Talk:Left-wing terrorism

Lenin was, of course, involved in activity leading up to the 1905 revolution. Many of these activities obviously involved assassinations and so forth. But, because of the claim's speculative nature of the association, I would agree to leave Lenin out of it until I get more facts.

Of course, communist dictatorships aren't what Marx had in mind, but no one in their right mind would think that right-wing conservatives from Adam Smith to Ronald Reagan would have anything to do with National Socialism or fascism. Yet, they're still often lumped together. Unless we split hairs, no one here is going to be satisfied.

We don't have to split hairs. Left-wing tends to lump all "evil" as right-wing because they like to claim to moral high ground, conveniently ignoring Mao, Stalin, and Hitler and their left-wing governments. We don't need to play the game that one side is responsible for all the evil in the world, we can at least start with intellectually honest definitions though. Jbamb 14:35, 16 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

You'd written:

Nazism which was socialist and can also be considered left-wing.

It is an idiosyncratic view to call Nazism left-wing. -Willmcw 17:07, 16 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

How so? All the policies they support would find a welcome home in left-wing governments, and not in right-wing governments. To suggest otherwise is to say the defining characteristic of right-wing people is killing off entire peoples. That's simply propaganda. -Jbamb 17:51, 16 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

You are deriving conclusions. We don't do that here. We just summarize verifiable information using a neutral point of view. Do you have significant sources that call Nazism left-wing? -Willmcw 18:05, 16 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Deriving conclusions from what left and right wing is and applying it, yes. Take a look at left-wing, right-wing definitions in wiki. Can you honestly claim that socialism can find a place in the right? At best you can call Nazism not a left-right group, but you certainly cannot call it right-wing and maintain intellectual honesty. They seized power via revolution and took control over everything and socialized it... how is that right wing? -Jbamb 18:09, 16 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Again, we aren't here to make conclusions. We're here to report what conclusions other people have made. Despite their name, Nazis are considered to be fascist rather than socialist. No, they didn't take over everything. Private industry remained in private hands, for example. -Willmcw 19:54, 16 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Can I stress, the various Islamic groups you had on here as "left wing terrorist groups" were completely false. Islamic Jihad, Hamas, Al-qaeda etc do not in ANYWAY represent leftist ideologies. They are by their very nature, reactionary, conservative (they look back to an idealised past) and exist in oposition to the concepts of equality and liberty that leftist groups, even if horribly misguided, do aim to achieve.