Talk:Rubén Rivera

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Baserunning incident

Just curious...I don't want to get involved with the normal elitist Wikipedia politics garbage, but why was the section regarding his baserunning incident removed? Most people that are coming here are probably looking for that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.205.224.216 (talk) 00:51, 11 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Because all of it is unsourced and judgmental, avoiding any neutral point of view or encyclopedic value. I'm sorry that striving for unbiased accuracy is too "elitist policial garbage" for you. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:31, 11 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'm with the previous guy -- the baserunning incident is key to this guy's bio. Figure out a way to say it nonbiased, I guess. It's that and stealing Jete's glove -- that's this guy's entire life. He's pretty noteworthy for those two reasons, compared to similarly bad ex-MLBers of the same years. Vegaswiki (talk) 14:14, 13 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

To include it, it would need a reliable source that establishes it as a notable incident. I'm unconvinced. – Muboshgu (talk) 14:19, 13 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Didn't he get cut from the Giants shortly after the incident? Doesn't that make it relevant to his career? What would it take to put it back in, a link to a news article? That's not hard to find.

Seriously, though, the only two things anyone remembers about Rivera are stealing Derek Jeter's glove, and that weird baserunning play. Why are you so determined to keep deleting something that everyone else wants to see? Hatster301 (talk) 22:54, 26 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

We have policies at Wikipedia, specifically regarding the need for reliable sources and ensuring no undue weight for any event. If you can provide references that suggest any importance for this event, it can be included. I've said that from the start. Nobody has produced that. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:11, 27 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

There are plenty of websites, articles, and videos that detail the incident and it's noteworthiness. This guy is only noteworthy for those 2 incidents, otherwise his bio should be two sentences. Stuff like this causes people to distrust Wikipedia -- actually important information is excluded because it doesn't fit a literal defition [from a nonexpert user]. Vegaswiki (talk) 18:27, 27 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

OK, now what's the problem? I provided no less than four reliable sources establishing the notability of the baserunning incident, including being #9 on Bleacher Report's 25 Biggest Screw-ups in Baseball History (Bill Buckner was #1). You now have the "references that suggest any importance for this event" that you asked for, so why are you still trying to keep it out of the article? -- Hatster301 (talk) 06:17, 6 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

So Bleacher Report ranks it as the 9th biggest "screw-up"? What does that mean? Bleacher Report as a source is pretty suspect on its best days, so there's that. Why focus on this when you could pick up on #'s 2 through 8? How notable could this be if the best evidence you can point to is Bleacher Report ranking it 9th, as opposed to the Bill Buckner situation, which would cause millions of Google hits? – Muboshgu (talk) 03:19, 15 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Bleacher Report gets 13 million unique visitors per month, and is the 4th most popular sports website behind ESPN, Yahoo Sports, and CBS Sports.^[1] Why don't I focus on #'s 2 through 8? Because each and every one of them is already included the associated Wikipedia article. The only play in the top 10 that's not in Wikipedia is the Ruben Rivera play, and that's only because you keep removing it. And finally, a Google search for "bill buckner world series error" returns 71,600 results, not "millions". FYI, a search for "ruben rivera baserunning error" returns 91,300. -- Hatster301 (talk) 07:24, 15 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Bleacher Report is not a reliable source, because they accept content from its readers. Also, WP:GHITS is not a valid argument. If Buckner does indeed get that few hits, it's because it was before the internet age. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:47, 7 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The baserunning incident absolutely defines Ruben Rivera's career. Omitting the incident is like excluding Watergate from the Richard Nixon article. It may not be incredibly important on a global scale, but there is nothing more significant in the scope of this player's history. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nicklegends (talk • contribs) 21:34, 27 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Not this again. Prove to the community that this is Rivera's Watergate. I would think stealing Jeter's glove was his Watergate, but whatever. That was significant because it resulted in his release. What did his baserunning mistake result in other than an out? – Muboshgu (talk) 14:18, 28 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It was the last major league game he ever played. The Giants released him in disgust and he never made it back to the majors. Nicklegends (talk) 10:21, 9 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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