Talk:Lloyd M. Bucher

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Rebuttal?

The following paragraph doesn't make any sense to me:

"In rebuttal, it was Murphy himself that was totally incompetent, and Murphy's book was in retaliation to the bad marks given him by his skipper both in real life and in Bucher's book "Bucher: My Story" published only a few months before. The crew loved "Pete" Bucher and detested Murphy. Murphy did not know, and probably still doesn't know to this day that he was within inches of being shot and thrown overboard by members of his own crew well before the incident with the North Koreans. Bucher saved his crew, and said publicly for many years that "They were my men, and my responsibility..." and all but one came home alive because of one man's determination, and by saying afterward "I saw no point in sending men senselessly to their deaths.""

Whose "rebuttal" is this? Wikipedia's? What are the sources? What is the point of Bucher's quotes at the end? Mlewan 10:56, 22 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Removed paragraph. Mlewan 10:26, 27 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

factually incorrect perspective

This line presents a perspective that is factually incorrect:

"Eventually the US issued a written apology, at which point Commander Bucher and his crew were released"

The N. Korean delegation offered an apology that was composed of text they found acceptable to the US delegation. The US delegation refused to consider, let alone sign, the apology. When the office in charge of the US delegation learned that the N. Koreans would find acceptable an "overwrite" signature simply acknowleding receipt of the crew, the United States representatives signed the document.

Furthermore, the day prior to the signing, the US State Department announced the agreement, with a statement that the Pueblo had not been engaged in any illegal activity. There was, in effect, no retraction from anything.

The text of the overwrite is as follows:

"Simultaneous with the signing of this document, the undersigned aknowledges receipt of 82 former crew members of the USS "Pueblo" and one corpse.

On behalf of the Government of the United States of America,

Gilbert H. Woodward, Major General, United States Army 23 Dec. 1968"

This taken from "A Matter of Accountability", By Trevor Armbrister

mark 18:07, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Lloyd M. Bucher#Aftermath of the "Pueblo" incident edits

I just edited this section deleting or clarifying various opinions that were not directly attributable to Murphy, Bucher or someone else outside Wikipedia. Wikipedia itself is not supposed to render an opinion on any of this -- just to report others'. Someone may want to go back and rewrite some of the deleted materials to meet the WP:NPOV rules.--A. B. 01:42, 11 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

who wrote this?

70.248.147.210 02:05, 22 January 2007 (UTC)who wrote all of this? bucher?[reply]

Who thought that the desicion to surrender was wrong?

I mean really? waaaaaaaaaa! He was my great uncle! He was treated badly! waaaaaaaaaa! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.248.147.210 (talk) 02:15, 22 January 2007 (UTC).[reply]

"Don't Give Up the Ship," the words spoken by James Lawrence, commander of the American frigate Chesapeake, after he fell fatally wounded in the engagement with the British frigate Shannon, thirty miles off of Boston harbor, on 1 June 1813. Despite Lawrence's brave words, the British captured the Chesapeake, and Lawrence died four days later. When Commodore Oliver Hazard Perry won his famous victory over the British on Lake Erie on 10 September 1813, he flew at the mainmast of his flagship a blue battleflag inscribed with Capt. Lawrence's dying words. This phrase is one shared by those in the US Navy who refuse to succumb to those like the North Korean's who boarded a US Navy vessel illegally. Needless to say, had Bucher maintained his ship battle ready...we'd still have the Pueblo in US waters! K.C. Vendetta, retired military, 12/22/2011 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.7.238.130 (talk) 20:15, 22 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Post-Pueblo career

The article is silent on Bucher's post-Pueblo career. According to the USS Pueblo article, he continued to serve in the Navy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.89.213.86 (talk) 21:46, 16 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]