Talk:Filipino people

lead section

The Filipino People are people around the world who are mostly from the Philippines and the United States, and other regions of the world. A little bit shorter but not much lesser informations: The Filipino People are from the world. Please try a definition what Filipino people are. --Diwas (talk) 20:07, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

That seems to be a recent addition. Reworded.-- Obsidi♠n Soul 20:24, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Thank you very much, for good and fast work. Now it is a good lead section. --Diwas (talk) 11:28, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Explanation of reversion of edit by 58.109.34.113

I've reverted parts of this edit, which look to me to be the unsupported expression of the viewpoint of one anonymous editor.

• insertion of "In fact, most of the "Spanish" in the Philippines were from Mexico, not Spain." : This is unsupported, and may or may not be true. Without much checking, I recall that the Philippines was considered a province of Viceroyalty of New Spain and was governed from Mexico City. I don't know about the demographics of Spanish people in the Philippines during the Spanish colonial period. I've removed this unsupported assertion.
• "British conquest of the Spanish Philippines" -> [[British occupation of Manila|British attempted to conquer]] : As the wikilinked article says, this was "... Colonel William Draper's 'Scheme for taking Manila with some Troops, which are already in the East Indies' in the East. ... King George III signed the instructions to Draper to implement his Scheme, emphasizing that by taking advantage of the 'existing war with Spain' Britain might be able to assure her post-war mercantile expansion." It was a sideshow of the Seven Years War. I've changed this to [[British occupation of Manila|British forces occupied Manila]].

Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 01:58, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

Actually yes, I found out the British did occupy Manila for a while! I was flipping through my World Geography book (everything these days think its fake), I'm taking World Geography Class. We use a book called World Geography Today. I found a page that had a map of the British Empire in 1920. I could understand Malaysia, North Africa and India being in there, but the Philippines was also colored in as part of the empire. I did some further research and it turns out that yes, Manila was occupied by the British. Although there's really no traces of its existance, since Manila was still unders strong Spanish influence at the time. No Filipino seems to know either that the Philippines had some British control in Manila. Wierd. PacificWarrior101 (talk) 04:54, 31 March 2012 (UTC)PacificWarrior101

hmm..that's wierd.

So, it says that 94,000,000 Filipinos live in the Philippines. Yet, Visayans are 98,000,000 of Filipinos.????? PacificWarrior101 (talk) 17:40, 8 March 2012 (UTC)PacificWarrior101

After digging, I see that the Filipino people article asserted the population of the Philippines to be 94M, citing this source (which says that the 2010 estimate was 94.01M, and which is probably one of many sources asserting somewhat differing figures), and that the Visayans article asserts that there were 98 million Visayans as of 2010. That first article speaks of the number of persons resident in the Philippines. That second article speaks of the number of people belonging to the Visayan ethnic group. Some portions of those two universes overlap, and some do not. Checking this, I found that the cite supporting the figure of 98M in the Visayans article did not support the assertion, and I have placed a {{fv}} tag in the article. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 21:57, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Austronesian

Just a thought. Isn't it erroneous to say that "Americans" are white people that descended from the Anglo-Saxons. Although majority of Americans are, it is erroneous to say so since there are Americans that do not descend from the Anglo-Saxons or are even white. Safe to say, not all Filipinos are descended from Austronesians. You cannot classify Enrique Iglesias, Apple d App or Joseph Estrada or Henry Sy as Austronesian. You cannot classify Filipinos as a race but a nationality that descended from many races. I am proud to be Filipino but I cannot classify myelf as Austronesian. And let's be fair, the aboriginal Negritoes are Filipinos too! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.112.21.237 (talk) 04:17, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Well, Ausronesian people are simply a linguistic group. They speak Austronesian languages as a native language. There's many Filipinos with European descent they are all Austronesians. It's not an ethnicity. Filipinos, Malays and Hawaiians are all seperate ethnicities within the Austronesian linguistic group. You see "Austro-" means "sailor", and maritime Southeast Asia is all islands, thus Austronesian simply is another word for "sailing islands". The languages in the Austronesian family are the "sailing languages" just like the Italic-Romance language are the "love languages". Iglesias simply has Austronesian origin since his mother is Filipino. Austronesian is just a race. PacificWarrior101 (talk) 04:49, 31 March 2012 (UTC)PacificWarrior101

Actually Austronesian means "South Islander" from Greek (cf. Australia, from Terra Australis "southern land"; Polynesia, "many islands"; Micronesia, "tiny islands"). "Romance" in Romance language is also derived from the city (and empire) Rome. The connotations of love was because Latin-derived languages were used in the middle ages for stories about adventures of knights, which later extended to love stories. -- OBSIDIAN†SOUL 07:58, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Yes, Romance originates from the fact that the Spanish, Portuguese and Italian (etc) languages all descended from Latin, the Roman language. But these languages later became associated with love and drama, and literally. Which is why they are also called the "love language" or "sexy languages" and thus the "Romance" name fits them exactly right for two reasons. Roman-Latin descent and use for love and drama languages/movies. A lot of places that end with "-nesia" are Greek and Latin descneded. Indonesian literally can mean "indegenous islands" or "Indian islands". "Indo-" has been used LOTS of times. There's french Indochina. The Slavic languages are known as the "manly languages". PacificWarrior101 (talk) 04:21, 1 April 2012 (UTC)PacificWarrior101

But yes, Austronesian is more inclusive than Anglo-Saxon, as it's both an ethnic and linguistic classification. It's the predominant "base" ethnolinguistic group and enumerating different ethnicities and numerous admixtures would be far too complicated. You can not also restrict its definition to mere nationality or "race". The former would exclude Filipinos that have since been assimilated or migrated to other countries and adopted another nationality (e.g. the Filipino populations of Guam, Palau, Hawaii, etc.), and the latter is an arbitrary classification assigned externally (unlike ethnicity which is self-identified) and would exclude naturalized Filipinos that did not descend from native stock even if they refer to themselves as such. A more accurate comparison would be to Germanic peoples or Uralic peoples rather than Anglo-Saxon or American. -- OBSIDIAN†SOUL 07:58, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Filipino is more of a nationality in reality just like Indonesian is. Because the two countries we got lots of indegenous peoples. Javanese, Sundanese, Tagalogs, Tausugs, Illokanos, Bikols and all that. But it counts as an ethnicity I can see why it's an ethnicity which breaks into smaller indegenous ethnicities. I'd see it more as a "ethno-nationality" shall I put it. PacificWarrior101 (talk) 04:24, 1 April 2012 (UTC)PacificWarrior101

True.-- OBSIDIAN†SOUL 04:54, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Filipino article on Ethnipedia

Check it out.

ethnipedia.wikia.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by PacificWarrior101 (talk • contribs) 04:45, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Asking for permission to remove Charice and Bruno Mars?

A singer with a prostitute-image (Charice) does not make a good representation of Filipinos. Bruno Mars isn't even full-Filipino. I doubt he even speaks any Philippine language as a native language. Language is one of the key traits that defines an ethnicity otherwise it just becomes descent/ancestry. I understand that nobody is 100% in reality, but Bruno Mars is half Filipino and half Puerto Rican. People like Jose Rizal do count because most of his ancestors are from the Philippines, but yes he has Hispanic descent. I think Bruno Mars should go on the Filipino-American article. Someone like Brian Viloria should replace Bruno Mars or Charice. Also, where did Lapu-Lapu go too? He's regarded as one of the first national heroes of the Philippines because he was the first to resist colonial rule? Where did he go? There's some unnecessarry people in the infobox. Not because of personal interests, but it's just logics. We got a prostitute-like (not exactly prostitute but LIKE) singer, and a half-Puerto Rican taking place of a national hero (Lapu-Lapu) and example of a proud Filipino born outside the Philippines (Viloria). Viloria is born in Hawaii, but his parents are from the Philippines and he still speaks Tagalog as a native language. Viloria is even proud that he attains Filipino citizenship. This is...kind of ridiculous. PacificWarrior101 (talk) 06:05, 13 April 2012 (UTC)PacificWarrior101

Nobody responds today, I'm changing it. PacificWarrior101 (talk) 12:36, 13 April 2012 (UTC)PacificWarrior101

alright then. It's 12:00 AM, let's get going. PacificWarrior101 (talk) 05:13, 14 April 2012 (UTC)PacificWarrior101