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    The Graphics Lab is a project to improve the graphical content of the Wikimedia projects. Requests for image improvements can be added to the workshop pages: Illustrations, Photographs and Maps. For questions or suggestions one can use the talk pages: Talk:Graphics Lab, Talk:Illustrations, Talk:Photographs and Talk:Maps.
    This specific page is the requests page for the illustration workshop. Anyone can make a request for an illustration to be improved or created for a Wikipedia article. Clicking the "New Request" button will bring you to a standard template for submitting requests, as well as general advice that should be followed.

    Advice to requesters

    All requests:

    • Please make sure your request is "legitimate" by copyright. If the image(s) are in the public domain or freely licensed, you are fine. If the image(s) are "Fair use", there are only certain things we can do with them without falling afoul of Wikipedia's fair-use policies.
      • If you are requesting assistance with a copyright or fair-use image, don't display it on this page; place {{GLNF|Example.png|caption|align=left}} to create a link to it. Do not add the File: extension. Our fair-use policy does not allow displaying fair-use images out of their articles on ANY account.
    • Please check back regularly to see if progress has been made or if any additional questions need to be answered before the request can be completed.
    • If a request is done to your satisfaction, please mark it with {{resolved}}.

    SVG requests:

    • Make sure your request can actually BE vectorized. Note that vector drawings are not suitable for certain applications. We generally use SVG format for icons, logos, drawings, maps, flags, and such. Certain things, photographs especially, are totally impossible to vectorize.
    • Per our non-free content policy, vectorization of copyrighted images is not permitted. If a vectorized non-free image is desired, seek out such an image from the copyright holder.
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    Royal Standards

    Article(s): Commonwealth realm

    Request: Redraw these files as SVG and remove the flagpole on the Royal Standard of Sierra Leone.

    Graphist opinion(s): Thank-you for trying to improve your requests. However, the image tags are to go in the "gallery" which you removed, and the articles in which you plan to use the images go under "articles". Please list them. NikNaks talk - gallery 13:38, 19 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]


    Four Provinces Flag

     Not done - No use given

    Article(s):

    Request: Create an alternative version of this file named File:Four Provinces Flag 2.svg by arranging the arms so that the flag of Connacht is in the upper left quarter, the flag of Ulster is in the upper right quarter, the flag of Munster is in the bottom left quarter and the flag of Leinster is in the bottom right quarter.

    Graphist opinion(s):Clockwise or counter-clockwise? Also give the target file name using a red link such as File:Blahblahblahblah





    School Seal

    Stale
     – DyceBot (talk) 07:00, 20 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

    Article(s): Miss Porter's School

    Request: This is the only image I could find of the school seal. It's a little grainy. Could you clean it up a bit? Megadesk (talk) 16:32, 3 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

    Graphist opinion(s):

    German wiki's got a slightly better version. Worth SVG-ing, but I don't have the skill to deal with the fancy font. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 02:09, 6 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

    logo of KKR

    Article(s): Kolkata Knight Riders

    Request: SVG.--(talk→ Kkm010 ←track) 14:11, 5 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

    Graphist opinion(s): Please provide a vector source (such as a PDF) that we can convert. NikNaks talk - gallery 11:29, 6 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

    I don't know how to find PDF.--(talk→ Kkm010 ←track) 04:59, 8 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
     Done anyways. File: File:Kolkata Knight Riders Logo.svg. – Connormah (talk) 06:07, 28 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]


    Myanmar Army insignia

    Stale
     – DyceBot (talk) 07:00, 1 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

    Article(s): Army ranks and insignia of Burma, Myanmar Army

    Request: Please help convert these military insignias (not bound by copyright) into SVG formats. Many thanks in advance. Hintha(t) 09:22, 16 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

    These are very much bound by copyright; did you not notice the CC-by templates? Nyttend (talk) 13:16, 16 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, I understand that, but the designs themselves are no longer bound by copyright (the author of these works may not be aware of this), as Burmese government works are bound by copyright for a maximum of 50 years (which would be 1962), before they are released into public domain (Copyright Act of 1914, p. 22, for reference). These insignias, first published from 1948 to the 1950s, are thus no longer bound by copyright. Here's a reference of Wikicommon's phrasing here: Template:PD-Myanmar --Hintha(t) 02:07, 17 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

    Graphist opinion(s):

    SVGify, please

    Article(s): POSCO, SAP AG, Hutchison Whampoa, SK Group, Unisys and SAIC (company)

    Request: Please convert into SVG. Nyttend (talk) 13:15, 16 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

    Graphist opinion(s):

    You have not even checked if there are SVG logos present in other language versions of Wikipedia. There are in all cases but the last in de.wikipedia articles. The text-only logos might be moved to Commons in order to make them available for all Wikipedias. --Leyo 07:44, 18 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Try to complete the logos as quickly as possible, since its been put long ago.--(talk→ Kkm010 ←track) 04:54, 23 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Who is this addressed to? My comment was intended to be a hint for Nyttend on how to get SVG versions. I moved two logos to Commons, but I won't upload any logos here. --Leyo 08:19, 25 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm deeply sorry for my remarks, I hope you would complete the rest of the logos.--(talk→ Kkm010 ←track) 08:58, 26 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
     Done all. – Connormah (talk) 06:01, 28 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks!--(talk→ Kkm010 ←track) 10:50, 28 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

    Official seals of Thai provinces

    Article(s): Seals of The Provinces of Thailand, Provinces of Thailand, as well as individual province articles

    Request: A humble request to convert these (largely) black and white seals into SVG format, in line with prevailing standards. All of the seals are in public domain. Many thanks in advance! Hintha(t) 04:56, 19 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

    Graphist opinion(s):

    One down. Roshan220195 (talk) 15:02, 20 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]


    Great Seal of Maryland has copyright/quality issues

    Article(s): Many, especially Seal of Maryland and Template:Current Maryland statewide political officials

    Request: The two faces of the seal were apparently uploaded from the state website and incorrectly tagged as PD in Wikimedia (the reverse has been up for deletion for some months). The version from the federal document is, well, pretty bad, both in visual quality and accuracy (e.g. the back of the mantling and the coronet should be red, not blue). Would it be possible to make a better PD version? Note that it is the reverse that is widely used; the obverse only appears in articles on the seal itself and might be brought back to Wikipedia and fair-used. Mangoe (talk) 18:32, 19 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

    Graphist opinion(s):

    Celtic Fascism

    Article(s): Breton nationalism and World War II

    Request: Create a new SVG file by replacing the ermine with the Celtic triskele.

    Graphist opinion(s):

    Terrible graph, vectorise?

    Article(s): Polymer

    Request: This graph is illegible, can it be vectorised please? Thank you. Larryisgood (talk) 10:43, 25 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

    File:Spinodale und Binodale.svg might be translated or serve as a basis for vectorizing the graph. --Leyo 10:52, 25 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

    Graphist opinion(s):


    Blond Ambition images

    • Remove Watermark
      Remove Watermark
    • Remove Watermark
      Remove Watermark
    • Remove Watermark
      Remove Watermark
    • Remove Watermark
      Remove Watermark


    Request: Please remove the watermark. Lil'Monster Heart (talk) 01:24, 29 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

    Graphist opinion(s): Wrong venue. Please see WP:GL/PHOTO. Thanks, – Connormah (talk) 22:02, 29 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

    • The old banner image
      The old banner image
    • Another banner
      Another banner
    • Something similar to this would be awesome!
      Something similar to this would be awesome!

    Article(s): Portal:Asia

    Request: I have been working on Portal:Asia for a while now and I want to ask someone if they could please create a new banner image for the portal. ElVeracruzano (talk) 03:58, 1 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

    Graphist opinion(s):

    illustration for ‘Double Irish With a Dutch Sandwich’

    Article(s): Double Irish arrangement

    Request: the NYT has a nice illustration for this [1], it would help the article if someone could take a look at that page and make a compareable illustration for the wiki page. A1000 (talk) 09:07, 1 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

    Graphist opinion(s):

    resonance structures of BF

    Article(s): Fluorine

    Request: Create illustration of the three BF lewis dot diagrams as per this page: [2]. Keep it short and wide (left to right equations). I don't care if we use the vs or if we use the double-headed resonance arrows. Please add (a), (b), (c) below each possible structure. (This will help me discuss the stuff in my caption.69.40.252.66 (talk) 01:25, 2 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

    Graphist opinion(s):

    fluoride bridging ligands

    Article(s): Fluorine

    Request: Create illustration mimicing this graphic (keep the side by side aspect and (a) and (b)). But make following changes:

    • cut the "boxes" (bracket on left, box on right).
    • Change the X's to F's.
    • Get rid of the squiggly stuff in the right, bent ligand, model, but go ahead and have a line coming out of the L (iow -L-M-L-)

    69.40.252.66 (talk) 01:35, 2 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

    Graphist opinion(s):


    Pi graph: convert from PNG to SVG

    Article(s): Chronology of computation of π, pi

    Request: Picture File:Rekordaj_alproksimighoj_al_pi.png is used in this article. We want to also use that pic in the pi article, as part of an effort to make pi achieve Featured Article status. The old PNG picture needs to be replaced with a new SVG vector diagram, with the individual lines as distinct vectors, so we can change the text to English; and also tweak the graph coordinates. So: can someone redraw File:Rekordaj_alproksimighoj_al_pi.png as an SVG vector diagram? If you can just get the basic drawing converted (axes, lines, numbers/text on vertical and horiz axes; and the main graph) done, then I can take it from there and make some minor adjustments, I think. Noleander (talk) 19:02, 2 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

    Graphist opinion(s): Image's request under progression Request taken by Nageh (talk). – I can do that. I just saw your post at Talk:Pi now, so I couldn't respond earlier. I will work on it tomorrow. Nageh (talk) 21:20, 2 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

    That would be great! --Noleander (talk) 21:45, 2 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    There is a jag in the time line, presumably to identify gaps in the line. That's fine, but there's a concurrent jag in the graph. One might argue that the position of the graph is the distance above the x-axis, so a jag in the graph is warranted, but I disagree. The graph as depicted appears to says there were two drops, but that isn't the case. --SPhilbrick(Talk) 22:03, 2 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    I agree that the zig-zag in the graph is misleading. Either the graph should be a straight line in those (two) places; or maybe a dashed line in those two places. --Noleander (talk) 22:28, 2 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Right. I will turn it into a straight line. Nageh (talk) 23:00, 2 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

    For reference, here are some suggestions I made on the pi Talk page:

    • Colors: a simple black-on-white would be best. WP sort of has a policy to avoid relying on colors, due to color-blind readers.
    • Axes: The vertical axis should be "Number of digits" and the horiz axis "Year".
    • Scale: the vertical axis has to be logarithmic. Horiz axis should probably keep the "breaks" so the graph is not flat for centuries.
    • Year axis: the labels on the vertical axis are too hard to read (to get the number of zeros); suggest use scientific notation e.g. 1012 etc
    • Font: use Arial or Helvetica.
    • File format: Ideally, the picture should be in SVG vector format, not a pixel format like GIF/PNG/TIFF. That way, future editors can edit the file, and tweak individual graphic elements (for example, as new records are set, future editors could add new points onto the end of the graph). I've used InkScape in the past to create SVG pictures: InkScape is free, mature, and works on Mac or PC. To get to SVG Format would entail re-drawing the picture from scratch.
    • Data: Another reason to re-draw the picture from scratch is because we don't know what source the original picture creator used: their data may be suspect. the WP:V policy applies to data in graphs as well: we must be able to identify a source. I'd suggest the data points from Chronology of computation of π are the best data to use. The Arndt book has a great table (in an appendix) summarizing the num digits over time, and it is consistent with the Chronology of computation of π data, so I'd just use the latter as a starting point.
    • Newest data: it would be great if you could extend the old graph to include the newest data through 2011 (as shown in Chronology of computation of π)
    --Noleander (talk) 18:17, 2 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

    Have a look. Years before 1400 are compressed 20-fold compared to the years after.

    Let me know what you want to have changed. Best, Nageh (talk) 15:17, 3 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

    Awesome! Not only is it visually outstanding, but I loaded it in InkScape, and was able to edit the vectors: so future editors can add additional points at the end as time goes by. Great job! Go ahead and put it into the pi article; and also Chronology of computation of π. --Noleander (talk) 15:42, 3 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    I think you actually have disregarded the first entry in the chronology table, being somewhat fringe, right? Should we start at 2000 BC? Nageh (talk) 15:37, 3 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Let me look into that ... --Noleander (talk) 15:42, 3 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Nageh: Yes, the 2600 Great Pyramid value is too fringe-y, so it should be omitted. The Rhind Papyrus value from 2000 BC is the first valid one. --Noleander (talk) 15:44, 3 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Updated. Nageh (talk) 16:19, 3 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

    If I might comment, the 1e+012 is a very odd, jarring and probably incorrect form to use for the axis. It would make much more sense to use 1012 as suggested, or 10^12 if it needs to be in one line for some reason. --23230 talk 18:35, 3 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

    Looking again, a few more suggestions. I think it would be a good idea to mark with a vertival like exactly where the breaks in the axis are, looking at it there is a jump between -250 and 480 that has no clue as to where it is. I would also suggest using BCE or just negative notation instead of BC, but that's more a minor thing. Finally, have the x-axis continue past -2000 but have the line fade off (or dashed) to show we don't have any knowledge before then. Starting it as it does just implies that is the first time anyone ever created it, which may not be true. --23230 talk 18:41, 3 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Agree that 1012 is more attractive & understandable than 1e+012. --Noleander (talk) 18:54, 3 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Frankly, I'm having difficulties using superscript characters with gnuplot. I could use the 10^2 notation, but I'm not sure whether everyone would be familiar with that notation. Of course, the same is true for the scientific exponent notation (1e2), which many (but possibly not all) are familiar with. Second opinion needed.
    As for the "break", there is none in my graphics. The x axis grows linearly from 2000 BC to 1400, and then again linearly but 20 times as fast. So the only "break" would be at 1400, but since I denoted the key changes along the axis from 2000 BC to 1400 I think users will be capable of interpolating in between. As for BC vs. BCE, why would one be better than the other?
    Extending the graph to the left with a dashed line is a pretty minor aesthetic change, IMO, and problematic actually since we don't know at which value to continue that line: should it be at 2, 1, or 0 digits of pi that were known prior to that date?
    Nonetheless, thanks for your input! Nageh (talk) 19:01, 3 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Concur that the issues (other than exponent) are rather minor and can be set aside. Regarding the exponent: The use of caret 10^2 is not common enough, and would confuse lots of readers. To get a superscript: could you create two separate strings "10" and "12" and make the font smaller for the "12" string? Or would the relative positioning of the two strings be too risky because it might display differently in different rendering engines? --Noleander (talk) 19:07, 3 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    There are manual ways around it, which means editing the SVG file, but the horrible thing is that Firefox has an outstanding bug for 7(!) years now that it prevents it from rendering superscript characters. Just plain horrible! I'll see what I can do. Nageh (talk) 19:12, 3 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    It might just be a British thing, but I'm pretty sure most people would know what 10^2 meant and I've never seen anyone write or even type 1e+2 (unless it's entered into a calculator), especially as that should be a capital E. And I do now get what you mean with the scale on the x-axis, it's just the non-uniform scale that seems could be clearer. Extending the graph I suppose would be problematic, I would just suggest moving the ends of the axes off slightly so the line doesn't touch the y-axis. Also, I don't know what you're using to edit the graph but Inkscape has a functional superscript function. Finally on BC/BCE I suppose should just defer to the article which uses BC, not what I would do for a scientific graph but it makes sense for the article. --23230 talk 19:26, 3 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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