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Duplicated section

The "Prayer and reading of the Qur'an" section shows up twice, this is a minor issue, but I don't know how to fix it. Also there is a reference to Muhammad that says: "...Quran was sent down to Muhammad (peace be upon him)" and I wonder if the "(peace be upon him)" belongs in the context of a wikipedia article? Just minor things. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Codeles (talk • contribs) 13:21, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

When?

thia is not ot much of a probelmThis page doesn't mention when Ramadan is, or where one can look to find out.

Try reading the first line of the article. It clearly tells you that Ramadan takes place in the month of Ramadan and links you to an article about that month, i.e Ramadan (calendar month), which explains in detail all you could ever want to know. 86.144.147.182 (talk) 23:22, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That's clear once it's explained, but I must admit that when I read the article I wondered how I could find out the dates for a given year. Could perhaps an explanation be added {e.g. "Ramadan is an Islamic religious observance that takes place during the ninth month of the Islamic calendar... In the western calendar, the dates [with link to relevant part of the article on the Isalmic calendar] of Ramadan vary, moving forward about 10 days each year..." (or something like that)}? Just a thought. Ondewelle (talk) 22:42, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks to ecjmartin for the addition. :-) Ondewelle (talk) 19:16, 20 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
You're welcome! Glad to help!! - Ecjmartin (talk) 19:46, 20 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Another query:

In the article, it mentions the prophet Muhammed and after each use there is the phrase "Peace be upon him (PBUH)".

FROM THE WIKI ARTICLE: Peace be upon him:

"Peace be upon him is a phrase that Muslims often say after saying (or hearing) the name of a prophet of Islam..."

Surely this is not needed in an encyclopedic article as the author of the encylcopedia is not deemed to be Islamic. I suggest the deletion of the PBUH after each mention of the prophets' name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.147.235.92 (talk) 12:21, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Just becase one is not a Muslim doesnt give them the right to be insulting. The PBUH is a blessing. If Muslims say it and because they will be the ones that read this most of all I think this should stay. Please. The only way muslims will respect you and your beliefs is if you respect them and their beliefs. You've already seen the results of ignoring this. Zero (talk) 17:24, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

So what about respecting the fact that a lot of people do not regard Muhamad as a prophet ? Respect has to be two ways, and Wikipedia should remain neutral ground, don't you think ? --Donvinzk (talk) 18:26, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Besides we also say Alay-he Salam (Sorry if its written wrong. Its hard to write Arabic in English) after uttering the names of Hazrat Isa (Jesus), Musa (Moses), Ibrahim (Abraham) and all the other Prophets that came before. It means roughly the same thing I think. A Blessing. If we can show our respect for them then you should show respect for ours. Zero (talk) 17:29, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:MOSISLAM [Manual of Style (Islam-related articles)] explains the standards for Wikipedia dealing with Islamic patterns of blessing persons & cetera... ناهد/(Nåhed) speak! 21:21, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Very well then. I was just suggesting this. Your decision. If the Holy Prophet could endure the other Quraish twisting his name then I can endure this. Just be aware that others might not take this so kindly. Even though I urge them to ignore this. Zero (talk) 05:03, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Zero, what you are asking for is absurd. I'm a Muslim and I have to ask you, if someone wrote a perfect sirah of the Prophet(saw) but didn't use honorifics in their book, would you then tell people to not read it? If you did, I would say you are in the wrong. In the same way Holy Prophet(saw) could endure abuse, the "others" you mention should learn to cool themselves, especially on such petty grounds such as this. WWHPD.76.27.195.4 (talk) 01:25, 2 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Mess

Parts of this article is a mess. Someone with more knowledge of Ramadan than me should take a look. For instance, you can find sentences like this: Before the Fasts of Holy Ramadan were made obligatory by Allah Almighty, Holy Prophet PBUH used to fast on 10th of Moharram, as on this Date Pharaoh drowned in the Sea,but after the revelation from Allah Almighty, Holy Prophet PBUH left the Fast of 10th Muharram and started Fasting during the Month of Ramadan and asked his followers to observe fast during the Holy Month. I have deleted a big chunk of text copied directly from a copyrighted site, and removed som PBUH's. Ramskjell (talk) 12:29, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

GOOD EDITS. I read this article and found it informative and (as and atheist) not proselytizing. However, there are studies that show weight gain during Ramadan in some communities (Maghreb). I will try to find this interesting item and any others like it, to include. 98.218.149.74 (talk) 15:06, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for removing all those 'PBUH's. With all due respect to the Muslim writers, if I write about Jesus I don't think the reader wants to see a big 'PRAISE JESUS!' every time I mention his name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.102.24.106 (talk) 23:46, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This article is a mess - agree - and needs to be cleaned up!--Cladding (talk) 09:11, 20 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

However, there are studies that show weight gain during Ramadan in some communities (Maghreb). I will try to find this interesting item and any others like it, to include. Well, has there any one told you that Ramadan was made for entering a modeling pagent? look, the purpose of Ramadan is the equality between rich and poor people, patience, feeling what others feel, solidarity and many other things. When you end your fast it's up to you whether you eat healthy food or junk food. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.208.82.97 (talk) 17:30, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Peace of Ramadan

It is told that in the Month of Ramadan. Muslims are forbidden from fighting. Muslims Armies that were on march used to make camp and move not one step further untill Ramadan was over. The only exception to this rule is when muslims are attacked during this month. Since they are devoted to peace during this month and attacking them causes disruption of that peace, The Muslims are commanded to only fight in case someone attacks them in this holy month. I cant quite remember the verse No. that says this. Can any body else do so. If the verse is found. Please add this information to the Article. For I remember it stated that the Muslims are commanded that if they are attacked during this month they must retaliate with full force to discourage further attempts. However, some of the terrorist muslims have forgotten this and so they continue fighting during this holy month. This is a grave sin. Please. Find the verse. Add this info. Everyone must be warned. The Muslims so that they may stop and The Non Muslims so that they may respect our way of life and not attack us during this holy month, the results could be devastating. This Command of Peace is the Reason Pakistani Government is offering Cease Fire to the Militants in Swat. Zero (talk) 17:24, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Pagan Origin of Ramadan

I wonder if its important to note the pagan origin of Ramadan, which is a pre-Islamic festival. I believe it mentions this in the Koran, that Ramadan was an ancient time of peace - also many Islamic scholars allude to the pagan origin. I think if we mention the pagan origin of Christmas or Easter, I think by rights it necessary. We need to fair and equal to all religions, as they are all of the same value - and as an athiest I see it important to show that all religions aren't God-inspired, but socio-politically and culturally inspired, and are formedthrough syncretism. User:Madkafir —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.2.175.117 (talk) 13:35, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have never heard of there being a pagan origin for "Ramadan". Ramadan is the name of the month and existed before Islam, as opposed to Christmas and Easter which are *holidays* derived from pagan festivals. Fasting during Ramadan was mandated by Muhammad. Inf fg (talk) 14:50, 5 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Forced on Muslims by criminal law

This article portrays well the self-improvement ideas of Ramadan. However, it fails to state that observance is forced, and that in many countries, anyone who does not obey (for example, if you drink water during the day) may be severely beaten and/or imprisoned by police. Certainly no one would argue with its 'spirituality' if it were solely a voluntary personal effort. Unfortunately, it is not. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.102.24.106 (talk) 23:43, 2 September 2008 (UTC) Yes sadly it happens. Ramadan is the best time to get in touch with God. To do this one must accept it from the bottom of his/her heart not having it forced onto them. And yet the extremists still do this and other cases similar to this. My God punish them! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.67.253.203 (talk) 21:28, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, no body would be beaten nor imprisoned by government in an Islamic country if he/she committed the crime of eating and/or drinking during a Ramadan day unless such a thing happened in public. It's all about demonstrating respect to God's orders, the sacred month and other Muslims feelings as they would be fasting hoping to be rewarded by God who ordered and obligated them to fast on that day. Possibly, if someone would suddenly appear on road devouring a piece of donut in Ramadan before sunset just because of his/her inability to accept to fast from the bottom of his/her little tender heart, then a person like this may be punished and blamed by civilian individuals before the arrival of police. Ramadan is the best time to get in touch with God. As for this reason, it is the best opportunity to obey him and fast so that he may forgive us and eliminate all our evil sins. Otherwise, we would be causing the increase of his anger, as instead of getting more in touch with him we show disrespect and mockery with Islamic rituals in Islamic countries 195.229.241.171 (talk) 17:17, 30 September 2008 (UTC).[reply]

My.... do you see any difference between encyclopedic neutral description and religious speech? "It happens that the people who don't follow the fasting rules may be severely beaten and/or imprisoned by police or lynched by the mob". End of story. The sort of your explanation about the heart and being in touch - it's only your opinion. Let's keep cold and neutral here. Merewyn (talk) 10:35, 8 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Merewyn, this is a talkpage, not an article. Please allow people to express themselves as they like.
As to the subject at hand. If this can be sourced, then we should have it in the article. Anybody here who can come up with something? Debresser (talk) 10:40, 8 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Undue weight

I added an undue weight tag to the section concerning a single instance of controversy in a US school. If there is evidence for this being a widespread issue, then it can probably stay but if this is the only instance, it's a bit out of place given this is an article on a rather core issue of the Islamic faith. It would probably be better suited for an article on religious freedoms in the US or something of that sort Nil Einne (talk) 10:28, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ramadan Events- Please note that the surah revealed on Layla-a-tul-Qadr is Al-Alaq, 96:1-19, where the Angel Gabriel asked the prophet to read in the name of Allah, and the prophet replied that he could not. Surah Qadr talks about this night, but was not revealed on this night. Source: quaranexplorer.com. I am not sure about the other surah, but I think it's wrong. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Interestedparty5 (talk • contribs) 19:17, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Expansion request - Health impact

Two questions:

Question one - What level of participation is expected and generally received of the ill and infirm in various parts of the Islamic world and what differences exist between Sunni & Shi'ia practices when fasting? http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/27/AR2008092702592_pf.html implies that such differences exist, but doesn't go into depth.
Question two - What impact if any does this have on the health of the population at large and hospital admission rates, be it negative or be it positive?

Just curious, MrZaiustalk 07:05, 25 September 2008 (UTC) Questions updated, MrZaiustalk 10:26, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know the answer to your first question but as for the second, if a person starts to have health problems they are to break the Fast. The purpose of the Fast is not to put people into hardship. Dumaka (talk) 16:36, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
1st Q: just the same. it only differs from country to country on the basis of religious culture and not by the islamic practices in itself (i.e: some societies find it O.K. while others don't)
2nd Q: the islamic world is a pretty shitty place that lives in the middle ages so don't expect any fancy statistics to be around.--7amada'sback:) (talk) 11:23, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Spelling Change Of This Page

Please move this page to a correctly spelled page.

I, along with many Muslims who want Arabic words to be pronounced correctly, would greatly appreciate it if this page was moved to another page called Ramadaan. Soleado (talk) 21:26, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree. The spelling without letter doubling is far more often used in English. The lead clearly writes the word in Arabic with a clear transliteration pointing out the classically long vowel. — Gareth Hughes (talk) 20:41, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Disagree, I've never ever seen anyone spell it "Ramadaan" before. ناهد/(Nåhed) speak! 21:23, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I've seen it a little, but still disagree. See WP's guidelines on Arabic usage (esp. regarding primary transliterations) at WP:MOS-AR. /Ninly (talk) 21:25, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ramadan in space, polar regions

Dear all After the intense discussion about the first muslim in space during ramadan, I have checked many websites how he handled the prayer times. Sadly I found differnent answers, one said he did not have to fasten because he is on a journey, other said that he should use the times of makkah and some were claiming that he saw the moon in differnt shapes--> so no fasting. Interestingly is that similar questions and answers are discussed in the case of muslims living in the polar regions. Can anyone find reliable answers and sources? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.147.121.244 (talk) 22:02, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

How many muslims live in polar regions? Not so many. Therefore this question is not so important. If you live in polar regions and want to Ramadan, then pick the nearest muslim country and adjust your watch to that countries time. Or better, come to where it's not so lousy cold. --92.74.31.46 (talk) 15:08, 8 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
There are quite a few muslims living in the Nordic countries, where the sun sets for a pretty short while in the summer. So when Ramadan falls in the summer, there will be practical problems, having to stay up late or wake up very early if one wants to eat only after sunset and before dawn. TorLillqvist (talk) 09:59, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Read this article [1] saying that after hotly debating this issue, and asking Mecca, they (in Tromsø) decided to follow Mecca sunrise/sunset when they have none.--BIL (talk) 19:41, 1 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ramadan 2009

This entry was recently cleaned up. As Ramadan approaches yet again it will be flooded with amendments, additions and external links of a commercial nature. I have tweaked a few phrases for grammar and included viable sourced citations for already existing copy. I have also removed recently added links to Ramadan timetables. The External Links section was removed recently so there is no viable location for such links and they don't really belong in an encyclopeadic entry. If people want to find timetables, they will on Google, no doubt.

The page still needs work with layout and general grammar improvements as well as some of the statements still needing viable sources (reputable outlets, news mediums, journals, books and religious texts) and sections needing expanding or moving around a little as some of it gets a little repetitive. I will work on that as I can.

I will also try and keep an eye on this page as are others, to ensure it remains neutral, up-to-date and non-vandalised. Your viewpoints will assist. thanks. UK 007 (talk) 11:32, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The new additions and random edits by unregistered users are coming in thick and fast now that Ramadan has begun. This entry is okay in term sof contacts but could be neatened up and expanded on in areas. It definitely needs to be edited to sound more like an encyclopedia entry as suggested. The content however is so far compact and largely fact based, though some citations are still needed. Will try and work on language of entry. UK 007 (talk) 10:47, 21 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Could someone fix the large blank gaps left by image insertion please? Thanks. UK 007 (talk) 10:53, 24 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ramadan 1980

Hello, I am wondering in which day/month did ramadan start in the year 1980. Any help with this is highly appreciated. Thanks for responding. --66.186.34.211 (talk) 13:27, 4 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ramadan's first day is usually disputed among Islamic countries. if you want an approx. date just add 11 days for every year from now to 1980 and you will get you date --7amada'sback:) (talk) 11:24, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

God or Allah?

(God is not the correct translation of ALLAH)

I note that an IP user has changed all instances of the word God in the article to Allah. While my understanding is that it's technically accurate, is it acceptable usage? My concern, especially considering some of the anti-Muslim sentiment in the US, is that it might be seen as bias in violation of WP:NPOV. My first impulse is to revert all such changes, but I want to gain consensus first. Alan (talk) 13:46, 20 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Allah is the Muslim name for God. This is an article concerning a holy month in the Muslim faith. It uses the appropriate term as defined in the Qu'ran. To me, it would be POV to put God, just to appease any anti-Muslim feeling, irrespective of where it originates. -- Александр Дмитрий (Alexandr Dmitri) (talk) 13:54, 20 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
That's the information I was looking for. I'll leave the article as it stands. Alan (talk) 14:32, 20 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Allah is not the Muslim name for God - it is the Arabic name for God. Even Christian speakers of Arabic use the name Allah when referring to God. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.57.132.91 (talk) 02:24, 1 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ramadan 2010

This entry goes untouched most of the year and then gets attacked annually around Ramadan time by people plugging all kinds of commercial Ramadan services, personal religious article blogs and websites. I suggest all acts of vandalism or cheap promotional publicity attempts by immediately removed and reverted, especially if users and guests fiddle with the main verified and reliable sources of this article which have been in good standing for the last few years and replace them with an near identical source confirmation but on a personal or less verifiable source site.

I've just re-instated a long-term BBC link which verifies information in the first paragraph but for some reason was replaced with someone's personal page in the last two days. 94.14.70.76 (talk) 02:18, 4 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Hi, I've just cleaned up a few random recent links which are appearing purely to promote e-boosk and websites but don't add anything new or aren't aources well. External links are creeping in as references too. Will keep a watch UK 007 (talk) 09:42, 9 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Cultural aspects of Ramadan

There are a lot of Cultural aspects of Ramadan not mentioned in the article. I'll list sources about them that I find while surfing the internet:

  1. Ramadan series fever A lot of TV shows broadcast in ramadan.

Anyone who has any more links please add them.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 07:52, 12 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Removed "Also" section

Text removed:

The political and military implications of Ramadan are often ignored, due to the fact that the holiday leads up to the celebration of the Battle of Badr of March 17, 624 when Mohammed scored his first military victory by defeating the Quraysh tribe that had rejected his claim to be a Prophet. From this first victory, Islam gained the resources and religious fervor that would sweep the Arabian peninsula, eventually spreading into Asia, Africa and Europe.

If anyone can see the relevance of this to the article, could they at least reword it to make plain how it helps and cite it. As it stands it's just obscure and unintegrated. JohnHarris (talk) 18:10, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Fasting question

I understand Ramadan requires fasting from sunrise to sunset. But does it make any requirement on breaking fast? Is it required to start eating/drinking immediately at sunset? -- AvatarMN (talk) 02:08, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The start of Ramadan

This material really needs to be fleshed out more. A pretty good definition is given, followed by a nod to the controversy surrounding it. But the BBC article:

BBC - Religions - Islam: Ramadan

gives much more in-depth information surrounding the nuances of this controversy. Perhaps we can get someone with more familiarity on this subject to expound on this a bit more (with some good citations, as well). Thanks in advance!! WDavis1911 (talk) 04:14, 10 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I removed the portion containing Prophet (p) and replaced it with prophet, this is not something that should be listed in an online encyclopedia. --Wes —Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.164.171.198 (talk) 07:01, 27 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Possible Vandalism in Intro?

Hey, I don't do much editing on wikis, so I wouldn't know how to tag this, but I do believe that someone vandalised the introduction to Ramadan, specifically after the reference to footnotes 3 and 4. At the very least, it's poorly written, and uncited. 70.51.168.155 (talk) 23:14, 5 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Don't forget that it sounds like the Pastafarian holiday of Ramendan! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.139.158.156 (talk) 07:18, 2 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ramadan among immigrants to North

There are large muslim communities in the northern countries, like Sweden or Norway. How do they celebrate Ramadan when it happens in the summer and the sunset is at 11 pm, with sunrise already at 1 am? Do they REALLY don't eat or drink for 22 hours?? There must be some alternative solutions for them and it must be explained in the Encyclopedia. Similarly, for the winter time with extremely short days, traditionally considered Ramadan becomes just a break between breakfast and lunch. What then? Merewyn (talk) 17:13, 2 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

@Merewyn, It sounds harsh, but they must fast even for 22 hours if its possible. But around these time they have the summer vacation like many countries. Thus some of them are having the Ramadan abroud. But many stay in the Northern countries and fast there. Conclusion: They must have ALOT of patience and willpower :) Ore they can use the Meccan times. Wich will ease their fasting. 86.80.208.136 (talk) 12:33, 18 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

"Ramadan FAQ"?

How can this be a quoted source for anything? Why don't I create a Ramadan Fan Page and we can quote that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.140.50.123 (talk) 03:53, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Daylight Hours

The phrase "daylight hours" seems simple enough but having been in Egypt during the Ramadan just finished, I heard several different interpretations of what that means. I am confused and came here for clarification - but found none.

Relatedly, how would a Muslim cope above the Arctic Circle if Ramadan fell during winter? Tesspub (talk) 09:57, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

2:185 quote

salamlaykum.

What do you think of replacing the current English trans. of sura 2:185 in this article with Yusuf Ali's?

YUSUFALI: Ramadhan is the (month) in which was sent down the Qur'an, as a guide to mankind, also clear (Signs) for guidance and judgment (Between right and wrong). So every one of you who is present (at his home) during that month should spend it in fasting, but if any one is ill, or on a journey, the prescribed period (Should be made up) by days later. Allah intends every facility for you; He does not want to put to difficulties. (He wants you) to complete the prescribed period, and to glorify Him in that He has guided you; and perchance ye shall be grateful.

or even the Sahil International trans.:

The month of Ramadhan [is that] in which was revealed the Qur'an, a guidance for the people and clear proofs of guidance and criterion. So whoever sights [the new moon of] the month, let him fast it; and whoever is ill or on a journey - then an equal number of other days. Allah intends for you ease and does not intend for you hardship and [wants] for you to complete the period and to glorify Allah for that [to] which He has guided you; and perhaps you will be grateful.

(source: http://quran.com/2/185)

If not, then at least replace the word God with Allah. The former has different meanings in English and should not be used. God does not have a strict monotheistic meaning in the English vernacular like Allah does. 

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.84.68.252 (talk) 00:37, 15 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Strange, that there are so diverse translations of one and the same verse. These two translations say different things! Secondly, although the word "God" in itself is not necessarily monotheistic in English, in this article it obviously refers to "God" as understood in Islam, so there is no ambiguity. Debresser (talk) 13:35, 16 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Recent edits

Recent edits by BuckLava (talk · contribs) and/or/who is maybe an IP user are not up to Wikipedia standards: 1. they use capitals in the middle of sentences 2. they use all kinds of additions like "blessed be his name" 3. they seems to be interested more in bringing the reader to be a Ramadan keeping Muslim rather than give neutral information.

I know that it is about a month to the beginning of the Ramadan, and I am afraid we are going to see more of this the coming time. So please, editors, be alert here. Debresser (talk) 23:02, 11 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"Wikipedia's goal is to compile the sum of all human knowledge into a Web-based, free content encyclopedia." :)

Response to posting by Debresser (talk) 23:02, 11 July 2012 (UTC):

Mr. Debresser, being that you are a four-year veteran perhaps it has been quite some time since you felt any need to review the guidelines for talk pages and the goal of Wikipedia. This is understandable. Therefore, I encourage you to take a quick moment to compare your approach towards me with the Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines, so that you can be a bit more merciful when others contribute sources that you personally may not like, but in no way conflict with anyone's Wikipedia:Contributing to Wikipedia... especially for someone like myself who is new here (just a few days old).

Thus, even for a few-days-old rookies -- like myself -- to Wikipedia, the two links above are easy enough to abide by.

Nobody's perfect, and so, just as mistakes are inherent in life, so too are they on here, and so, of course, I will not hold it against you.

Regards,

BuckLava — Preceding unsigned comment added by BuckLava (talk • contribs) 09:04, 14 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for not holding anything against me. But unencyclopedical edits will be reverted nevertheless. Debresser (talk) 18:44, 14 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I may add that your edits today were good edits, in the sense of "encyclopediality". Also, I appreciate your addition of sources.

Section on health effects: POV?

The section on Health effects only mentions positive effects of fasting. I suppose there must be megative effects as well. For example, Even wikiislam.net gives a long list of negative effects: [2] . Is there anyone with more expertise in this area who could find reliable sources and try to make it more neutral? 94.103.219.216 (talk) 17:35, 21 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Wikiislam is an extremely biased anti-Islam source with no scientific backings and should NOT be used as a reference for anything. The section on the health effects of Ramadan cite legitimate scientific studies, so any negative effects of the Ramadan fast should be cited with legitimate scientific studies. SOW93 (talk) 08:17, 22 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding the "Origin of Ramadan section"

If one percent of the planet disputes something or offers one "research" opinion, does this merit it having a section on a page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by BuckLava (talk • contribs) 23:49, 21 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It definitely shouldn't. And having seen/read the sources used for that section, I see that one source is vague while the other source is clearly biased (written by someone trying to entice Muslims to leave Islam). The second source (referenced as source #27) also makes no sense. It attributes Ramadan to "pagan" origins without offering proof, while calling Sabians (a monotheistic group) "pagans" which in and of itself shows the author's lack of knowledge on this subject. Furthermore, the entire section itself makes no sense. "Ramadan was observed by the pagan Arabs" (paraphrasing)? Of course it was. Ramadan is the 9th lunar month. Obviously the pagan Arabs observed a 9th lunar month. I propose deletion for this section on the grounds of nonsensical suggestions made in the section and on the grounds of a lack of (legitimate) sources for the section. SOW93 (talk) 08:15, 22 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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