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Computing Skills

Although the programme for computing skills in scouts was reviewed with the 2003 changes, I definitely got IT badges before this period so I think it's wrong to say this is when they were introduced. Madeinsane (talk) 23:19, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Do you have a source for the earlier introduction of IT badges? --Bduke (Discussion) 07:53, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Page move

This move makes no sense— there is only one organization named The Scout Association. Branches of TSA operating in other countries are clearly titled as such. If this was such a problem, it should have been discussed. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 13:35, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Several Scout Association pages exist, and all include the name of the country they relate to in the title. The move clarifies that this page relates to the UK, and not to an international or umbrella association. Obscurasky (talk) 14:51, 4 September 2009 (

By the nature of this move, you are stating that the formal title is "The Scout Association in the United Kingdom." IF it needs disambiguation, then it would be "The Scout Association (United Kingdom)", and there would then need to be a disambiguation page for The Scout Association since there is apparent confusion between the various associations.[1] ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 15:12, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

And please don't move this article again. If you were to move The Scout Association in the United Kingdom directly to The Scout Association (United Kingdom), then there will be a huge number of double redirects that will be bot repaired with the odd name. If the consensus is to move it, then it needs to get moved back to the original name, then moved to a new name. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 15:25, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Obscurasky is right in that there exist many "The Scout Association of XXX" and "The XXX Scout Association". I think it is not a bad idea to add a disambiguation line to this article pointing to The Scout Association (disambiguation). And in that article a list of all "The Scout Association of XXX" and "The XXX Scout Association". --Egel _Reaction? 16:06, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

This should have been discussed first; you're right - and I was wrong. In the spirit of open debate then; after taking onboard Gadget850's comments, and for the reasons I've already given above, I suggest that The Scout Association (United Kingdom) be considered as a better name for this article. Obscurasky (talk) 20:52, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

I have no strong views, but if it is going to me moved it should be to The Scout Association (United Kingdom). There will be a lotof redirects and other stuff to fix. I would help with this normally but I am on vacation the other side of the world to my home base. I will be back in October. --Bduke (Discussion) 10:59, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Naming conventions. The Scout Association is recognized around the world as the Brit one and it's the only one so named. Others have the country in the title. I don't see any real confusion here. This all comes down to how one determines "necessary" in the naming guide. Since it's been TSA on wiki for years with no problem and this not having come up before, I'm not seeing it as necessary. — Rlevse • Talk • 12:07, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Membership badge

Egel has added the statement that the membership badge was changed to the purple WOSM badge under APR. I'm pretty certain that this is wrong as the APR-era membership badge that I have on my camp blanket is a diamond-shaped one. APR also stated that the background colour would be different for each section (APR, Recommendation 259). I have therefore reverted his edit until this can be clarified. DiverScout (talk) 17:42, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

I think it came in shortly after the APR, in the late 1960s, but that needs confirming. --Bduke (Discussion) 20:28, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

I'm thinking that there was a WOSM directive that came out late 1969 which led to most countries adopting the "World Membership badge". I'm trying to find a difinitive link! DiverScout (talk) 14:10, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

That the WOSM needed a "World Membership badge" was decided on the World Scout Committee meeting of 26-29 september 1962. The proposal was made by Jan Volkmaars. The adoption of a "World Membership badge" was done 1969 on the 22nd World Scout Conference in Finland. [2] [3] --Egel _Reaction? 15:03, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Not under APR, then! :) The World Membership badge was adopted by the UK Association in 1971. <url>http://www.scoutbase.org.uk/library/history/timeline.htm#1970</url> DiverScout (talk) 23:33, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Scoutlink

Does Scoutlink (The Scout Association) still exist? I have been all over http://www.scoutbase.org.uk and can't find anything. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 02:35, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Names of HQ Commissioners

In this article and many other UK Scouting articles, we have names of various commissioners without any source. This is unacceptable under our "living person" guidelines. I have flagged that list as "citation needed". If I or anyone else can not find a citation, I am going to delete the list. --Bduke (Discussion) 21:17, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

2 months and no sources have been added. I have removed the list. Such lists are not really encyclopedic and they are a potential "living person" problem. --Bduke (Discussion) 06:18, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Merge of Progressive Award Scheme

There has been a long discussion at Talk:Progressive Award Scheme#Rename regrading renaming this article as the title was not clear about its association with the Scout Association. It became clear that this article is not sourced to justify notability. Most of the material is already in the section articles of the Scout Association. The best solution is to merge part of this article to be a section in the Scout Association that covers some general history and points to the relevant sections in the Cub, Scout, Explorer, etc articles. Please discuss below:

• Support merge as above. --Bduke (Discussion) 22:12, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
• Support merge also keeping in mind recent discussions about manpower.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 22:52, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
• Oppose merge based on appearance of the page. Poindex (talk) 02:03, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

• What do you mean by appearance? How does this address the concerns about notability that I raised in this nomination last December? It is time we decided this. --Bduke (Discussion) 05:16, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

• Support merge as per nom. DiverScout (talk) 05:32, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
• Support merge. For the "appearance" question, the added section need not necessarily be titled PAS as a proper noun. Perhaps "Award programmes" or the like. Go ahead, Bduke, you have consensus. Do the merge.--S. Rich (talk) 13:39, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Proposed in Deember 2010, and now September 2011. Any decisions? DiverScout (talk) 15:21, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

• I have been bold and merged the content into the article. Rafmarham (talk) 22:12, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Wedding

http://scouts.org.uk/news/378/scouts-join-in-royal-wedding-celebrations

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