Talk:Oldest people

Frank Buckles

after february 1st frank buckles will be mentioned in this article after he turns 110 and is part of the men over 110 list that is on this artical. this man is the last surviving world war 1 veteran. 69.208.10.149 (talk) 16:27, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

today is frank Buckles birthday he is 110 years old as of today. somebody please add him to the list of men over the age of 110. 99.164.52.118 (talk) 04:40, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

what about Józef Kowalski? he turned 110 last year and is alive 24.93.141.190 (talk) 16:34, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Well, Mr. Buckles passed away before recognition. I really see a flaw in the process here. These people are, after all, on borrowed time. I do not know what was lacking in his documentation, but the delay was inexcusable. I hope things can be expedited in the future. This was the end of an era. I wish things could have been handled differently. 216.134.51.164 (talk) 18:59, 28 February 2011 (UTC)Flash Prescott

I don't see any impediment to having a family or associates gather the various sources for their claim well before the person in question turns 110. In some cases, a person is validated almost instantly as those documents have already been gathered and forwarded to those who assess the claims. The sort of documentation needed is no mystery. I'm kinda surprised that Mr Buckles' associates didn't do that - especially given the publicity that his associates promoted on Mr Buckles. It's not a particularliy complicated process, if the documentation exists. That being said, he DID make the list here, just on the unverified side. Canada Jack (talk) 17:56, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

Remember to never believe anything you see or read on wiki because anybody can do what I just did. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.125.103.106 (talk) 20:52, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Name

Was there consensus to change the article's name? jc iindyysgvxc (my contributions) 12:43, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Why rename this? This isn't just a list --Onewarmslime (talk) 09:42, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

Perhaps some has a separate list of oldest people not in the world? A list of the people on the space station? Can someone please turn this back? Canada Jack (talk) 18:16, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

I think we can safely assume it's a list of the Solar System's Oldest People. There are no old people on the international Space Station and I'm sure we can find sources that state that no people live elsewhere in our solar system. But it's a big galaxy out there, and an even bigger universe. I think it would violate WP:NPOV to assume that no older beings outside our solar system are people. Also WP:CRYSTAL. David in DC (talk) 19:20, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

OK, now that I've gotten that out of my system, I concur with Jc. I'm aware of no consensus to change this name. I concur with One, too. And, for good measure, I support CJ's request. David in DC (talk) 19:23, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

I doubt there is "people" in anywhere but Earth. In context of this article, it means humans. A list for other lifeforms can be created if needed, probably there already is some kind of list about animals in wikipedia. 82.141.74.224 (talk) 19:49, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

Józef Kowalski

Poland 111 yr ,living —Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.186.38.239 (talk) 17:52, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%B3zef_Kowalski

http://www.zachod.pl/2011/02/pan-jozef-kowalski-ma-111-lat/

http://www.prezydent.pl/archiwum/archiwum-aktualnosci/rok-2010/art,17,673,list-z-okazji-110-urodzin-jozefa-kowalskiego.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.180.144.194 (talk) 08:36, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Shige Hirooka

Who said that she is dead? Verify the sources before editting the article. --Vesailok (talk) 22:21, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Now I see. The sources exist. --Vesailok (talk) 15:33, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Li Ching-Yuen

I just confused. Is he was really aged 256 years old?  Dhio - 270599  14:05, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

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I agree, he should be on this list.

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--BookishOwl (talk) 03:44, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

New Oldest Woman Discovered - Maria Lucimar Pereira

Maria Lucimar Pereira is a confirmed 120 year old woman in Brazil

• http://www.treehugger.com/files/2011/08/worlds-oldest-person-found-thriving-in-the-amazon.php
• http://www.survivalinternational.org/news/7635

--76.168.209.45 (talk) 01:07, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Portal for Supercentenarians

I have created a portal, please help build it! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Supercentenarians --Leoj83 (talk) 01:35, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

Dubious

This article claims that Besse Cooper is the oldest person whose age can be documented, but Maria Lucimar Pereira of Brazil has documentation showing that she was born nearly six years earlier. http://www.survivalinternational.org/news/7635 Owen (talk) 22:52, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

She is on the List of alleged Brazilian supercentenarians page, and is fourth on that list showing recent claims. On the longevity claims page, she ranks 14th for current claims for the living. Her documentation was issued in 1985, so does not form a basis for documentary proof. Canada Jack (talk) 16:32, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Fair enough, I've removed my objection. Although I think the wording could be clearer, because the age of some of these other people can be documented, just not as reliably as that of people whose age was documented from birth. Owen (talk) 20:36, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Kamato Hongo and Carrie White Have Been Debunked

http://www.demogr.mpg.de/books/drm/007/index.htm

Michel Poulain essentially debunks the Hongo case here and Robert Young debunks the Carrie White case. The earliest Kamato Hongo could have been born was 1891 (which was too young to be WOP at the time of her death), and Carrie White was almost certainly born in 1888 (which would have meant that she was 13 years younger than Calment at the time of her death, and thus couldn't have been the WOP). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.30.146.236 (talk) 06:53, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

GRG still lists these two on their title-holder page [1], which was updated this past June. I'd say when they remove the names, we do so too. There was a similar situation with Izumi's case which was considered by many to be debunked, but was not taken off the lists until earlier this year. Canada Jack (talk) 17:42, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

I tried to convince Robert Young to have GWR take back these two cases, but have so far been unsuccessful. However, Robert (who works for GWR and the GRG) himself has said that these two cases have been debunked and that they should be removed from Wikipedia. I can find the link for you to his comments if you want. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.25.0.231 (talk) 04:07, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

Kamato Hongo & Carrie White ages should be adjusted

I have reviewed the research by Michel Poulain (Kamato Hongo case) and Robert Young (Carrie White case). I agree that the evidence strongly suggests that Kamato Hongo was born no earlier than 1891, and Carrie White was born in 1888. As such, their ages should be adjusted to reflect what is a fair and reasonable extrapolation of what their ages are "most likely" to have been. Continuing to list them on the list of the "verified" oldest, similar to the dubious case of like Shigechiyo Izumi, who has since been removed, is not credible. Scott Nokes 16:10, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

The cases are likely debunked, you are correct, but policy here dictates we remove them AFTER the authorities we cite remove them, not before. As I said above, this is what we did with Izumi. Canada Jack (talk) 17:08, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

http://www.grg.org/Adams/B2.HTM

The GRG has removed these two cases (as well as several other disputed cases) from their official oldest people ever list. Robert Young and CalvinTy (both of whom are GRG correspondents) have said that the table in the link above is the correct and accurate table, as well as the more modern one. Therefore, you have said that these cases will be removed from Wikipedia once the GRG removes them from its official list. Well, the GRG has already removed them from its official list, and now it's time for White, Hongo, Beard, Buitariu (sp?), Thomas Peters, and the other disputed cases to be removed from Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.25.31.187 (talk) 05:51, 18 April 2012

The link is to a new list which excludes cases which are disputed. But other GRG lists are still on the site which list the disputed cases. So, it's not clear that GRG considers the White and Hongo cases as "debunked" as opposed to simply "disputed." Martha Graham, for example, is not listed, though the main issue with her is not whether she lived 114 years, but whether the criteria which was acceptable in 1960 is still acceptable now. I am not aware that there is any new information which has "debunked" her case. That said, hopefully GRG will update some of those other lists. Canada Jack (talk) 18:51, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Robert and CalvinTy have both recently said that the new list is the correct list to use for the Wikipedia SC lists. You can join the 110 Club and see what they wrote for yourself. I suppose I can also copy and paste their recent 110 Club statements here. If you see Robert and CalvinTy's statements about this list and these cases being debunked for yourself, would that be sufficient enough proof for you to support removing these two cases from Wikipedia? For the record, I did have conversations with Robert and CalvinTy (both of whom are GRG researchers) on this issue at the 110 Club. As for Graham, I saw that CalvinTy and possibly some other people did some original research which concluded that Graham was likely only around 102 at the time of her death. I think that is why they removed her case. All of this would be much easier if you simply joined the 110 Club. I think you would be welcomed and allowed to post there.--Futurist110 (also known as Futurist) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Futurist110 (talk • contribs) 09:25, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

You entirely miss the point. I am well aware that these cases are disputed - Indeed, I included the notes on the disputed status for some of these very cases! But the list you linked to was a list which omitted disputed cases. And those disputed cases still exist on other lists maintained by GRG. When those disputed cases are themselves removed from the lists which include disputed cases - i.e., when they are debunked such as the Izumi case last year and removed from the lists - then we can omit them from our lists.

For Izumi, he still exists on some of the older lists from 2007, etc. which GRG maintains but has not updated. But the latest chronological list [2] omits him. When that list was posted, we could take him off here even though it was well known within the gerontology community for years that no one accepted the claim anymore. We go solely by published sources. So we are bound to updating these pages when the sources update their pages. The published sources still have those disputed cases on their lists, it's as simple as that. You perhaps should nudge Robert to take them off that CCCC list - or I could ask him to do so? Canada Jack (talk) 13:25, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

One more note on this. I believe we are on safe ground when we INFER that someone has been debunked. As with Izumi. With the older lists, he is there, but the latest page omits him and we are on safe ground, since disputed cases are listed therein, to infer that Izumi is no longer simply "disputed," but "debunked." However, we can't infer the same thing from the list linked to which omits disputed cases. Because disputed cases aren't necessarily debunked. Even if, elsewhere such as on the forums mentioned, these cases are considered debunked. It has to be clear from the SOURCE that a case is no longer accepted; so either a claim is explicitly said to be "debunked" or a claim no longer resides on a page which also lists cases in dispute. Canada Jack (talk) 14:27, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Hyperlink Besse Cooper in 'Ten verified oldest people living' please

Besse Cooper's wikipedia page hyperlink is missing, somebody add it please

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Besse_Cooper — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lmali92 (talk • contribs) 16:49, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

Recent news in India of 120 year old person marrying 60 year old lady

Recently there were news of :- Age has been no bar for 120-year-old Hazi Abdul Noor who married a woman half his age for the second time in Assam's Karimganj district on 30 October 2011 Displaying documents about his age, Noor who was a contractor during the British regime in southern Assam, said though he was 120 years old, his age in the electoral voters list was 116 years. Ref see [3], [4], [5] , [6] Jethwarp (talk) 16:29, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Manfredini vs Pizzinato

I think there should be a change made to the list "Oldest verified person by nation". Since the records are based on place of birth, as is stated in the title lines above the table, the entry for Italy, "Venere Pizzinato-Papo" should be replaced by "Dina Manfredini". Manfredini, currently second oldest person in the world (today 114 years, 280 days) was born in Italy and clearly older than Pizzinato at her death (114 years, 252 days). Who can change this? MT (talk) 21:45, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Jánosné Szentirmay

She is claimed to be male, but the Hungarian name definitely indicates a woman. János is the husband, and "né" added to it means his wife. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.92.7.201 (talk) 22:13, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 6 February 2012

Please insert an additional entry in the country's list as follows

Country: Cuba Name: Juana Bautista de la Candelaria Rodriguez Sex: F Birth date: February 2, 1885 Death date: Living Age: 127 years

and cite the article which appeared in the Cuban News Agency website including an interview with the woman and a photograph here: http://www.cubanews.ain.cu/2012/0203Joyful-Cuban.htm as evidence. According to the article "Juana Bautista was born on February 2, 1885, in the hamlet of Santa Rosa, in the neighborhood of Ceiba Hueca Arriba, Granma province, according to Volume I, Page 35, of the municipal Register of Births, Marriages and Deaths, where she was registered on February 27 of that year." This is a document of public record that can be inspected by anyone who cares to visit during office hours.

The entry should be inserted immediately before: France Jeanne Calment F 21 February 1875 4 August 1997 122 years, 164 days

89.101.207.219 (talk) 00:40, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

 Not done: This is discussed above. Please reach a new consensus before requesting an edit. Thanks, Celestra (talk) 01:46, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

Oldest verified person by nation - Austria

Could someone please update the section "oldest verified people by nation"? The oldest Austrian, Hermine Nistler, died on 13 February 2012. More information: http://www.grg.org/Adams/E.HTM - recent deaths for 2012 --77.118.159.144 (talk) 10:53, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Nicolas Savin

what is the story with this guy? is he the oldest person ever? Jean-Baptiste Nicolas Savin (1768–1894) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.55.96.202 (talk) 19:47, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

See Nicolas Savin. --Vesailok (talk) 22:27, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Is he a con-man-charlatan who enjoyed pretending to be someone he was not, in return for pension and fame?69.15.219.71 (talk) 18:34, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Kamato Hongo & Carrie White

Please read all of the previous posts on these two cases and their debunking. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Futurist110 (talk • contribs) 10:13, 20 April 2012 (UTC)