it intersects with JDL isn't relevant. Sean.hoyland - talk 19:15, 12 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Your thoughts wanted. Cheers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AnkhMorpork (talk • contribs) 18:59, 14 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]