Talk:Arsenal F.C.

Capacity

The capacity of the Emirates Stadium should be 60,000, not 60,355. See Arsenal.com "Stadium FAQs": [1] Jawley (talk) 06:16, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

That's clearly incorrect - the attendance for the Liverpool match last weekend was 60,094. [2] The 60,355 comes from the club's official report to shareholders and is also repeated elsewhere on the site [3] as well as the Premier League's website. [4] The 60,000 is just a rounding-down and inaccurate. Qwghlm (talk) 12:20, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Numbers

Arshavin the Tottenham hotspur fan as a chiled,has been transferred to arsenal he no. 13 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Robben11 (talk • contribs) 03:15, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Not confirmed by either club nor the FA yet, so just hold off until he is, thank you. If the clubs are taking their time then so can we. :) Qwghlm (talk) 10:24, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

He is claiming he will be 23 anyway!—MDCollins 15:35, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

He has now signed but no squad number has been confirmed... yet. As it could either be 13 or 23 (or 6 or 29) so please don't add one in until officially confirmed by the club. Thanks. Qwghlm (talk) 17:07, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

They have photographed him with an Arsenal shirt on the Arsenal.com website and his number is 23. Just get it up already! 94.208.86.29 (talk) 17:15, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing it out... already corrected! Qwghlm (talk) 17:18, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Andrei/Andrey

Is there actually a correct spelling here? I've almost always seen it spelled as "Andrei," but Arsenal's website uses "Andrey." A lot of times there are a few "correct" transliterations, which is probably the case here. Which should we use? Eightball (talk) 04:41, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

So does the Zenit FC website, which prefers Andrey (see here). But this is really a discussion for Talk:Andrei Arshavin, isn't it? Qwghlm (talk) 10:10, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

I've opened a requested move discussion open over there, all welcome to contribute. Qwghlm (talk) 10:25, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Result: Not move - (i.e. keep Andrei Arshavin) - as a move cannot be supported by WP:COMMONNAME evidence. As a result, this page should probably mirror the spelling of the player article.—MDCollins (talk) 23:18, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Arshavin's official Twitter page uses Andrei as the correct spelling Twitter.com/ArshavinAndrei.

The TRUE reason why Arsenal Fans are referred to as Gooners.

{{editsemiprotected}} Arsenal fans often refer to themselves as "Gooners", the term being derived from the nickname for the head of the Arsenal 'Firm' in the 80s, and it became the nickname of the 'firm' itself. These most passionate of fans were always on the North Bank at Highbury.

With all due respect, there is probably no one agreed-upon origin of the word "Gooner" and so to save on endless uncitable debate on the matter, it is best to try and give an impossible to cite claim here. Qwghlm (talk) 04:39, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Arsenal third shirt

I noticed that Arsenal's 2008/2009 third shirt isn't included in this article.The third shirt for this season, which is officially chosen by the club itself is last season's away shirt and it is mentioned in Premier League's official website as well as Arsenal's official online merchandise store, until it was removed due to stock clearance. I believe that the third shirt should be added. Gunner0095 (talk) 13:49, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Why is 'Arsenal' plural?

"Arsenal Football Club ... are an English professional football club based... They play...". In my opinion, it is ridiculous. Arsenal is a club, it is a singular word. I ask the entire article converted into singular form. YemeniteCamel (talk) 20:22, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

In UK Englsh Grammar the convention is that singular nouns relating to groups i.e. committee, government, team etc are treated as though they are plural. This convention differs from US English where the singular of the verb is used, I believe as the norm. So it is correct in this case as the club is a UK based one to say "Arsenal are..." or "The club are...." By the way this issue has been aired / resolved plenty of times before.Tmol42 (talk) 20:36, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Just noticed this. This is an incorrect application of the English convention. Committee, government, team are all groups of individuals hence why in English they take the plural form, Arsenal Football Club is a singular legal entity to which the plural convention does not apply. In other words when talking about Arsenal Football club as an entity the singular should be used (eg Arsenal is a club, it is based in North London), however when referring to the Arsenal team this falls into the orbit of the convention and plural form should be used (eg Arsenal are pushing forward in the second half). The applies to government - eg the UK government is located in Whitehall, the government have decided that... it all depends whether you are referring to the entity or the group of people. Marlarkey (talk) 23:24, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Here's a reference to the explanation on this topic by the BBC... http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/learningenglish/radio/specials/1535_questionanswer/page51.shtml

I also refer you to English plural where under Discretionary Plural the precise point I just made is explained in detail with an example that matches exactly what is currently wrong with this Arsenal page - eg England are playing Germany, England is the most populous country of the United Kingdom.

And as an Arsenal supporter I have to point out with disappointment that the plurals and singulars are correct on the ManU page :(

This page needs an overhaul to correct this error. Marlarkey (talk) 23:27, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

There were some discussions, now archived here and here. Chensiyuan (talk) 01:34, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

To be honest I don't really care if its been discussed before if it came to an incorrect conlusion. One of those quotes exactly the same wiki reference as I did, namely discretionary plural but they reference it incorrectly. I repeat the example from discretionary plural that illustrates the point - "England are playing Germany", "England is the most populous country of the United Kingdom". I am correct and I've cited the correct references to back it up... "Arsenal Football Club is the best" but "Arsenal are winning". It all depends whether you're referring to Arsenal the single entity or Arsenal the collective noun (ie the people who make up the club or the team). Marlarkey (talk) 02:06, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Who was asserting the correctness of the conclusion? It is simply a good practice here to see if the community has discussed the matter before especially since it was mentioned that it has. To be honest nobody really cares about you, either. Chensiyuan (talk) 02:21, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

It shall remain as it was until a new concensus is reached. Woolwich (talk) 10:42, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

OK then I guess the consensus are happy to have a grammatically incorrect article... long live the dictatorship of the majority. I suggest you guys read a book on English grammar such as Fowler (or Partridge or Gowers) which is referenced in discretionary plural and explains in detail why the 'consensus' you refer to is wrong.

BTW why don't you head over to the ManU page and apply the 'consenus' to that page too ? Marlarkey (talk) 14:45, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Why can't Arsenal be referring to the collection of individuals in every case? Woolwich (talk) 17:19, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Well, most of the references to Arsenal are correctly referring to the colletion of individuals and therefore the correct form is Arsenal are. However the opening of the article is clearly referring to the singular entity Arsenal Football Club and therefore the correct form is Arsenal Football Club is. The whole article could be written unambigously either way, ie using Arsenal are throughout or Arsenal Football Club is throughout. What we have here is a mixed usage in which references to the Club (a singular entity) use the form Club are instead of Club is. Apart from anything else this form sounds wrong and is ugly English. The article could be rewritten to avoid referring to Club. However that changes the meaning, because the object then is the collective group of people that are Arsenal rather than the singular entity that is the Club. Marlarkey (talk) 20:52, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

BTW I did a quick check, of the following example only Chelsea follows the same incorrect usage as this Arsenal article. The rest all follow the usage that when referring to the single entity it is is and when referring to the group of individuals (eg the team) it is are:

Manchester United Football Club is

Chelsea Football Club are

Liverpool Football Club is

England National Football Team is

The Harlequin Football Club is

Scuderia Ferrari is

The Conservative and Unionist Party is

Marlarkey (talk) 21:12, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

why do you care? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.105.206.251 (talk) 14:48, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

New away shirt

Just wondering now that the 08/09 season has finished, when the new away shirt[5] will be put under team colours? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eltigue (talk • contribs) 16:51, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

The season is definitely not over until at least the end of the month & the FA Cup final, if not even later with the summer internationals. The transfer window starts July 1, so maybe then? Qwghlm (talk) 15:12, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

They've announced a new 3rd strip on the website. Can someone stick it on the page as A) It's a locked article and B) I haven't got the foggiest how to do it! Twsf (talk) 00:20, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Y Done. The website says the stripes are redcurrant but they look more grey to me, I've done a half-way approximation of the two. Qwghlm (talk) 11:42, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Details of Shares and ownership of the club

I believe the details in this section are wrong, as the shares stated add up to a total of 131.3% percent which clearly makes no sense! This should be looked at! 78.105.206.251 (talk) 00:34, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

I think you're double-counting the numbers:

• Board of directors shares: 28.3 + 16.1 + 0.8 = 45.2%
• Nina Bracewell-Smith: 15.9%
• Red & White: 25.0%
• Total owned by these three blocs together: 45.2 + 15.9 + 25.0 = 86.1%

You're adding in the total the board owns (45.2%) to that number again to get your total of 131.3%, but that's already been counted once, so that's where you've made the mistake. Qwghlm (talk) 09:31, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

yeah sorry fair enough i forgot kroenke was now a board member sorry for bothering you silly me 78.105.206.251 (talk) 14:57, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Current squad list

Last season we had a rather protracted discussion/argument about which players should be listed under the 'Current squad' section. I believe the compromise we reached stated that the list would show the first-team players from Arsenal.com plus any reserve/youth players who were named in the squad for a competitive match. While this was a decent compromise at the time it also developed a list that doesn't appear in any other source, which is sort of original research. So for this season I think we should definitively decide which squad list to use. There are a few options:

• The Arsenal.com first-team squad
• First-team squad + reserve players. ARSENAL HAVE BOUGHT BRAZILLIAN RONALDO FOR A STAGGERRING 32.5 MIL'!!!!! ARSENE WENGER WAS SAID TO HAVE TOLD THE SPECTATORS THAT" YES, RONALDO IS THE BEST PLAYER OF ALL TIME AND WILL MAKE HISTORY AT ARSENAL, THATS WHAT WE WISH"
• UEFA's list for the Champions League (probably wouldn't be available until August)

Personally I think the best option is to show just the first-team players under the main Current squad subheading (perhaps change that to "First-team squad") and show the reserve players below underneath the Reserves and Academy subheading (like how it is done here). That way we make it clear which players are in the first-team, while also showing all the reserve players on the main page (because Wenger will end up playing a lot of the young guys over the course of the season). Cheers. Eightball (talk) 19:39, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Disagree. Compiling a list from multiple cited sources is not original research by any definition (else List of Arsenal F.C. players is also original research) - it's just aggregating verifiable data. Players who have been named for the first-team should be in the first-team squad list, not relegated to a Reserves or Academy sub-section. In any case, including all the reserves and academy players on the main article would take up too much room. Qwghlm (talk) 17:23, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

We aren't aggregating multiple sources, we're just applying our own arbitrary standard. WE are deciding who belongs under the current squad list, not any actually authority (such as Arsenal or UEFA). Besides, it would hardly take up any room at all to add the reserve players (it's quite a small list), especially since a few of them would be removed from the current squad listing. There is no need to include a list of academy players because any academy players who get first-team playing time also appear in the reserves squad. This creates a clear distinction between first-team and reserves (remember when Wilshere was made a full first-team players last season? it was a pretty big deal, but our list makes it look like he was simple given a new number. that's pretty misleading) while also recognizing that some of the reserve players deserve to be listed on the main page. Hope this clears things up. Eightball (talk) 20:16, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

This is what I am proposing. Eightball (talk) 20:22, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

I think it makes the page way too long. And information on reserve team players who don't make the first team should really belong in Arsenal F.C. Reserves. And you get edge cases - e.g. Gavin Hoyte and Mark Randall have played first-team games in the League and League Cup - which section do they get put into? For me the logic is simple - you get named in a first-team match and given a shirt number, that makes you without a doubt a first-team player - it's citable, logical and straightforward. Qwghlm (talk) 13:44, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

It BARELY makes the page longer, that's just factually incorrect. Mark Randall and Gavin Hoyte are listed as Reserve players, not First-Team players, according to Arsenal.com. They would obviously go into the Reserve squad list. One of my biggest concerns is with players like Gibbs, who played so well recently that he was moved up to the full first-team (i.e. he isn't a reserve player anymore). But there is no way, given our current layout, to reflect that. Eightball (talk) 19:05, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Why don't you separate First team players, and reserve team players?

That's exactly what I'm saying :) Eightball (talk) 19:05, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

I have read the discussion and I somewhat agree with you, however removal of players with actual first team experience such as Fran Merida is wrong. Deletion of Szczesny, Frimpong and Emmanuel-Thomas in my opinion would be exceptable. If we used Arsenal's website as our only source then we should just provide a link and not bother. We all use our discretion as the season moves forward and do so because as a rule of thumb, Arsenal update only at the start of each season. Most other team's wiki page are done this way and not in the structure you are proposing. As an example, using your method last season Kieran Gibbs would not be considered as a first team member until this season when Arsenal actually added him. This season another player may become the victim. I notice you want to protect Jack Wilshere's status so why not others? (ArsenalWiki (talk) 18:21, 16 July 2009 (UTC)).

They are not actual first-team players, Arsenal.com makes this very clear. They are simply reserve team players who have gotten time in competitive matches, primarily as a result of Wenger's tendency to play young players in the League Cup. My method is far more factually correct: I haven't deleted any players, I simply moved them to the proper section. Eightball (talk) 21:53, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

And no, other team articles are actually NOT done that horrible way. They simply take the official squad list from team websites. I don't understand how that isn't the obvious decision here but whatever, this is Wikipedia. Eightball (talk) 21:56, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Are you kidding yourself? Of the 20 premiership teams only Blackburn Rovers' wiki page is done the way you are suggesting. I have read back and you seem to be alone in your argument, so why do you persist? This page has had this structure for a long time and needs no correcting. Take this to an Arsenal administrative. Also thank you for passing my Eboue update off as your own. (ArsenalWiki (talk) 23:55, 16 July 2009 (UTC))

You're new here so I've tried to be patient, but you better listen up now because if you keep reverting the page I'm going to start getting annoyed. "My way" isn't just showing the reserve squad on the main page. I'm only doing that out of the kindness of my heart because many of those players will be on the League Cup roster and probably deserve to be on the main page. My suggestion is simply that we use the official Arsenal squad list from their website. I don't see any logical way you can argue against that. Arsenal has their official squad, we list it on here, done. The structure previously in place only existed for the last season and is the result of a compromise I made in order to prevent the "current squad" list from including a bunch of 17 year old youngsters that probably wouldn't even see time for the reserve team. This article is the ONLY ONE in which the current squad listing is made up by Wikipedia editors, and not directly cited from an official source. That is original research by any definition. I'm telling you again: do not revert the article. From the tone of your comments you appear to be very confused as to what I am trying to improve; hopefully I cleared that up for you. Eightball (talk) 02:07, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Why don't we just provide a link to the official site and be done with it? We use our discretion as moderators to improve even on their work, not copy. Like I said before Gibbs was not added to Arsenal's first team (on arsenal.com) until April time, so by your standard we would have had to wait. I suggest listing only players who have played competitive football for Arsenal, that is why it is called a squad list. You are changing the title to first team, as a tool for your argument. I would say in reality you are either in the first squad or the youth squad and the reserve squad (for short periods of time) is a combination of the two (not the concern, but this is how it appears to take place at Arsenal). I do understand your Man City argument, though this is a result of them not promoting the amount of youth players Arsenal do (I would be shocked if any of their youths players get games this season with the demands of the new owners, which then reflects upon their first team squad list). Please leave it the way it was and in future discuss the possibility of changes with administrators. Which you have done before and got nowhere. I may be new however it did not stop you from copy and pasting the reserve squad for which I have committed a high proportion of the work (along with the youth page). I joined recently to help improve an already excellent page and not just edit for no reason. I tried to help with the removal of Szczesny, Frimpong and Emmanuel-Thomas, you should see that as a compromise. I'am going to undo one last time and return it to it's original format. If the administrators agree with you by all mean change it. Make sure they read all discussion between us and the other moderators you have challenged in the past. (ArsenalWiki (talk) 15:21, 17 July 2009 (UTC)) —Preceding unsigned comment added by ArsenalWiki (talk • contribs)

60.50.77.113 (talk) 15:45, 21 September 2009 (UTC)According to Arsenal.com, Fran Merida and Luke Ayling share the same squad number, 32. Previously the former used the number 46. Now Merida uses 32, and according to UEFA.com, Luke Ayling uses 46. Also about the Kerrea Gilbert and Jay Emmanuel-Thomas number 38 and 42 thing, Arsenal.com is accurate but the Online store isn't. Kerrea Gilbert is not 38, Emmanuel-Thomas is.

/* External links */

Can you please include the official Arsenal FC soccer schools websites in list of external links [6] and [7] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.161.35.177 (talk) 12:31, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Arsenal badge size

A while ago the size of the Arsenal badge in the infobox was reduced from 180px to 150px. It looks a bit small now and other club's badges are bigger. I'd like to know why this was done. Woolwich (talk) 22:03, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

whatever size it is, it's still crap and totally lacking in the class and style of the one that preceded it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.1.233.67 (talk) 15:39, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Fran Merida, Luke Ayling uses same squad number.

According to Arsenal.com http://www.arsenal.com/first-team/players and http://www.arsenal.com/reserves-youth, Fran Merida and Luke Ayling share the same squad number, 32. Previously Fran Merida uses the number 46. Now Merida uses 32, and according to http://www.uefa.com/footballeurope/club=52280/competition=1/index.html, Luke Ayling uses 46.Skisagooner (talk) 15:35, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

stock market details too prominent

Can the prominence of the stock market details of the club be justified? I see no reason for any mention of this at all, other than perhaps a short reference to being publicly owned. This seems like a plug by an employee to me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Le chien manquee (talk • contribs) 21:07, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Pronunciation

AFAICT it's the same pronunciation as the common name "arsenal", and it isn't a surprising pronunciation (i.e., it is the one almost all people would guess from its spelling if they had never heard the word pronounced before). So what's the point of it? ― A. di M. — 2nd Great Wikipedia Dramaout 16:51, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

It appears that someone added IPA for most/all the English clubs some time ago. They are mostly superfluous for native English speakers - "Arsenal" is just the word arsenal, as you say - but perhaps they are useful for our foreign readership, who knows? Lfh (talk) 21:04, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Unbeaten Season

Hi, I'm sure this must have come up several times before, but surely the line in the summary that claims Arsenal "...are the only Premier League side to have completed a season unbeaten." should be made clearer? The club completed their Premier League fixtures without being beaten, but lost 6 times (I think) that season in the cup competitions. Perhaps it should be reworded as ""...are the only side to have completed a Premier League season unbeaten." Decorativeedison (talk) 00:55, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

In Popular Culture

As part of one of Arsenal's firsts, shouldn't it be mentioned that they (and Emirates Stadium) will be host to the world's first live broadcast 3D football match. I think this should also be mentioned on the Emirates Stadium page and the Manchester United page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.242.111.5 (talk) 17:45, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

I'd say it's a genuine first, and deserves a mention once it's happened, but not until. It's not our job to advertise the event or the company concerned, and there's no guaranteeing it'll all go off as planned. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 17:52, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

It did happen in the game against Manchester United. I'll try to find a citation for that event. DMJohnston (talk) 18:34, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

I added some information and two citations DMJohnston (talk) 18:58, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

The phrase 'are often perceived as boring' seems a bit wrong. They were certainly, but nowadays they are considered one of the most exciting and attacking teams in the world, while the wording given indicates they are still considered to be a boring side. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.125.39.172 (talk) 21:34, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

I agree. Arsenal have often been stereotyped as a defensive and "boring" side, especially during the 1970s and 1980s; - This needs to be rephrased. The sentence gives the indication that Arsenal are still considered a boring side. --Jairodz (talk) 05:14, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Youth/Reserves

There is an article on Cedric Evina, shouldn't that be deleted? Banana Fingers (talk) 10:33, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Looks like it has been. DMJohnston (talk) 18:35, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Arsenal is not the 3rd richest CLUB in the world

The article states "Arsenal are also the third-richest club in the world as of 2009, valued at over $1.2 billion.[2]" However the reference clearly directs you to a table of "Soccer Team Valuations." It should read Arsenal is the 3rd richest FOOTBALL club in the world —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dawazeezee (talk • contribs) 19:27, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Change it then. Tomlock01 (talk) 23:54, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Transfers and new player signing

Some editors are under the assumption that once a player is signed that it is acceptable to add them to Wikipedia. All articles are required to meet WP:V and the article uses http://www.arsenal.com/first-team/players as its source for players. That means if a player does not appear on that list you are adding incorrect information to the article. When that page is updated, feel free to make all of the requisite changes. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 18:18, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Umm, I think you are mistaken. On the link you have provided Marouane Chamakh is clearly listed in the "Strikers" section with the number 29 shirt and he already has a profile set up. Mattythewhite (talk) 18:23, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Agreed. Looked for the string itself. Will back-down. Thanks for the clarification. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 19:43, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

I think the issue is about the Transfer window and when contracts start. Kingjeff (talk) 19:52, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

I partially agree. The transfer window is important to indicate when the players are considered to be part of a new club but the main issue as far as Wikipedia is concerned is verifiability and the resource does indicate that the player is a member and so the information is verifiable. Isn't it? What does the Football group have to say about this? --Walter Görlitz (talk) 21:06, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Away kit issue

(I posted this on this seasons page but i'm reposting it here so it's more likely to be seen) I don't know if this is intentional or theres something wrong with the coding but the away kit design is incorrect. The socks are supposed to be all yellow as opposed to white with yellow and recurrent striped tops as it is currently showing. There is a picture of what they should look like here. Can someone rectify this error? The C of E. God Save The Queen! (talk) 16:21, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

I changed this the other day. Just noticed your note here. I'll check on this season's page as well. Good looking out, cheers! Cswift2 (talk) 23:52, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Ladies' Manager

Tony Gervaise was replaced as manager by Laura Harvey towards the end of the 2009-10 season and the information contained in the Ladies section on this page directly contradicts the (correct) info on the Arsenal Ladies page. (When I tried to correct it earlier, the change was 'reverted' and tagged as vandalism[!]) For info: http://www.arsenal.com/ladies/coaching-staff/laura-harvey (Gervaise continues as Academy Director... even though his position is also listed [still, erroneously] on the club's website as 'ladies manager'.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.158.60.8 (talk) 07:52, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Try adding it again, this time add the source beside it, that way they can't call it vandalism. The C of E. God Save The Queen! (talk) 07:56, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Gallas depature

I think Arsenal.com may be a little behind on the Gallas issue. I know that it is used as the only source allowed for updating the squad list, but [8] this seems pretty conclusive from Wenger - press release used on a hell of a lot of sites - Wenger quoting on Gallas' poor World Cup - "I don't know if Gallas has been perturbed by his departure from Arsenal," added Wenger. It's probably a pointless battle reverting every person who deletes him from the squad page - only because he hasn't signed for another club yet.—User:MDCollins (talk) 23:35, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Barazite gone?

I have read that Nacer Barazite has gone on trial to Rangers so does this mean Arsenal have let him go? Here for Rangers' report and here for Arsenal's report The C of E. God Save The Queen! (talk) 17:18, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

He has gone to Vitesse in Holland.Dame edna uk (talk) 14:01, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 110.174.181.45, 18 October 2010

{{edit semi-protected}} Remove |- class="vcard agent" | style="text-align: center" | 24 | style="text-align: center" | GK | style="padding-right:15px;" | ITA | style="padding-right:15px;" | Vito Mannone in the section ===First-team squad===

Replace with |- class="vcard agent" | style="text-align: center" | 24 | style="text-align: center" | GK | style="padding-right:15px;" | ITA | style="padding-right:15px;" | Vito Mannone (at [Hull City A.F.C.) in the section ===Out on loan===

Source: "Mannone completes loan switch to Hull City" - http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/mannone-completes-loan-switch-to-hull-city

110.174.181.45 (talk) 14:17, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

 Done Thanks, Stickee (talk) 09:18, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Location is Highbury (not "Holloway")

• The club's address is: Arsenal Football Club Highbury House 75 Drayton Park London N5 1BU (Source: http://www.premierleague.com/page/arsenal) • Drayton Park is a street in Highbury, and N5 is the Highbury post code. • Since 1913 Arsenal has always been referred to as being in Highbury. • The stadium address is: Emirates Stadium London N5 1BU

Therefore, the entry should read Highbury (not Holloway). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.223.195.138 (talk) 18:25, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

I don't recall the Emirates Stadium ever being referred as Highbury ("in common parlance"). Parts of Holloway are in N5. Yes, the registered offices (not the stadium) in "Highbury House" may be in Highbury, but that doesn't mean the stadium is.—User:MDCollins (talk) 19:55, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

True, Another example of this I can think of is that the London Irish rugby team's offices are in Sunbury-on-Thames but the stadium the team play at is in Reading and so they use the Sunbury postcodes opposed to the postcode of the Madjeski Stadium. The C of E. God Save The Queen! (talk) 09:25, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

The original poster is correct. The Emirates Stadium is wholly within the Islington ward of Highbury West. The Holloway ward boundary is to the west of Holloway Road.Goonerak (talk) 12:02, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

So then I guess, we'll have to change it? The C of E. God Save The Queen! (talk) 13:24, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Yes please can we change it to Highbury? It really isn't Holloway - and in any case the adjoining location is "Lower Holloway" (not "Holloway") - see this Ordinance Survey map: [[9]].

PS the map linked in my previous comment clearly shows the boundary of the N5 Highbury postcode as fully encompassing Emirates Stadium. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.223.195.138 (talk) 21:29, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

The actual new Arsenal stadium is situated in Holloway N7 & the ground is built on Ashburton Road N7, Queensland Road N7, Emily Place N7 & the former N7 Postal Sorting Office, the clubs offices are on the other side of the railway line in N5 Drayton Park Road which is the club address.& the club administration offices . There has been no change of boundaries between N5 & N7, just ask the Post Office or Islington Council to confirm details — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.29.2.42 (talk) 23:02, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Nordtveit transfer

Håvard Nordtveit's transfer to Borussia Mönchengladbach has been confirmed on the Borussia Mönchengladbach website (English translation). - Jasmeet_181 (talk) 15:39, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Also covered by Sky Sports. - Jasmeet_181 (talk) 15:52, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Missing Players

Nacer Barazite is missing from the current squad/reserves section after returning on loan from Vitesse Arnhem.

Samuel Galindo is on loan at Salamanca.

Pedro Botelho is on loan at Cartagena. Samir Ali is on loan at Barcelona — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dalbatamori (talk • contribs) 20:45, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

http://www.arsenal.com/reserves/arsenal-s-loanees —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.149.96.8 (talk) 13:07, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Victoria Concordia Crescit

In the 'crest' section of the article, it says that 'Victoria Concordia Crescit' translates to 'Victory comes from harmony', whereas on the Arsenal site itself it says that it translates to 'Victory grows out of harmony' http://www.arsenal.com/history/the-crest

Can someone change it since I'm not allowed to. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nelalix (talk • contribs) 20:55, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Well you know all you need to do is enter a small number of separate edits on unprotected pages and you can then do it yourself. The C of E. God Save The Queen! (talk) 21:28, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 86.152.187.152, 4 February 2011

{{edit semi-protected}} the japenese kid needs put back into the on loan players cant remember his name hes at feyenoord

86.152.187.152 (talk) 12:36, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. You'll need to state exactly what needs to be changed, and provide a reliable source. Qwyrxian (talk) 14:03, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

I think he only wants Myachi (check spelling) to be moved into the loan section of the players. I know theres a source for that in the season page. The C of E. God Save The Queen! (talk) 15:02, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Lehmann

He's number 26 not 13 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.109.186.25 (talk) 22:09, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Shirt Sponsors

How's about a shirt sponsors and manufacturers section like on the Leeds United page.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leeds_United_A.F.C.#Shirt_sponsors_and_manufacturers

There used to be one on the Arsenal page but it was taken off. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gooneradam (talk • contribs) 11:24, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

Well to be honest, Arsenal have really only ever had 4 sponsors JVC, SEGA/Dreamcast, O2 and Emirates Airline so there's very little point. The C of E. God Save The Queen! (talk) 07:30, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

Well there's been 4 different technical sponsors too: Bukta, Umbro, Adidas and Nike. Seems appropriate detail to have in an encyclopedic source of info — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gooneradam (talk • contribs) 15:45, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

Someone's added this is now (not me), but I have corrected their mistake: Bukta were left out as kit suppliers. However, to my original point, I think the display of shirt sponsors and manufacturers a la the Leeds United page would be good. Additionally, kit suppliers and sponsors are now mentioned in 2 areas of the Arsenal wiki page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gooneradam (talk • contribs) 12:43, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

I placed the corrected info back into a new table, imho a table provides a better overall overview. --Ultras GE (talk) 23:23, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Edit request from 86.156.41.213, 25 March 2011

{{edit semi-protected}} Add Ryo Miyaichi to the list of players on loan

86.156.41.213 (talk) 01:19, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

 Done -- gtdp ^(T)/_(C) 17:06, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 86.146.158.165, 31 March 2011

Kyle Bartley's Loan at Rangers has ended early due to injury he needs moved back to the reserve squad.

86.146.158.165 (talk) 23:27, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

 Done by User:ArsenalWiki. — Bility (talk) 03:25, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

Players on Loan

I believe the list provided as of 4/5/2011 is incorrect. For example, Wellington Alves da Silva and Ryo Miyaichi are missing. List of others here: http://www.arsenal.com/usa/the-players/arsenal-s-loanees —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.247.31.8 (talk) 06:45, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

They have been included in the reserve team page as none of them are considered to be first team players.Goonerak (talk) 11:32, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Gunnersaurus Rex

This article has been revived - perhaps a view could be taken on its notability, please. TerriersFan (talk) 14:22, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Copyright violation. http://ripple.arsenal.com/juniorgunners/gunnersaurus/gunnersaurus-fact-file and other locations. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:43, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Well for a start, don't just copy what the source says, it will just get flagged for copyright. You can take the source info and re-write it in an encyclopedic tone with something such as "Gunnersaurus was involved in filming of an FA Cup advert in 2005. as an example sentence to fulfil the advert rather than going into him talking about it (how, I don't know). Also I would suggest don't write it as if you're The Club Website saying it to a Junior Gunner as someone else might not know what you're on about and AFD it. Finally I would suggest you find other sources, 1 won't be enough if you want it to remain under notibility policies. Try and find something in the Daily Mail or the BBC, any 3rd party source will be fine to establish notibility and prevent it being deleted or redirected. Something like this would be fine(_ish). The C of E. God Save The Queen! (talk) 15:25, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Good points; you may wish to copy them to the editor concerned at User talk:Wummer71? TerriersFan (talk) 15:38, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Done. The C of E. God Save The Queen! (talk) 16:11, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

User:82.32.153.217

This IP specialises in vandalising the articles of Arsenal players by altering their heights. Arsenal editors may wish to monitor his contributions. TerriersFan (talk) 21:41, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Right, if he is a serial vandal why not report him? The C of E. God Save The Queen! (talk)

He hasn't had a block warning before; which I have now issued. If he vandalises again, and you let me know, I can now block him. TerriersFan (talk) 12:59, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Edit request for arsenal Reserve squad

the player Nicholas Yennaris now has a wiki page on Arsenal F.C. Academy linked on his name can someone link Nicholas Yennaris to his page on the arsenal fc page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Godofdreams2 (talk • contribs) 16:31, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Maybe I'm not reading this correctly but I've checked Wikipedia and can't find a page for him? Are you requesting a page be made or that his name is linked to the arsenal FC website? Confused a little. Pereirab04 19/07/2011 13:59

Edit request from 86.149.8.28, 20 June 2011

According to arsenal's first team list and his wikipedia page Jens Lehmann is gone from arsenal again.

86.149.8.28 (talk) 22:17, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Will make the change when 1 July arrives. That's the official start of the transfer window. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 22:26, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Away kit update

The away kit needs updating. It's still showing last season's which I suppose should be moved to the 3rd choice kit as the club haven't yet seemed to have released a 3rd kit. The new kit picture is here. The C of E. God Save The Queen! (talk) 18:33, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

I think the proposed third kit got the boot as it was deemed unnecessary and costly for a fan! (what happened to rotating the new kit from home to away each year?) The "specials" i.e. 125th seemed to have put paid to that.—User:MDCollins (talk) 22:30, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Would somebody please remove the Nike check/tick to help the new away kit edit meet wiki standards.(ArsenalWiki (talk) 18:02, 12 July 2011 (UTC))

Edit request from 81.131.245.52, 13 July 2011

According to arsenal's player database woijcech in now number 13 not 53

81.131.245.52 (talk) 13:24, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

 Already done Jnorton7558 (talk) 00:26, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from ArsenalWiki, 19 July 2011

Would somebody with more knowledge than me either re-edit the new away kit or find a way to remove the Nike check/tick to meet wiki standards. (ArsenalWiki (talk) 22:04, 19 July 2011 (UTC))

Done. I'm going to do the same for all similar images. It's Malpass⁹₃! (_drop me a ^___) 23:07, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Hi Malpass, thanks for that but it has now reverted back. (ArsenalWiki (talk) 15:33, 23 July 2011 (UTC))

The original uploader is playing hardball unfortunately, and is constantly reverting my edits, despite my insistance. I will upload a new version independent of his file myself in the morning. It's Malpass⁹₃! (_drop me a ^___) 00:37, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

I have a new version hereFile:Kit body arsenal1112a-2.PNG but I don't know how to put it into the infobox, it doesn't show in the previews. It's Malpass⁹₃! (_drop me a ^___) 16:11, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Rhamank, 24 July 2011

gervinho's number to 22 on the squad list because i saw him in a freindly match wearing the number 22.

Rhamank (talk) 06:56, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

No, Arsenal have said that those numbers were just temporary for the friendly and could change so it's not confirmed that that is going to be his number. The C of E. God Save The Queen! (talk) 09:56, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Transfer fees

I just wanted to point out that on this page, the transfer fees are all listed for Chamberlain, Gervinho and Jenkinson while their sources clearly state "...for an undisclosed amount". I didn't want to change it in case I annoyed whoever put them there but the news sources are all different and not reliable in the slightest. Any thoughts? Thanks Pereirab04 (talk) 22:47, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

If the source doesn't specify any transfer fee, then no transfer fee should be in the box. I think that most of them are coming from newspaper reports and not the offical club source. The C of E. God Save The Queen! (talk) 18:47, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

My thoughts exactly. I'll go through the sources and remove the price tags that aren't sourced. After reading the newspapers the fees for Gervinho range from 10 - 13.6M pounds! Very unreliable. Thanks for the response - Pereirab04 (talk) 01:46, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 86.156.40.159, 12 August 2011

Certain players like Lansbury and Frimpong are included in both arsenal's first and reserve teams and should be as such on wikipedia

86.156.40.159 (talk) 16:06, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Topher385 (talk) 19:59, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 86.156.6.58, 16 August 2011

Thomas Vermaelen is now vice captain http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/van-persie-appointed-as-arsenal-captain

86.156.6.58 (talk) 12:38, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Is listed as such now. Jnorton7558 (talk) 16:51, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Arsenal 125th Years crest

Hi, Can anyone upload the Arsenal 125th Years Crest. I have it and tried to add it, but noticed this is a semi-protected page. Please add. Thank you :) --Killerserv^Talk 23:06, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

I downloaded the one from the header, it is good quality, however the dimensions are rather small (110x81). Is it worth uploading it anyway? It's Malpass⁹₃! (_drop me a ^___) 14:29, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Carl Jenkinson's nationality

Can someone change Jenkinson's nationality to English? (the flag beside his name) Jenkinson was born in the UK. He has dual nationality but has only lived in the UK. he's not yet chosen which country he'd preferred to play for at full international level. But, in any case, he was born and raised English 90.193.238.129 (talk) 19:49, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

No, under FIFA regulations, since he last played for the Finnish u21 team he is Finnish until he decides to play for England. The C of E. God Save The Queen! (talk) 10:26, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Thought you might say that. Thought I'd ask anyway 90.192.107.22 (talk) 00:59, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

Arsenal's official website lists Jenkinson as English. --Shylocksboy (talk) 15:11, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

I think I would be far more likely to trust the official Arsenal website than anything on Wiki, so will someone please change the flag to the correct one90.192.107.28 (talk) 21:48, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

If you're inclined toward not trusting "anything on Wiki", then why bother yourself with it at all? Mattythewhite (talk) 21:52, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

You miss the point, if an official website states something then surely Wiki should follow suit? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.192.107.28 (talk) 08:39, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Are you suggesting that FIFA isn't an official website? Please elaborate. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:03, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

FIFA - the fair and just arbitrator of international football? - surly you jest! FIFA can state what they like, they do not issue passports or have the legal authority to assign nationality. Of course Arsenal do not either. However, since Jenkinson was born in England, has dual nationality and has yet to state his preferred choice at international level the issue remains open. In any case this page is about Arsenal FC NOT FIFA. Surely the page should reflect the content of the official website when it comes to a players nationality (enough elaboration?) 90.192.107.28 (talk) 21:44, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Ownership and Finances

This section is out of date. Danny Fiszman is dead. He sold his shares to Kroenke before he died. I believe Lady Bracewell-Smith has also sold her shares and is no longer on the board. Kroenke now owns 66.76% of shares and most of the rest are owned by Usmanov (Red and White Securities). The Arsenal Board DHooke1973 (talk) 11:30, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

The board does not include all the shareholders. There are others who hold shares just not in such large quantities. For example the Arsenal Supporters Trust and Rangers all own shares in Arsenal but are not included in that. Being a shareholder does not garuntee you a spot on the board. Back to the article, if it's out of date then by all means update it. The C of E. God Save The Queen! (talk) 12:03, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

I never said the board includes all the shareholders. In fact, Usmanov isn't even on the board. The "Arsenal Board" page I linked to at Arsenal.com is simply given as the source for the major shareholders. DHooke1973 (talk) 12:39, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Denis Compton

Hello. This former Arsenal player has a teeny-weeny section about football in his Wikipedia biography. Perhaps some of you Gooners would like to expand it? --Dweller (talk) 14:12, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

Coquelin

Arsenal's first team squad now includes Francis Coquelin — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.158.126.128 (talk) 00:52, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

Coquelin is now listed in the first team on arsenal.com. eminabe53 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eminabe53 (talk • contribs) 14:44, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

Thierry Henry Loan?

What is the situation with the loan move for Thierry Henry? The wiki page about him says that he has been loaned to Arsenal for 2 months, yet there is no mention of it on this page, nor is he included in the squad on the official Arsenal website (although that site is not too trustworthy because according to it Frimpong is part of the team and is not on loan, despite playing against Chelsea for Wolves earlier today) What is needed to confirm that he is part of the club? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wellingooner (talk • contribs) 21:54, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Don't use Wikipedia as a source. The last I read in the news was that the Arsenal and the MLS were in discussions. (The MLS holds all player contracts, not the individual clubs or teams). --Walter Görlitz (talk) 01:29, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

There is a leaked photo of Henry in a current Arsenal kit, so it seems like a done deal. If anyone is telling you that it's Henry's head photoshopped onto Gervinho's body, they are idiots. Look at the tattoo. http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/01/02/article-2081232-0F516B7600000578-155_468x286.jpg — Preceding unsigned comment added by 175.38.229.199 (talk) 08:03, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

As an Arsenal fan who lives in Leeds I can confirm that my new neighbours have noted the presence in our team of one Thierry Henry! LOL. --Jim Hardie (talk) 11:55, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Photo is inconclusive (and is an old photo) and neighbours are not a reliable source. When we see a press announcement that the transfer is complete, the information can be completed. There are many reasons that Henry could be practising with the team or even in the area none of which mean that the transfer has concluded. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 15:20, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Eh? The deal was completed days ago and Henry has played since. And the image is from the match he played, it was taken on 9 January, so it's certainly not an old one (or are you referring to this photo?). Besides, I think Jim's comment was meant in mere jest. Mattythewhite (talk) 15:36, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Squad table format

A discussion is being held here on the possibility of rolling out a new squad template. The new template, named {{football squad player2}}, differs from the standard squad layout in several ways:

• It features a sort function
• Comes in a single column format that can be understood by screen readers.
  • Single column format ensures that low resolution browsers, including mobile devices, do not get part or all of the second column cut off.
  • Single column format ensures less clutter, particularly at lower resolutions, for wide sections such as the Arsenal loan section.
• It gives nationality its own column; at present flags are featured in a blank, untitled column
• It complies with Wikipedia's guidance on flag usage.
• It leaves enough space to add images of current players, an example of which can be seen at Watford F.C#Current squad.

It is proposed that the new template be added to some of Wikipedia's most high-profile club articles, which might include Arsenal F.C.. To give your thoughts, please read and contribute to the discussion at WikiProject Football.

Regards, —WFC— 00:47, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

The football project is suggesting that all rosters move to that format. See WikiProject Football/Archive 62#Roster format. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:15, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Gavin Hoyte

gavin hoyte now on loan at AFC wimbledon, put it in here! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.219.72.207 (talk) 22:37, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 10 March 2012

Please update the link for Sean McDermott to his Wikipedia page, as below:

|- class="vcard agent" | style="text-align: center" | — | style="text-align: center" | GK | style="padding-right:15px;" | EIR | style="padding-right:15px;" | Sean McDermott

17_JN (user) - Here is the reference to the Sean McDermott move. http://www.arsenal.com/news/reserves-news/sean-mcdermott-joins-leeds-united-on-loan — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.19.138.210 (talk) 20:31, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Lufc83 (talk) 15:16, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

 Done --Walter Görlitz (talk) 16:33, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Sean McDermott Loan Move Reference

http://www.arsenal.com/news/reserves-news/sean-mcdermott-joins-leeds-united-on-loan

17_JN (User) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.19.138.210 (talk) 20:40, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Official club Mascot

Noticed there is a redirection of "Gunnersaurus Rex" to Arsenal F.C. Which i believe is the official mascot for the club. Can this information be added to the Arsenal F.c page ? --Killerserv^Talk 08:39, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Mercantile Credit Centenary Trophy

You won it but it's not on your list of domestic trophies. Probably no-one cares, but in case it's simply slipped through the net as it's a bit obscure.... danno 18:07, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Several Reserve Players have been released / Loans have ended

Several players from the 'Reserve' Team are not to be given new contracts when their deals expire at the end of next month. The likes of Gavin Hoyte, George-Brislen Hall & Sean McDermott will be released.

Also serveal loanees will have returned to the club now after their respective loan deals such as Ryo Miyachi, Benik Afobe, Henry Lansbury and Vito Mannone as the football season has finished; in the Premier League and Championship anyway.

Here's the confirmed source from Arsenal.com http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/arsenal-release-seven-players

Kyle Bartley

His loan at Rangers is over and he should now be back in the Arsenal squad but this is not the case here? He's not even in the reserve squad? I mean fringe players like Ryo and Frimpong have been included so why not Bartley?

Loan Deals

Could the loans of Andrei Arshavin from Zenit, Joel Campbell from Lorient, Denilson from Sao Paolo and Carlos Vela from Sociebad be taken off now, domestic seasons in Europe at least have finished.

Brazil's campaign however might still be on going, unsure. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.19.138.210 (talk) 22:53, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Edit request - New Away Kit

Hey guys,

Looks like the new away kit has been launched! I'd update the page myself but don't have the required skills. If anyone could change the away kit on the front page to the one below that would be great.

http://www.arsenaldigitalcatalogues.com/away-kit-2012-13_aak396/

Looks great too! Pereirab04 (talk) 23:18, 11 July 2012 (UTC)