Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Robert M. Bakish

Robert M. Bakish

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Non-notable businessman. He's president/CEO of Viacom International Media Networks, which is a sub-division of Viacom. That's not the kind of position that would create automatic notability. There are insufficient third party sources to demonstrate standalone notability. GrapedApe (talk) 01:32, 10 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Profiles in Forbes and Bloomberg Business Week seem adequate to demonstrate notability to me. JulesH (talk) 15:36, 10 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- That is Forbes' database on stock owners that are automatically created based on SEC filings--anyone with substantial stock ownership gets one. The Bloomburg one is similar, albeit with more detail, but all it does it re-state his positions, which aren't substantial enough to create notability without substantial coverage third party coverage, as required by WP:GNG.--GrapedApe (talk) 15:42, 10 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

These sources seem to me to be adequate third party coverage in themselves. Yes, both Forbes and Bloomberg are getting their information from the same primary source, but they have both decided on editorial rules for who is included and who isn't (presumably some threshold investment size, although I admit I'm not familiar with their rules). And the section of prose on Bakish's personal history in each is different, suggesting each of them have done some research independently of the other, so we can't regarded them as a single duplicated source.

Dismissing these sources because the decision to include has been made based on fixed rules applied to a database of financial information also suggests we shouldn't include stuff like Forbes' Richest People list as a source, but we do. JulesH (talk) 17:35, 10 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Nonsense. The WP:N requires that the subject has "gained sufficiently significant attention by the world at large and over a period of time." Being on the Forbes List of Richest people is significant attention. Being part of an SEC database that gets dumped into a Forbes "profile" without any actual authorship doesn't mean significant attention.--GrapedApe (talk) 21:36, 10 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:07, 11 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:08, 11 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]