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Justin Bieber on Twitter

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This is not a notable topic. Notability is not inherited and twitter accounts like youtube videos or email address or stretch of highway or sites with many visitors simply do not carry on the notability of the artwork, city, highway, or person they are associated with. All the sources are about Justin Bieber not about his account itself, this could be merged into one sentence in his article and this article deleted as it is not notable at all. LuciferWildCat (talk) 07:24, 29 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment AfD procedures require that The article's creator or other significant contributors should ideally be left a message at their talk page(s). This was not done, and I regard it as very poor form. Hawkeye7 (talk) 02:14, 30 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy Keep Not all the sources are about the Twitter account. Some are about how ("random comments") or how often it is used ("Twitter addict"). Most are about what was written in it. For the sake of the normal use of modern English, I cannot really support taking Justin Bieber's name out of this article completely, but if one did so, it would still have import. This article is, at 70K, bigger than the Justin Bieber article at 62K. A merge is out of the question. Anarchangel (talk) 08:33, 29 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It's not uncommon for famous people to have articles that are well over 150KB large. It's natural to have bios on popular people to have larger articles than those that are not. Personally, I would think the Justin Bieber article would have more stuff in it, just as I would expect with Lady Gaga or even Rihanna. --MuZemike 18:59, 30 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep It's been rated a good article. Sourced, notable per press coverage, and the article is about the twitter account not just Bieber, despite what the proposer says. I know a lot of people hate Bieber and Twitter and think Wikipedia should only cover high-minded topics like Latin poetry, dead presidents, and Star Trek, but reflecting the decline of human civilisation to the level of bum-scratching apes is not a valid reason for deletion. --Colapeninsula (talk) 09:19, 29 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- You could have fooled me that people think that those are our topic foci. Our articles on Latin mnemonics (AfD discussion), Handedness of Presidents of the United States (AfD discussion), and Pon farr (AfD discussion) have all been nominated for deletion. Argument from beauty (AfD discussion) was nominated for deletion, twice, and that's had eight centuries of scholarly analysis from Summa Theologica onwards, some of it in Latin. This whole idea that Wikipedians want to focus upon high-minded topics is just nonsense, and unsupported rhetoric that other Wikipedians use in arguments like this. The reality is a lot more complex. Uncle G (talk) 09:45, 29 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment' We can't just keep articles related to celebrities that are often "hated on" that is an invalid argument and public figures are all widely beloved and despised. The merits of this article are insufficient for an article independent of the Justin Bieber article and the Celebrity use of Twitter article where this minor content belongs, and is more appropriate.LuciferWildCat (talk) 14:06, 29 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep : The article has many reliable sources, very specifically the claims in national newspapers that he is the second most popular celebrity Twitter user (presumably in the world?), which counts as notable in my book. My personal opinion, however, can be summed up quite nicely with this - oh how I wish WP:IDONTLIKEIT was a valid argument to use for AfD at times like these. --Ritchie333 (talk) 10:15, 29 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I don't hate Justin Bieber he's very sexy actually and Twitter is something I use and love daily, nevertheless when you say in the defense of this article, "he is the second most popular celebrity Twitter" you are talking about Justin Bieber and not the account, this content should be merged into the Bieber article and summarized, it is not notable on its own weight and has a place on that article, notability is just not inherited. LuciferWildCat (talk) 14:06, 29 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  - - - Comment: 3% of the servers does not have to do with the specific account. The marketing aspects of it do not have to do with Bieber. There are a number of non-Bieber marketing sources talking about it. The academic sources talking about how his account were a central node of discussion around the Arab spring are not about Bieber, but the fans talking retweeting and commenting on content around it. --LauraHale (talk) 23:41, 29 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Websites-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 13:52, 29 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

~~Weak Keep~~ This does not meet the same level of quality and in-depth focus of Ashton Kutcher's Twitter activity, but it does appear that his activity on Twitter gets unique and independent coverage that goes beyond mere detailing of what he's tweeting about.--The Devil's Advocate (talk) 18:01, 29 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Upon further inquiry I am convinced this is more than suitable for an independent article. --The Devil's Advocate (talk) 23:45, 29 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete on principle. Really? The unfiltered musings of a teenage singer have their own page in an encyclopedia? Sometimes its best to ignore the rules lawyering, go for common sense, and just delete this fantarding nonsense. Hekerui (talk) 21:48, 29 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Bieber, like most major public figures, has a notable impact on culture and society. How his activity on a major social networking service such as Twitter has enabled him to amplify that impact seems to me a matter "worthy of notice" and we have the sources to demonstrate as much. Maybe you fail to see the encyclopedic purpose of detailing how a specific person has influenced the use of a service or influenced society through said service, but I think there is a more-than-reasonable argument to be made that an article on a pop culture icon's social networking activities can and does serve as an informative insight into our fast-moving inter-connected culture in the Age of the Internet. Should you have issues with wording there is a way to address that.--The Devil's Advocate (talk) 23:19, 29 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as fancruft. This sets a sort of precedent for other silly, pop-culture articles; if we can keep this, why not create things about various other artists or (heaven forbid!) an artist outside the English-speaking world. The article may have reliable sources, but those sources are worthless if the topic is not notable. It has admittedly received significant coverage in reliable sources, but any out-of-the-ordinary remark a celebrity makes on Twitter will receive some coverage. I, like Ritchie333, wish that IDON'TLIKEIT were valid at this point. Interchangeable 23:06, 29 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: As I understand fancruft being something other than WP:IDONTLIKEIT, the article would be of extremely limited interest over a relatively obscure topic where there was limited sourcing. FuseTV mentioned the article on Twitter. The sources include ones in several languages including Romanian, Turkish and Italian. They also represent sources from the United States, the United Kingdom, Australia, New Zealand and India. Justin Bieber has 25 million followers, more than the population of Australia. There are over 100 different sources including academic works, newspapers, popular culture works. I'm trying to understand what you are defining as fancruft here. Can you provide additional details? And if the article has that many reliable sources that would in most cases far exceed those required for notability elsewhere, then what is going on? The article goes beyond what Bieber's random blatherings on Twitter are. Please elaborate more? If necessary, I can work to improve the article to add any of the 3,000+ available WP:RS sources that do more than just mention random tweets Bieber made. --LauraHale (talk) 11:37, 30 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as fancruft, ie, WP:FART.PumpkinSky talk 23:09, 29 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as fancruft; let Wikia have it, though.
Note, this has been listed at Wikipedia:Featured Article Candidates for Deletion. Br'er Rabbit (talk) 23:23, 29 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Article is reliably sourced. Article topic easily passes WP:GNG. Article cannot be merged back into Justin Bieber as there was no consensus at a merge proposal to do so. Not seeing the evidence of fancruft in the article. Would like example text from the article that suggests there is a neutrality problem with the article making it fancruft. --LauraHale (talk) 23:38, 29 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Here are some examples of the very much not fantard reasons for keeping this article: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5]. Obviously the significance of Bieber's presence on Twitter is far greater than just any random pop culture icon's presence on any random social network. Stop with the pop-hate and try to consider that it may actually be as notable an aspect of the singer as his actual musical productions.--The Devil's Advocate (talk) 23:43, 29 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Article is reliably sourced. Passes WP:GNG with substantial coverage in mainstream sources. Refers to something involving millions of people and millions of dollars. "Delete as cruft" falls under WP:IDONTLIKEIT. Hawkeye7 (talk) 23:46, 29 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy keep, good articles are inherently article worthy. All you have to do is read the lead to see how this is notable. 117Avenue (talk) 04:29, 30 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I think poorly of Beiber, and even more poorly of Twitter, but in the cases of Gaga and Beiber only, I think that the race for #1 is significant enough to warrant a keep. For all other celebs, social media activity should be part of the main article. I caution the forces behind the creation of this article on that they have raised significant backlash here, and that they likely won't see nearly as many keep votes if they make ...on Twitter articles for others, or make Justin Beiber on .... articles for other platforms. Sven Manguard Wha? 14:19, 30 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep, reliably sourced, passes WP:GNG and per Sven. ⇒T A P 15:04, 30 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment – I am not going to !vote in this AfD, but the deletion discussion should focus on whether or not this article is appropriately within Wikipedia's scope and policies. The fact that it was listed as a GA or is currently at FAC should be irrelevant; it is certainly possible to write a high-quality article that does not fall under Wikipedia scope or standards. --MuZemike 18:43, 30 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as WP:NOTTRIVIA (specifically item #3 of WP:INDISCRIMINATE). I do appreciate the hard work editors put into this; but: While this is a well written article and would make a fine addition to Bieberpedia (yes, that really does exist), I think the subject matter fails as a stand-alone article from a historical and encyclopedic view. There are possibly parts which could be merged into either the Bieber article or the Twitter article from a Pop culture standpoint, but if we start down this path with Bieber, and Lady GaGa, and, and, and ... (Does Charlie Sheen have one yet?) ... where do we draw the line. WP:V of WP:RS should be a goal of all articles indeed, but they should not be the "be-all-end-all" for inclusion IMHO. Chedzilla (talk) 19:12, 30 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Since closing administrators should be impartial, I suggest that this discussion be closed by an administrator from outside the English-speaking world, who has not heard of Bieber. Inter change able 20:28, 30 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]