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Hello... thanks for the note. You raise some valid points - and personally, I don't really care either way. (Keep in mind that I'm Canadian, so I use "tire", not "tyre".) However, the important consideration here is that per WP:ENGVAR we don't arbitrarily change the spelling of an article without discussion first, and (more importantly) in the case of this article, the title uses "tyre". We would not change the spelling of the article without first changing the title to "slick tire". If you feel strongly about the spelling, you are welcome to open a discussion to move the page and change the spelling. I can provide tips if you like, but it should not be done before such a discussion is complete. Cheers. --Ckatz^chat_spy 16:49, 18 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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This is your only warning; if you make personal attacks on other people again, as you did at Talk:2012 in UFC events, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. TreyGeek (talk) 00:25, 31 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

And who are you? Gamezero05 (talk) 00:50, 31 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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		The Exceptional Newcomer Award
		For expanding 2012 in UFC events. Well done. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 01:37, 1 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This is your last warning. The next time you make personal attacks on other people, as you did at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mixed martial arts/MMA notability, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Comment on content, not on fellow editors. Mt king^(edits) 21:03, 1 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

FYI, calling people names[1] and calling people liars[2] is not WP:CIVIL. Some would consider them personal attacks. Take a deep breath and compose yourself before you post. A lot of people have been blocked from editing in the last couple of weeks because they were unable to participate in discussions in a civil, constructive, and productive manner. --TreyGeek (talk) 21:38, 1 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

He was lying, so I said he was lying. Nothing uncivil about it. I think you are the one who needs to take a deep breath and stop threatening people with "warnings" because you are frustrated that most people disagree with you guys. Gamezero05 (talk) 21:41, 1 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) You are still at it, say "I dont agree with you analysts" or words to that effect. As for the copy paste notice you put on my talk page, either point to the offending diff or remove. Mt king^(edits) 21:59, 1 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Still waiting - provide the diff or remove the notice please. Mt king^(edits)

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Please be aware that users are allowed to blank any material on their own talk page. Applying the warning you are giving me is not going to help you case and continuing to do so could only result in more difficulties for you here. TreyGeek (talk) 21:56, 1 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Dennis Brown (talk) 22:04, 1 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This is your last warning. The next time you make personal attacks on other people, as you did at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mixed martial arts/MMA notability, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Comment on content, not on fellow editors. You're allowed to disagree with other people, however saying that "your idea sucks" is not appropriate. Several editors in good standing have worked on "the idea" so it could be established as a consensus. Hasteur (talk) 03:33, 2 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You are actually helping the two sides come together here, and it's fragile. Your "Here is the deal" thread is a good idea. So, it's important that you don't get blocked for incivility. You are right on the edge here. "your idea sucks" is way, way out of line. If you want to help, bury your frustration, and use your head. I, myself, have felt pretty frustrated with some of the talk page edits. I've seen what I consider to be gaming, ididnthearthat, obfuscation, bureaucracy, attempts to simply wear down the other side, and citing every policy in the book.

This thing may be nearing resolution, so stay cool, and keep along the lines of the constructive "Here is the deal" thread. Best, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 04:57, 2 April 2012 (UTC) Gamezero05[reply]

Nice work on the table, however you should note that there are some accessibility issues, you are showing the winner by colour, that can have some issues with people who are colour blind, and might not be able to distinguish the difference between red and green (see WP:COLOR), you may want to put the winner in bold text as well, to alleviate that issue. Cheers, -kelapstick^(bainuu) 06:47, 2 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I thought about color blind people, as well. Bold text is a good idea. Gamezero05 (talk) 06:54, 2 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'm glad to see things appear to be moving forward in a more productive manner for everyone. Like many others, I had previously nominated several of the MMA articles to be deleted, until two admin's closed some AFDs with the idea that doing an omnibus system was a better alternative. I haven't nominated one since, as I agreed with their new idea for resolving the problem. So I have been working on getting others onboard with the omnibus system, so that all the content can be preserved and still be within guidelines here. The compromise has been controversial, but the goal of myself and others has been to create a way to keep the content instead of deleting it. In that respect, you and I are on the same side, even if you didn't know it. Wikipedia is a bit more formal than most other websites in some ways. After all, it is and encyclopedia, not a blog or forum, and we all come from all over the globe with vastly different upbringings and cultures. Heated debates happen all the time, but there are so many people from very different backgrounds, so many different ideas, that it requires everyone participate in a measured way. We *want* everyone's ideas, even those that disagree with our own. If I had not listened to ideas that were different than my own, for example, I would still be putting up the articles for AFD instead of working with the omnibus system. So I'm looking forward to futher productive discussions, so we all can work toward making the new articles something everyone can be proud of. If you have any questions regarding anything, feel free to drop a line on my talk page. Dennis Brown (talk) 13:41, 2 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I looked at the tables you added to the MMA project talk page. The alignment problem is actually coming from the {{Yes2}} and {{No2}} templates you're using for the results. Both template explicitly set the alignment and use center as the default. Fortunately, you can set the alignment yourself by passing in an align parameter. I went ahead and did that in the first table you posted. Unfortunately, setting the alignment parameter each time is the only way to really set the alignment. Once you decide what information you want to include in the tables, let me know and I can work on some templates for you. I'm thinking something that would have fighter1, fighter2 and winner as parameters, where winner would be 1 or 2 and the appropriate template set. Don't worry about those details though - get a solid consensus for what should be in the tables and go from there. Ravensfire (talk) 20:53, 2 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Give what looks like unanimous support for the proposal to wait till next month for a RFC on the issue of flags, would you like to convert the the cards into table format. Mt king^(edits) 12:35, 5 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on 2012 in UFC events. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

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Hi Gamezero, have a look at what I did here, if you forget to log in when you sign something, you can just log in and replace the signature with your own, rather than leaving a note about it, just leave a short message in the edit summary about what you are doing, and it should be fine. Cheers, --kelapstick^(bainuu) 22:27, 24 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Who keeps changing the flag icons on the ufc 146 page--N2492004 (talk) 19:59, 26 May 2012 (UTC) And also jaksa999--N2492004 (talk) 20:09, 26 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This is your last warning. The next time you remove the maintenance templates from Wikipedia articles without resolving the problem that the template refers to, as you did at List of professional sports leagues, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Your removal was clearly disruptive as yo made no attempt to address the issue. Mt king^(edits) 07:05, 30 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Please stop re-adding images without fair use rationales. 07:40, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

The images I uploaded do have fair use rationales. Gamezero 05 07:42, 30 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Not for use on 2012 in UFC events and as per WP:NFLISTS I don't think one can be made. Mt king^(edits) 07:46, 30 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I just read WP:NFLISTS, and none of it applies to 2012 in UFC events. It is talking about lists. Using an example from that page... a list of characters. That would be the equivalent of having a picture next to each fighter fighting on a card. We don't do that on the 2012 in UFC events page. So either you can add the images back, or I will be doing that sometime in the near future. Gamezero 05 07:56, 30 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You are now being disruptive, there are two issues here, first NONE of the images has a fair use rational for the use on 2012 in UFC events; second have a read of Black Kites views on the Talk page of 2012 in UFC events and you will see he does. Now since both of us have made three reverts on the page, please make your case to Talk:2012 in UFC events. Mt king^(edits) 08:30, 30 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

If you add the images back I will block you for persistent disruption, that is of course if you haven't already been blocked for your personal attacks on the 2012 talk page (which will happen shortly if you continue to repeat them). Black Kite (talk) 06:14, 31 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't added the images back, and I wasn't planning to. And what I said on the 2012 talk page wasn't a personal attack. It was the truth. I'm not attacking him personally, I'm questioning his editing on Wikipedia. It's a matter of business, not personal. Gamezero 05 06:19, 31 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That's OK then - however see my comment on the talkpage. You shouldn't be attacking people who are clearly trying to uphold Wikipedia policies - that's simply not Wikilawyering, it's following policy. It would be better to work together here - that is, after all, the point of the place. Black Kite (talk) 06:22, 31 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

And that is exactly why I am frustrated with this. It seems as if users such as Hasteur aren't concerned with working together with the WP:MMA. They always use policy to defend their positions, and when I do the same exact thing I get accused of Wikilawyering. For example, Mtking puts up articles for deletion because of lack of sources, and when I bring up the point about him not even checking to see if there are sources that he himself can add to contribute, I am told that it is just a guideline and it is not required. I then get accused of Wikilawyering whenever I use policy to defend my position. Hasteur of course agrees. It's like, who's side are you on? Do you want to improve MMA articles or not? It is a group of people twisting policy to fit their agenda, and it isn't right. Gamezero 05 06:28, 31 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Gamezero, I can understand the frustration, however in the scenario you describe, if someone nominates something for lack of sources, you shouldn't reply with "well did you look for sources" and leave it at that, you should find the sources and post them in the deletion discussion and add them to the article. On Wikipedia, talk is cheap when you don't have evidence to back it up, and in this case the sources are the evidence. --kelapstick^(bainuu) 06:42, 31 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I do post sources. And the instance I am talking about, I questioned if he even did a search before he put the article up for deletion, because I was able to find google news archive sources, book and magazine sources from a google search, etc. I shouldn't have to follow people around constantly trying to defend articles from deletion. If they were acting on good faith, they would do the research in order to try to improve the article before putting it up for deletion. If they searched for the sources and they couldn't find any, well then that is one thing. But when I can find obvious sources through google news archive, then it is obvious the user didn't even try before putting it up for deletion. Gamezero 05 06:45, 31 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest you get used to it Gamezero. These editors are going to get their way one way or another. Portillo (talk) 07:12, 31 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I note with interest your pointy nomination of America's Next Top Model, Cycle 19, you clearly have been following my edits and believe the hype from the MMA forums that I am somehow a ANTM fan and this nomination will somehow upset me, but if you actually take time and look at them you will see that they have all been bringing the articles back into line with policy and guidelines. I would highly recommend you consider withdrawing your nomination as I suspect like Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/America's Next Top Model and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/America's Next Top Model, Cycle 18 before they are likely to be speedy kept given your MMA SPA status and by withdrawing them you may avoid a block. Mt king^(edits) 21:11, 1 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It seems that way, but you are wrong. I did find that page from your own edits, but I nominated it for deletion to see where Wikipedia policy stands. I see no difference between the ANTM 19 page and some of the UFC pages. I want to see if that page will be kept or not. If it is kept, then there should be no reason why UFC articles are not kept, and vice versa. I feel if MMA articles can be deleted on those grounds, then that ANTM 19 page surely is not more worthy of being kept. It really has nothing to do with you. I just found the article from your edits. It isn't like you were editing the ANTM page and adding to them or something. I never got the impression that you cared about ANTM. Gamezero 05 21:16, 1 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

MtKing has given you good advice. To see how the MMA matter stands by trying deletion on somewhat analogous articles on other topics is POINTy. DGG ( talk ) 01:30, 2 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Gamezero05. From your post above, it looks like you were looking into the What about article x? AfD argument: if America's Next Top Model, Cycle 19 article is kept, then ANTM 19 should be kept. That's one of the many Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions arguments and doesn't work. If you want to keep an article, one of the strongest arguments is directly from WP:GNG: "There is enough coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject to maintain a stand alone article." That's it. It doesn't always work, but it is a strong keep argument. If you want to put more details to your position in the AfD discussion, you can expand on that quote as well as provide links to each of the reliable sources to support your position. The opposite is just as strong delete argument, "There is not enough coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject to maintain a stand alone article." That's it. As for the keep side, I personally don't give much weight to all those awards, level, timing (it's too early) arguments because Wikipedia is here to convey info (not give out article space as a reward) and if there's enough reliable source content to convey as an article, we should in most cases. Now, you'll run across people who hold different views - they require a certain number or type of awards, they want only professional games and not a little league game, they want the event to have already happened. They'll point to some sub-WP:GNG-guideline to justify their position. They are not wrong, they just hold a different view and there's no reason to attack them personally or even challenge them for holding that different view. Also, in the end, it is the closing admin's rough consensus that matters when it comes to keep and delete and it is the closing admin that you need to convince, not the other AfD participants. You'll find that the keep-delete AfD outcome of two very similarly situated articles can be different, even without any change in policy or guidelines. The reason is rough consensus and that different people participate in different AfDs. So, what it comes down to is just post a strong keep or strong delete argument at AfD, hope for the best, and be kind to others. With that approach, you'll find that consensus decisions will fall your way more often than not. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 10:46, 9 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I am replying here, both to your comment on my talk page and to the comment you just left on DGG's page. Firstly I went to DGG as he dealt with what I perceived as the same type of situation before, secondly the accusation that I have "a clear vendetta with MMA on Wikipedia" is both uncalled for and not true, please retract it. As for your assertion that your nomination was not POINTy, may I recommend that you re-read the linked page, as were you not doing exactly what the first bullet point was saying you should not do ? Mt king^(edits) 02:02, 2 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Gamezero. I have a request, would you have a look at my suggestion, and the discussion at Talk:2012 in UFC events#Another way to organise. My statement to you is this:

Like it or not, the omni isn't going anywhere (as proved by 3 AfD discussions)
The omni is not easy to navigate which is part of why people don't like it
If we can improve the navigation/appearance, maybe people will like it

I would like your opinion on how we can improve it, because if it is going to be here, it might as well be easy to use. Keep in mind my request in the section though, I just want to discuss how to improve the article, not the merits of it, or how other editors are trying to disrupt MMA. I just want to improve the article as best I can, because frankly, it doesn't look like it is going anywhere. --kelapstick^(bainuu) 22:14, 2 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi Gamezero05 . The style of your signature -- style=color:White;text-shadow:darkorange - seems to make it invisible and difficult to read (see signature appearance and color). Would you mind changing your signature color. Thanks! -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 09:52, 9 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]