Talk:Delta Flyer

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I'm trying to fix the syntax (specifically the unbalanced comment tags) for the Wiki Syntax project. But I have to say these have me stumped. Please let me know what's with the whacky comment tags.

Zachara 08:25, 4 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps it's because I'm a web programmer and I'm used to reading such things, but the comments seem balanced to me. Kaz 20:54, 6 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I am not sure how to use this system and I don't want to go just editing away and do something wrong. But i feel i must point out that ont he front page it says the last apperance of the Delta Flyer was in Unimatrix Zero. I just watched Drive Season 7 episode 3 and the Delta Flyer is in it. If i see it in any later episodes i'll bring it up. Sorry if i am out of line bringing this up. ~percent20

The Delta flyer was rebuilt after it's destruction in Unimatrix Zero.

The initial text in the wiki article about the Flyer mentions that Seven of Nine made the suggestion to Tom (in an earlier episode). I tried to edit the text to specifically mention which episode ("Drone") and some other person removed the edit.

Why?

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The article doesn't make an assertion of independent notability. I've directed to an article where the subject receives a modicum of real-world treatment. --EEMIV (talk) 20:45, 16 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Someone opted to undo the redirect without commenting here or at the wikiproject talk page. Please promptly articulate a rationale for restoring this content. Otherwise, I will restore the redirect Sundayish. --EEMIV (talk) 18:49, 24 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I have restored the redirect. There is no independent notability of this craft. I could not find significant coverage in any independent reliable sources. GB fan 19:26, 24 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This article seems to be no more or less notable than any other articles about warp drive vessels in the Star Trek universe. Do you propose redirecting all such articles?? --Chaswmsday (talk) 18:24, 25 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I can't speak for EEMIV, but I look at each article individually and make a decision on what I think should happen with that article. The different vessels within the Star Trek universe have different amounts of coverage by independent reliable sources so you can't base what I would recommend on other article on the information available for this article. This one does not have much coverage. Currently the article has 3 sources. the first source is not an independent source and does not establish independent notability. The second source might help, but I do not have access to the source and from the description in the reference itself is questionable. It appears that this is just supplemental information but I do not know for sure. The third source does not even mention the delta flyer, that appears to be a source that would be better suited for inclusion in the main Voyager article rather than this one. GB fan 19:26, 25 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This topic is appropriately covered at the redirect target. The article itself does not assert this specific subject's independent notability. The lack of sources and overwhelmingly in-universe treatment -- long-standing issues with this article -- suggest that this article does not meet Wikipedia's criteria for a stand-alone article. Chaswmsday, as the restoring editor, you have a burden of proof to assert/demonstrate this subject's notability.

As for other ship articles, there are quite a few discussions at the Wikiproject talk page (and archives) about the treatment of Star Trek ships. The general consensus is that most articles are laden with in-universe trivia and fail to assert independent notability. There are many a-redirect for these subjects. Please feel free to engage with/ask for a third opinion at the Wikiproject talk page. --EEMIV (talk) 00:31, 26 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Well, this is Star Trek, a fictional universe, so most of the references will be official or fan-created websites. This particular ship was the setting for a number of episodes, and having a separate vessel often served as a plot device, e.g. crew members lacking the protection of the main starship, or the Delta Flyer saving the day when the starship is in trouble.

I'm curious as to why notability wasn't an issue throughout your prior edits dating back to 2006, @EEMIV. Perhaps this article could be merged into Spacecraft in Star Trek or Star Trek: Voyager, or elsewhere. I disagree that this particular topic was adequately covered at the redirect. Content removal guidelines generally call for text to be "saved" on the relevant talk page; by redirecting, this article's previous independent existence would have been significantly obscured for any future editors trying to restore and improve it.

I haven't contributed to the Star Trek project before, so I don't know how responsive its editors are, but I think it's more appropriate to make note of any concerns there and let that community respond. To that end, I will place comments there. --Chaswmsday (talk) 17:16, 28 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Well, fan-created web sites aren't an appropriate source of information, either for verifiability or establishing notability. As for my previous edits: one of my very first Wikipedia edits was the creation of cellular regeneration and entertainment chamber ... which I eventually realized failed WP:GNG and was more apt as a redirect. *shrug* I just came to better understand Wikipedia policy and better apply it. Anyhow, thanks for raising the question at the wikiproject talk page. If you can find some third-party material to better address notability, I'd be happy to work with you on it in userspace. --EEMIV (talk) 17:46, 28 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I rather doubt that very much of Star Trek "knowledge" exists independent of Paramount or Trekkie/Trekker-dom. As we know, it's all quite fervent and self-sustaining. Perhaps the aircraft carrier, space shuttle and the whole influence on pop culture and technology would be candidates for Wikipedia, with the rest of ST minutia relegated to Memory Alpha and other wikis. Then again, I've never understood the raison d'être of other wikis anyway.

Just what is the 75-cent description of "notability"? Like most policies and guidelines in WP, I usually end up running around in circles of vagueness trying to understand just what the authors had intended and why so much of it seems to be about "radio programmes" and other un-American things... ;>) ! --Chaswmsday (talk) 18:09, 28 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]